- Dec 9, 2013
Well, no. I'm not going to tell you what the right way is because I don't think there is a right way. That's why I put wrong in quotation marks.CloudAtlas said:And I assume you will be more than happy to educate me about the "right" way to experience a story, the objectively "right" priorities and preferences, correct?The Great Fungus said:It's alright to like ME. That doesn't make you or the people you mentioned above stupid. All it does is indicate that you either didn't give it much thought, have very low standards and/or the "wrong" priorities regarding its objective quality. And I do believe there is such a thing.
What is wrong, shallow, or thoughtless with liking the story for the deeper themes it touches upon, the moral ambiguity of many of its elements, the difficult questions it asks of you, while emotionally pulling you in enough to make me care about all of this in the first place?
You don't have to oblivious to any flaws for doing so. Now it certainly helps if not all supposed flaws are actually flaws to you, or at least not as bad as others make them out to be, or whatever, but saying as much will only lead to certain people repeating themselves that you're wrong/ignorant/whatever for not equally caring, for not disliking stuff as much as they do, and other similarly stupid claims, exactly the claims that made you respond in the first place, and now you're running in circles and nothing will ever come out of it.
My point wasn't about whether ME is enjoyable or not, because that indeed comes down to personal preferences. I also never criticized you or anyone else for liking it. I liked it for the same reasons you named, I was just very disappointed by it. Did expectations and disappointments ever factor into your experience? They might have played a bigger role for us (the "haters") because we waited for years to watch the trilogy unfold. Perhaps that's why the whole thing left a very bitter taste in our mouths.
All I'm trying to say, and I'm sorry if I'm failing at it, is that ME's writing can't be considered good storytelling without ignoring or not thinking about its flaws.
The themes and deeper meanings were there. Some of the characters and their story arcs were interesting and moving. I'll give you that. What's bad is the thing that holds everything together. Everyone can throw in thoughtful subjects, it's how you package them that matters. Birdemic also had an important message to tell, and yet it sucks. Its saving grace though is that it's hilariously bad, ME isn't.
I just don't understand how someone can look at giant plot holes, sloppy characterizations, contrived plot devices, a deus ex machina, nonsensical motivations and whatever else has been said a thousand times and still say that those things are not important.
Please remember that I'm not one those who call it the worst thing ever made. I try not to engage in hyperbole. It just irks me that writing in gaming is still held up to an appallingly low standard. Look at how much praise Bioshock Infinite has gotten even though its plot is utter garbage.