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Russia's actions have forced Finland to end decades of military neutrality, and Sweden is likely to follow. Because Russia has made one thing abundantly clear: if you're close to it, and you're not a NATO member, they will seize your territory by force. As they have done three times in the last 15 years.

NATO had been losing its raison d'etre, fading in importance in the minds of European countries. Their defence spending had slowed its growth, and NATO deployments to the East had wound down. Until it was given obvious urgency by a renewed threat--- resulting in the largest expansion the bloc has seen in decades.

Opponents of NATO expansion should be fucking livid at Russia.

On a side note, let's not forget that in 1939, the USSR unilaterally invaded Finland. The pretext for it was self defence (against a country that had hitherto never attacked the USSR), and its often believed that the true aim was annexation. The USSR went on to lose over 3 times as many men as the defending Finnish, resulting in a worldwide hit to its military credibility. Nonetheless, Russia still holds almost all the territory it seized.

Huh, sounds familiar somehow... anyway.

(Finland then entered into a military alliance with Nazi Germany to reclaim its lost territory-- who'd have thought that invasion and annexation by a foreign empire would actually foment the far right, rather than destroy it! Though even then, it did not actually declare war on the USSR until the USSR yet again bombed Finland first. And finally, they joined a military alliance with the USSR against Nazi Germany. Storied history which makes the prior military neutrality clear and contextual).
 

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On a side note, let's not forget that in 1939, the USSR unilaterally invaded Finland. The pretext for it was self defence (against a country that had hitherto never attacked the USSR), and its often believed that the true aim was annexation. The USSR went on to lose over 3 times as many men as the defending Finnish, resulting in a worldwide hit to its military credibility. Nonetheless, Russia still holds almost all the territory it seized.
Everyone Gangsta still the forests start speaking Finnish.

I don't have anything to add, really. You summed it up nicely.
 

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I legit can't tell if this satire or serious, because Russia is fucking wierd sometimes.

The pikachu thing has me giggling like a schoolgirl.
What absolute nonsense.

...everyone knows Arceus is our lord and savior!
 
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I legit can't tell if this satire or serious, because Russia is fucking wierd sometimes.

The pikachu thing has me giggling like a schoolgirl.
According to The Times, its a satirical video from an outfit in Volgograd.

They made it in response to a real Russian government ad that warned people of the "dangers" of gay people adopting kids, by depicting a gay dad handing his son a purple dress.

Fascistic shitheels.
 

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Apparently whether or not depleted uranium dust causes various ailments for years after its introduction to a region is now settled science based on the desire of the UK to provide depleted uranium munitions to Ukraine.

Russia's actions have forced Finland
nonsense

opponents of NATO-- and NATO members, NATO proponents, anyone with a brain and a conscience-- should be livid at NATO, principally the US and UK and their military industrial complexes (and their subservient political and media complexes), for deliberately provoking crises in order to weaken whoever they consider a target at the expense of anyone unfortunate enough to be nearby.
 

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(against a country that had hitherto never attacked the USSR),
That isn't really true. Back in 1920s after the Finnish civil war group of Finnish volunteers with the blessing of the Finnish government went to Soviet Union East Karelia and joined local rebellions in an attempt to annex parts of East Karelia and create Greater Finland. That's one of the forgotten chapters of Finnish Soviet/Russian relations. Greater Finland idea was still strong during the Continuation war and was a big reason why Finland wasn't just happy to get back what was lost during the Winter War.
 

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nonsense

opponents of NATO-- and NATO members, NATO proponents, anyone with a brain and a conscience-- should be livid at NATO, principally the US and UK and their military industrial complexes (and their subservient political and media complexes), for deliberately provoking crises in order to weaken whoever they consider a target at the expense of anyone unfortunate enough to be nearby.
Russia was the sole party to choose to invade. Nobody attacked Russia or infringed its legal territory in any way. And its military, economy, and international standing would all be in much greater form had they not invaded and annexed their neighbour. This is all inescapably true, and renders any narrative about Russia being the victim here ridiculous.
 

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Lmao, threatened them how? Told them they couldn't hijack other country's national sovereignty?
Basically, yes, that's the idea.

Ukraine is allowed sovereignty only within the boundaries of Russian permission, anything other is aggression against Russia. Russia has full rights of approval of any and all dealings that the West has with Ukraine; failing to seek Russian approval is aggression against Russia. Any support of democracy and liberalism within Ukraine is aggression against Russia. If Ukrainians ask for closer economic links with the EU, the EU must refuse in order to avoid aggression against Russia. Any attempt by Ukrainians to vote in a leader that is not approved by Russia is aggression against Russia.

Russia reserves the right to resist any aggression against itself by the reasonable and proportional measure of invading Ukraine, in which case any Ukrainian self-defence, or support of Ukrainian self-defence, is further aggression against Russia.
 

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Lmao, threatened them how? Told them they couldn't hijack other country's national sovereignty?
Well, we know what the specious line will be: that Euromaidan was aggression against Russia because it was wholly a Western effort (with Nazis) to oust a Russia-friendly head of state.

Ignoring the facts that both foreign involvement and Nazi involvement were both more prominent on the anti-Maidan side. And that said HOS was pursuing a deeply unpopular policy direction, in direct opposition to his own promises. And that said POS's own advisors were saying Ukraine should be dismantled.
 
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