Fuck-king slaaack, Microsoft. Right in the ass of the mentally unsound, way to root da system, dawg.
[UPDATE] Microsoft Devastates Autistic Child By Labeling Him a Cheater
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I don't, as I said, but the six people she spoke to at Microsoft didn't know either.Sparrow said:
Guilty or Innocent, there's still a major problem with a system that automatically and permanently strips you of stuff and labels you. Autism or not.
All the "evidence" we have at the moment is one group of people saying it's an automated unblockable, infallible system, one group saying it's all moderators, and a Microsoft rep on damage control.
Oh, and a group of people who want to kick the living hell out of this kid because his mum tried to get him sympathy.
That's why I'm jumping. We've yet to see if there was a gun there.
The kid needs to expand his horizons (even though autistic people have a habit of obsessing over things) but microsoft being ignorant to his obsession and punishing him for it is a pretty shitty way of doing things.
I don't know if it's true of all autistic people too but they also normally have a strong sense of justice and the rules if they have been educated to understand them, which is exactly why I think he didn't cheat, more like played like a religion.
I don't know if it's true of all autistic people too but they also normally have a strong sense of justice and the rules if they have been educated to understand them, which is exactly why I think he didn't cheat, more like played like a religion.
You're basing this on your considerable experience in the field of autism research, correct? You're not just assuming that someone with a mental handicap would react in a way you deem logical in any given situation?Tankichi said:
Tossing wild guesses about this child's behavior is a mark of considerable arrogance and ignorance on your part. Even the top minds in autism research can't venture guesses about behavior with any kind of respectable accuracy. What seems logical to you might be fallacious to someone with autism and vice versa.
As for Microsoft's course of action... They could have asked the opinions of autism specialists for how to react to a clear breach of policy by an autistic child, but that would take a lot of time, money and effort. It's far simpler for all involved to enforce the policy as usual.
What I still don't get is how can you cheat to boost your gamerscore. You would think that by this point Microsoft would have figured out a way to stop it altogether instead of spanking people.
I don't care if he's a heaven sent avatar of charisma or a winged violet garbage truck that knows how to tap dance.
If he cheated, he loses his points.
Pretty simple concept.
I imagine Microsoft has it laid out pretty simple to see when the numbers are modified as well, not some sketchy suspicion or whatnot.
If he cheated, he loses his points.
Pretty simple concept.
I imagine Microsoft has it laid out pretty simple to see when the numbers are modified as well, not some sketchy suspicion or whatnot.
SO, you disregard everything i said because you feel its too much to read?ProGrasTiNation said:
fine
let me simplify it for YOU!
HE IS CHEATIN ONLINE BECAUSE GAMESCORE IS POSTED IN THE LEADERBOARDS THAT SOME PEOPLE CARE ABOUT
and caring about that "number" is not wrong, or makes someone a loser!!, he is just playing the game in a different way that you do, and if you dont care about it, again GOOD FOR YOU, but there are people who do, and just because you think they are "losers" it doesnt mean its "right" to cheat them out of their enjoyment
P.S. when did i took things out of context?? i was just trying to make you understand that its not wrong to care about an arbitrary number, and how exactly do you know if i got out of context when you didnt even read everything i wrote???? that baffles me!
If you're not prepared to look up the system used to catch people found guilty of this kind of modding, don't post. This has nothing to do with other player input. Microsoft have a secretive system in place that tracks players achievements, earn to many achievements to quickly and your account gets flagged. From there they look at the achievements and attempt to see why it was flagged - if something doesn't add up [i.e there're 50 achievements unlocked at the same time - or impossible to earn achievements [such as online achievements earnt offline] the account receives this punishment, as it's very clear they have cheated. Apparently the kid earnt 1000 gamerscore in CoD: Black Op's within 3 seconds, clearly modding their score [though I have no source on that, just a rumor posted on another site - but that's an example of the kind of bullshit the kid pulled].Thedek said:
This incident has absolutely nothing to do with the child's skill level - and everything to do with the fact their gamerscore was illegally modded. Microasoft makes every user sign an agreement stated they agree to have Cheater placed by their name should they be found guilty of modding their gamerscore when they create an account; the user agrees - so I fail to see where the "sadistic" part comes in; the only reason people cheat to gain gamerscore is for pride, why not take that aspect away from them so they'll think twice before doing it again?
Of course Microsoft are being vague about the circumstances, they don't want the general public knowing how they catch achievement cheats, nor is it within their interests to push the issue further [they aren't going to give the public evidence when they've already shown the women in question, who hasn't made a comment since]The_root_of_all_evil said:
I think that's basically what's going on. People are going "He's autistic! how could he be cheating? He doesn't know how/know the difference/doesn't know tat cheaing is bad"Stabby Joe said:
They can't release the info to the kid because he's under aged, autistic, and since he's the one who plays XBox, even if they told him "We found this, this, and this" he could lie to the public.
"Yeah let cheats get away with their crimes unpunished!MatsVS said:
Ugh, you do realize that if they give this kid his score back every cheat who posts on the Xbox.com forums [there's a section for account suspensions] that claims they're innocent [they always do] will cry they have some form of mental disability - you can't let a few slip by without opening up the floodgates"
I think your priorities are "fucked up", why exactly should we let this kid break the rules? Because he cares? I'm pretty sure everyone that has ever cheated to earn a greater amount of gamerscore has cared...that's why they did it in the first place...
Seeing how you can't redeem gamerscore points or achievements for anything I say wth is the big deal?
Being that the kid is autistic I can see why they would matter to him, but its not like Microsoft is losing out on anything by just letting the kid keep his points, FFS
Being that the kid is autistic I can see why they would matter to him, but its not like Microsoft is losing out on anything by just letting the kid keep his points, FFS
No, he should get away with it because achievements and gamerscores are not important. Protecting and shielding the weakest in our societies is important. Hasn't the universe already punished him enough by making him autistic? Besides, why do you care if some moron on the internet lies about being autistic to get his achievements back? He is who he is in a world that is very dark and will probably die alone, so no hair off your back. If these people somehow, by their mere existence, impedes your enjoyment in games, I suggest finding a more solitary hobby.D_987 said:
The "Microsoft rep" was Stepto, who is in charge of Policy and Enforcement. He's not a PR flack puking back talking points, he's the guy who pulls the trigger on this stuff.The_root_of_all_evil said:
Also, MS (including Stepto) has repeatedly described the ban system; targets get flagged (automagically, or by user reports) for human review, admins do some research into the target, and if the research shows solid evidence of misbehaviour then an admin places the ban.
The process isn't arbitrary and it isn't one that can be "gamed" simply. It's also pretty robust, even if that does make it slow to act sometimes.
That too. Back when I was in public school the most supportive parents in the school were the parents of the worst bully. Little [name redacted] just couldn't have done these terrible things, because he's such a wonderful boy... so when a parent vigorously asserts the innocence of his/her child despite the evidence-based claims of others, I'm naturally suspicious. (That's one of many reasons I didn't buck for a job in Xbox Live's enforcement division when I had the chance.)
-- Steve