Well the reasons why are obvious: people are stupid. Still, I find this to be such pointless issue since the pregnancy rate in the U.K. is decreasing anyway; these kids are doing us a favour by keeping the population up.
Underage pregnancy in the UK
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We want the population to go down if anything. The worlds full enough as it is, let alone if everyone has five babies each. Hell, I know three people who have eight or ten siblings.k-ossuburb said:
That makes little sense. So what the countries have different populations? Interestingly enough, Britain's landmass is 2.5% of the USA, yet it's population is 20% of the USA, meaning per square mile we massively outnumber you.Zac Smith said:
I couldn't find a page that said the rate of teen pregnancy in the US or UK? Someone link me
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OP: Erm, stupidity, laziness, and/or lack of responsibility, methinks.
If it's anything like Nevada here in the good ol' US of A, combination of poor education, a feeling of low self-esteem among teenage girls leading to them thinking that having a baby will give them a sense of purpose and direction in life, and plenty of idiot guys thinking "great, I don't have to use a rubber or pull out" (or worse, those same guys being told "It's ok, I'm on the Pill" when the girl is lying through her teeth---moral of the story, guys? Wrap it anyway unless you're SURE that you'd be OK with her getting knocked up.)
There's a better question that is rarely - if ever - asked in such discussions, and it is, why does Western society place such a dark and bitter cloud over what is a natural, instinctive urge and a natural process?
One could argue that there is a practical issue of how a baby born to young people with fewer means can become a greater burden on society. However, I personally believe that argument stems from the same piss-poor attitude that created the notion that sex is evil in the first place.
I'm not saying children aren't a big responsibility. They are. I am a dad. I know. What I am saying, from the point of view of someone who was born to a young mother, is that society's animosity toward young mothers and their children, and fear of sex, are the real problem. It's a back-assward attitude based on Puritan spite, and it doesn't help anything.
My mother was three days from seventeen when she had me. She worked hard to support me. I turned out a good kid. The hardest thing about it, and the biggest evil of the whole situation, was the outright hatred we were subjected to, from supposed "good Christians" just frothing at the mouth for a chance to judge and punish my mother, and myself by extension, by refusing her work, turning her down for credit, badmouthing her on the bus, snickering at her, shouting at her, and outright trying to take advantage of us both.
Having babies young can be an inconvenience, and even a hardship, but it's hardly an evil. It would be less of an inconvenience and less of a hardship on everyone, if society could get over the stigma of evil and wrongness it has applied to these situations, and just work at being human about it.
One could argue that there is a practical issue of how a baby born to young people with fewer means can become a greater burden on society. However, I personally believe that argument stems from the same piss-poor attitude that created the notion that sex is evil in the first place.
I'm not saying children aren't a big responsibility. They are. I am a dad. I know. What I am saying, from the point of view of someone who was born to a young mother, is that society's animosity toward young mothers and their children, and fear of sex, are the real problem. It's a back-assward attitude based on Puritan spite, and it doesn't help anything.
My mother was three days from seventeen when she had me. She worked hard to support me. I turned out a good kid. The hardest thing about it, and the biggest evil of the whole situation, was the outright hatred we were subjected to, from supposed "good Christians" just frothing at the mouth for a chance to judge and punish my mother, and myself by extension, by refusing her work, turning her down for credit, badmouthing her on the bus, snickering at her, shouting at her, and outright trying to take advantage of us both.
Having babies young can be an inconvenience, and even a hardship, but it's hardly an evil. It would be less of an inconvenience and less of a hardship on everyone, if society could get over the stigma of evil and wrongness it has applied to these situations, and just work at being human about it.
More the fact that it does become a burden on society, as these young parents are at least partially sustained by taxpayer appropriated funds. It's forced charity, in a fashion, and that will almost certainly breed contempt.bruunwald said:
Regarding opinions on sex, it's certainly improved lately. At the very least no one can claim ignorance on the matter, it is forced down our throats on a near daily basis.
I think the difference between your mother and the ones we bemoan here is the that magic word, 'work'. She had to make a living for herself and her offspring with little to no help. Nowadays, young parents can get all the help they need and more, theoretically at least. The fact that this comes out of the public purse is a point of contention for some.bruunwald said:
Their choice.
Maybe a very poor choice, but theirs nonetheless.
Or maybe they are just drunk and dumb.
Maybe a very poor choice, but theirs nonetheless.
Or maybe they are just drunk and dumb.
Because as much as we like to take the piss out of other countries for being full of morons we have the epitome of idiocy right here on our street corners on friday nights drinking cider in their track suits with their asses hanging out of their trousers.
I actually agree with you that the population should go down, what I meant was that these kids are keeping things stable since the overall population is declining. However, when I posted previously I had completely forgotten about immigration and migration/emigration as well as life expectancy which will boost or reduce a population significantly depending on positive or negative growth attributed to any one of those factors.Fallen-Angel Risen-Demon said:
Projections for the population of the UK indicate growth by 350,000 - 445,000 a year, adding 10 million people to reach 70.75 million in mid-2031 and rising to 77 million in 2050.The TFR (total fertility rate) varies from 1.84 to 1.92 children per woman during this period, and net inward migration ranges between 190,000 and 240,000 a year. It shows that without a change in population policy, our numbers could reach 85 million in 2081.
So, yes, a decrease in the population would be beneficial, if only to reduce the carbon footprint and reduce resource consumption.
I'm only really going by the statistics here, if there's any other information you can provide to me then I'd gladly change my mind. But yes, as I said, I totally agree with you about decreasing the population somehow.
I've heard that many girls are so desperate to be "loved" that perhaps they are lax with protection.
I've also heard that the free council house you get for a teen pregnancy is an incentive.
The fact of the matter is we need to FORCE responsibility on the males. If you screw up you fucking deal with it.
I've also heard that the free council house you get for a teen pregnancy is an incentive.
The fact of the matter is we need to FORCE responsibility on the males. If you screw up you fucking deal with it.
Oh yes, because the penis is evil and all these unfortunate girls are heroes for having taken it and beared with the consequences. You realise that's the same shit that the media spouts out here and is more the part of the problem than the solution.tomtom94 said:
It takes two to tango, and I certainly wouldn't put the blame solely on the male after most of these girls can't even remember the name of the father.
You mean it's not a stork?Senaro said:
Still, it's staggering that people are screwing so much and not using any form of contraception.
Nope it'd have been ironic if she rang up and told you she was pregnant...but as a fellow elder sibling I hope it doesn't happen to her...I know if one of my little sisters got pregnant I flip out, calm down go and have a talk with whoever had done this to them and then if they were unwilling to get a job and support her I'd have to castrate them then and therethenumberthirteen said:Well she's 18 now, but that's worse. Ironic thing is about 5 minutes after I posted that she phoned up and said she had just got a TattooHankMan said:
My mother is quite pissed off, and I'll get the aftermath. The tattoo is of some rum company. ???
lol I'm so nice
I can't speak for the UK but I have a few theories on why it's so bad in the US. For the most part the US has poor sex education (at least in the Southeast), and there is a constant push for absence only education. Politicians don't want schools teaching contraception methods saying that's the right of the parents. However, most parents don't feel comfortable talking about sex. Our society is highly sexualized, yet no one wants to talk about sex.
The lack of education, coupled with the students not having anyone to talk probably leads to the high teenage pregnancy rate my country has. For comparisons the US has the 2nd highest teen pregnancy rate of all the developed countries. Russia is number 1 is anyone wanted to know.
The lack of education, coupled with the students not having anyone to talk probably leads to the high teenage pregnancy rate my country has. For comparisons the US has the 2nd highest teen pregnancy rate of all the developed countries. Russia is number 1 is anyone wanted to know.
True it is only slightly Ironic.ZydrateDealer said:Nope it'd have been ironic if she rang up and told you she was pregnant...but as a fellow elder sibling I hope it doesn't happen to her...I know if one of my little sisters got pregnant I flip out, calm down go and have a talk with whoever had done this to them and then if they were unwilling to get a job and support her I'd have to castrate them then and therethenumberthirteen said:Well she's 18 now, but that's worse. Ironic thing is about 5 minutes after I posted that she phoned up and said she had just got a TattooHankMan said:
My mother is quite pissed off, and I'll get the aftermath. The tattoo is of some rum company. ???
lol I'm so nice