It's China, yes, and veto is only in Security Council (which is the action wing of the UN, so it is the most important) but Russia vetoed way more during the Cold War, they have the most vetoes out of any country.WickedSkin said:
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Here's an idea: Lets stop all the US funding for the UN, all US peacekeepers, and all US aid to the world. Then when people actually realize how much the great satan does for the world (besides electing a black president who has been lucky enough to not have a major attack on american citizens and thus gets a peace prize for that) and then reinstate all the funding.
I still say boot the UN over to somewhere in europe, let them deal with the stupidity of having a five hour traffic jam because the king of Idunnoistan has decided to visit to make his case for eradicating half of his people.
It is anarchy, but that's not really a bad thing. Actually works out pretty good so far.NimbleJack3 said:
Indeed. But the point of anarchy is that it only works as long as everyone agrees to play by the rules.sneakypenguin said:
It's a tacky concept.
The UN don't really have any political weight to do anything and they are organised in such away that actions have to be in the interrests of the 5 permanent seats in the security council. How they even come to a decision to say "no thats bad very bad" is beyond me. I agree with their premis to be there to be a law making body which a country can be held responsible to but they have to have some power to do what they want to do. Its like when Isreal in Feburary :S attacked the UN school and they just told them off 
. I get seriously fustrated with the UN, theres a promise of so much and then they fail to do much at all because of regulation and the fact they're like a subsitute teacher, countries will just refuse to listen to them.
. I get seriously fustrated with the UN, theres a promise of so much and then they fail to do much at all because of regulation and the fact they're like a subsitute teacher, countries will just refuse to listen to them.Isn't there anyone here who knows that the UN isn't all about Peacekeeping/Security? Anyone who says that the UN is worthless is ignorant. Hundreds of NGOs (Non Governmental Organizations) are working around the clock to make the world a better place. For example there's the World Health Organization, UN Children's Fund (UNICEF), the World Food Program, Organisations that help developing countries, environmental organizations, drug control, United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS, Development Fund for Women, and hundreds of other groups working directly with the UN. Oh and currently the UN is irradiating polio in Africa and the Middle East, next their working on Malaria. Not to mention the Work of other groups like the Trusteeship Council.
And even then the Peace Keeping stuff the UN does-does a lot of good. The overwhelming majority of member nations respect UN treaties and resolutions and no one ever said creating a peaceful global society on earth would be easy. Would you rather we all blow each other up to solve our problems?
Just research all these things that the groups and NGO's do within the UN and you'll see that there's far more to the United Nations than peacekeeping.
And even then the Peace Keeping stuff the UN does-does a lot of good. The overwhelming majority of member nations respect UN treaties and resolutions and no one ever said creating a peaceful global society on earth would be easy. Would you rather we all blow each other up to solve our problems?
Just research all these things that the groups and NGO's do within the UN and you'll see that there's far more to the United Nations than peacekeeping.
They do have the peacekeepers, it's just they have them hog tied with so many regulations that I'm pretty sure by the time they're allowed to fight back, they're already dead.
The UN sucks. Nobody in charge anywhere is committed to helping anyone or resolving anything.
Christ, look at the countries on the Security Council. China backs the Sudanese Arabic government, guess why nobody touched Darfur. Many countries in the UN are human rights abusers or have foreign policy that supports human rights abuse (even the US).
It's like putting the Mafia in charge of crime fighting. Yeah, that'll go far.
Christ, look at the countries on the Security Council. China backs the Sudanese Arabic government, guess why nobody touched Darfur. Many countries in the UN are human rights abusers or have foreign policy that supports human rights abuse (even the US).
It's like putting the Mafia in charge of crime fighting. Yeah, that'll go far.
Well the UN's power comes from it's membership so if you mean all the major world players joined this time, then yes I agree they're in a better position. It's weakeness will always be selling cooperation to Developed nations though. If all developed countries fully cooperated they would have more than a few very painful growing pains adjusting to the goals of the UN. Especially now with deficits continously balooning reaching targets for humantarian missions is unfortunately difficult to justify to the public and will probably remain so.Dancingman said:
Don't know much about Kosovo... but my History 12 textbook was fond of WHO... can't argue with some of their ideas
Yeah, that's in a nutshell the reasons why nobody, including developing nations, wants to really give up more of their individual sovereignty to the United Nations, that and the fact that nations like the US and Russia have their own individual goals of empire to pursue and don't really care for an organization that would not look kindly on their doing so.Uinendili said:
Also, to put it simply, the Kosovo conflict was all that hubbub back in the 90's where Milosevic and his Serbian forces were committing acts of genocide against non-Serbs (mainly Croatians and Albanians, the former of which had committed notorious acts of genocide against Serbs during the reign of fascist dictator Ante Pavelic) and often spoke of creating a "greater Serbia". His troops violently displaced non-Serbs, and also had some very disturbing things where Serbian troops were deliberately encouraged to rape Albanian women so that they would bear Serbian children, and killed many more if they either refused to leave their homes or simply out of that feeling of anonymity and power that comes from being in war. Now, this was a lot of racial hatred and tension going on, but whether it was an actual "let's wipe them all out" genocide is disputed, a UN court ruled that it was not a genocide as it was seen more as an effort to "sweep out the dregs of society" via deportation rather than "kill them all".
