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some examples of the misinformation I was referring to earlier:

The "Ukrainian girl" is Ahed Tamimi. In Israel. Staring down an Israeli soldier. Years ago.
The third tweet contains footage from the video game Arma 3 presented as if real.
 

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Russia's choices and actions are their own responsibilities. At literally any moment, they could unilaterally deescalate this entire crisis by withdrawing their troops from Ukraine's sovereign territory.

Only one nation has made nuclear threats and announced their intentions ready their nuclear weapons "with their fingers on the buttons". Funnily enough, it's the one you refuse to criticize for some reason.

hope you're all happy
Yes, if we'd all just bowed down to daddy Putin like you from the beginning, maybe he'd have graced us with only a little imperialism. Such a generous authoritarian right-wing dictator, he is. Do all "true" leftists act identically to fascist bootlickers or is that just a you thing?
 

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That island outpost actually surrendered without a fight despite Zelensky eulogizing them on TV. There's lots of misinformation floating around out there; hard to tell how much progress the Russians have made, how serious are there casualties really, and so forth. Ukraine has an incentive to exaggerate Russian losses for morale purposes. And invent legends of heroic resistance where they didn't occur. Best not to take it at face value. Russia... as far as I know hasn't been saying much about their military progress or lack thereof, so that's not a good source of information either. Because it's not even a source of information.
...so, they didn't say that? It was a fake recording?
 
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some examples of the misinformation I was referring to earlier:

The "Ukrainian girl" is Ahed Tamimi. In Israel. Staring down an Israeli soldier. Years ago.
The third tweet contains footage from the video game Arma 3 presented as if real.
And some of the misinformation you claim Russia isn't doing at all.
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The disinformation circulates in pro-Russian groups on the messaging service Telegram and is then relayed by state and pro-Kremlin media organisations. Over the past few days, Russian state media has insisted that Putin has ordered troops on a “peacekeeping” mission into eastern Ukraine to prevent what the Russian leader has called a “genocide” of Russian-speakers by the government in Kyiv.

‘Lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy’ editing
The fake videos and images though have not escaped the attention of fact-checkers on the lookout for Russian disinformation on the Internet.



The video of soldiers "speaking Polish" and trying to sabotage Russian tanks was dissected to reveal a montage of video and audio pieces, according to Eliot Higgins, founder of Bellingcat, an Amsterdam -based investigative site that specialises in fact-checking and open-source intelligence. Some of the footage was shot in early February, while editors added footage and sound from a video shot during a Finnish military exercise in 2010.

Anatomy of a Russian Seperatist False Flag - On February 18th the Telegram channel of the press service of the People's Militia of the Donetsk People's Republic published the following video, claiming to show a sabotage operation targeting chlorine tankshttps://t.co/Syk8NG2zKx pic.twitter.com/R4mfggxbPg
— Eliot Higgins (@EliotHiggins) February 20, 2022
The image of an alleged Ukrainian armored vehicle supposedly advancing into Russian territory was also promptly and effectively debunked. The Soviet-era vehicle in the photo does not belong to the Ukrainian arsenal, according to investigators at Oryx, an open-source platform specialised in military equipment and technology. “They couldn’t even get that right," said the group in a Twitter post.

In today’s false flag operation Russia used a BTR-70M APC to depict a Ukrainian armoured vehicle.

Ukraine doesn’t operate the BTR-70M. They couldn’t even get that right.https://t.co/Y1vpAubKWW pic.twitter.com/7h2Boay3L2
— Oryx (@oryxspioenkop) February 21, 2022
Far more sensitive for investigators was a claim, supported by video by the FSB – one of Russia's main intelligence services – that a shell fired from Ukrainian territory destroyed a Russian outpost on the border on Monday.

The FSB video was examined by investigators at the Conflict Intelligence Team (CIT), a group of specialists in Russian military issues, and found to be suspect. "The closest Ukrainian positions” are located more than 37 kilometres from the impact zone, began a CIT Twitter thread. In a series of posts systematically debunking the claim, CIT noted that the only Ukrainian artillery systems that could fire at such a distance would have caused much heavier destruction than the lone damaged hut in the video.

“We find this 'incident' to be yet another in a string of poorly staged pretexts for a possible operation against Ukraine,” concluded CIT in a message posted on Tuesday.

Today, Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB, which handles Russia's border protection) announced that an unknown shell from the Ukrainian territory destroyed a border post 150 m from the border.

There is a problem with this allegation, though.
— CIT (en) (@CITeam_en) February 21, 2022
It was not the first time that fact-checkers have called out the efforts of pro-Russian propagandists in recent days. "Lazy, lazy, lazy, lazy,” taunted Aric Toler, a researcher at Bellingcat, who monitors "made in Kremlin" disinformation.
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And some of the misinformation you claim Russia isn't doing at all.
Not a single one of those is about Russia's progress (or lack thereof) into Ukraine, or their casualties.
 

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...so, they didn't say that? It was a fake recording?
They may have. But they're not dead and they apparently didn't actually resist beyond initial words.

What the fuck is wrong with you? Why would we be happy?
Because people keep cheering on or demanding escalation and this is the natural result.

Yes, if we'd all just bowed down to daddy Putin like you from the beginning, maybe he'd have graced us with only a little imperialism. Such a generous authoritarian right-wing dictator, he is. Do all "true" leftists act identically to fascist bootlickers or is that just a you thing?
Yeah, sure, NATO isn't an imperialist project. The fact it has been deliberately encircling Russia is of no consequence. It's all the fault of the spooky foreigner. Nevermind all the US foreign policy luminaries of various ideological stripes who have pointed their fingers at the United States and the expansion and encirclement by NATO of Russia from 1999 until now. The TV tells the seals to clap so you clap.
 

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They may have. But they're not dead and they apparently didn't actually resist beyond initial words.
According to the Russians, who also said they bussed them all home after making them pinky swear they weren't going to immediately rejoin the Ukrainian military, yeah.

So about that "don't believe everything you see" talking point.
 
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except that it's more like if Hitler had conquered Europe and then sanctioned the US for its occupation of Hawaii and the UK for its treatment of Ireland. And Australia for its treatment of the indigenous population of Australia. All while continuing the holocaust.
I was saying one persons crime does not justifify some one completely different's crimes. All these sanction talk is completely useless because I was NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PERSON.

If NATO does crimes (including sanctions), that doesn't mean Putin gets to do crimes. I'm going to say this again: It does NOT mean someone else gets to do crimes

Sorry for putting it an analogy which I assumed would make it easier for you to understand. I was clearly wrong about that.

Oh, of course Australia has its own entirely independent foreign policy. My mistake! Mea culpa.
Yeah, we get called the US and China's brown noser by the opposing sides. And are actually way to close to Modhi. We're used to it
 
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When I was in high school in 2014 mentioned we should sent MLRS rocket artillery into Ukraine, and someone argued no that would escalate it, I am pretty sure had Obama armed Ukraine instead of being a doormat to Putin, Ukraine could have more missiles. I also mentioned we should sent ar-15s to the Hong Kong protesters, and I was right again. Moral of the story Gen Z are peacenik morons who aren't welling to fund let alone fight for freedom or peace and should get neither.
 

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hope you're all happy
Heh, everyone except you is 100% against this war. You're the only one who has been spamming propaganda justifying the invasion and defending the world leader who is escalating the nuclear threat. So the real question is: are you happy?
 

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TYeah, sure, NATO isn't an imperialist project. The fact it has been deliberately encircling Russia is of no consequence. It's all the fault of the spooky foreigner. Nevermind all the US foreign policy luminaries of various ideological stripes who have pointed their fingers at the United States and the expansion and encirclement by NATO of Russia from 1999 until now. The TV tells the seals to clap so you clap.
You know, there really is something NATO could have done differently to prevent this war :

Letting Ukraine join.