[UPDATE] Microsoft Devastates Autistic Child By Labeling Him a Cheater
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1) This specific kid is autistic. He has reason to feel this way (although I'd like to have seen an expert on autism on the subject, it'd be an interesting "positive" video game story)theultimateend said:
2) Kids can change. A permanent brand is permanent.
3) Other online services seem to handle it better and foster a good community. Steam, specifically.
I am of the opinion that if he cheated, that's his tough luck. Having Autism is a lousy plea for lenience - if anything, Autists are sticklers for obeying rules. So that excuse doesn't wash with me. (As someone on the Autistic Spectrum, myself.)
However, if he didn't cheat - and did get the 'cheevos through hard graft - they should be restored. Unfortunately for him, he actually got investigated and was not only found out to be a cheat, but a liar, as well.
Long story short: just because you have Autism doesn't give you a right to be a douche.
However, if he didn't cheat - and did get the 'cheevos through hard graft - they should be restored. Unfortunately for him, he actually got investigated and was not only found out to be a cheat, but a liar, as well.
Long story short: just because you have Autism doesn't give you a right to be a douche.
Ding-ding-ding! We have a winnah!Fronzel said:
A lot of people here are making huge assumptions about what MS can and cannot know about activity on Xbox Live... many of which are certainly dead wrong. Of course those who know the details aren't going to divulge them, because telling might make it easier for cheaters to spoof the detectors; but it's certainly a heckuva lot more than counting complaints up to a threshold or a "hey, this looks funny" from an admin.
You have to ask yourself, before rather than after working yourself into a froth over the unfairness of it all, whether it's reasonable to assume that experts know less about how a system works than you do as an amateur.
-- Steve
Cheaters never prosper so I believe he gets what he deserves. The mom is just crying wolf because she thinks her special little boy can do no wrong well guess what you break the rules you get the punishment thats how the world works.
Ah but a perfectly logical move for an 11 year old who spends too much time playing Xbox. Autistic or no, if he's cheating, he needs to learn that there are consequences.Tankichi said:
I mean, I'm (technically) autistic too, and by age 11 I had learnt that if I did something wrong, I was going to have my arse kicked by one or more authority figures.
In response to posts like 'How can you be obsessed with achievements' 'Who cares about Gamerscore, lol': Fuck off.
My little brother is severely autistic, and autistic children get obsessed over anything. My little brother has obsessed over cars, football and currently Star Wars Lego - and they mean the world to him. And by obsessed, I truly mean it - to the point of being able to name any car brand by the logo alone - at age three.
Achievements seemed to mean the world to this kid - I'm sure we've all become obsessed over something - how many people play WoW or Minecraft? How is that any different to this?
I'm not saying if he cheated either way here, just stating that saying 'lol he's stupid for collecting them anyway who cares' is a fucking moronic viewpoint.
My little brother is severely autistic, and autistic children get obsessed over anything. My little brother has obsessed over cars, football and currently Star Wars Lego - and they mean the world to him. And by obsessed, I truly mean it - to the point of being able to name any car brand by the logo alone - at age three.
Achievements seemed to mean the world to this kid - I'm sure we've all become obsessed over something - how many people play WoW or Minecraft? How is that any different to this?
I'm not saying if he cheated either way here, just stating that saying 'lol he's stupid for collecting them anyway who cares' is a fucking moronic viewpoint.
/thread. im autistic(aspergers in real definition) and i can do things in games that my friends have trouble doing. does that make me a cheater? hell no, it just means im goodMelasZepheos said:
i think they should at least see the games that he got the acheivements from, it should help his case if he owns all the games he got achievements from.
Acheivement points and a Label as cheater? OMG those monstersss.
Talk about overreaction from the mother. I get that this is important to the kid but he can probably just win them all back anyways.
Talk about overreaction from the mother. I get that this is important to the kid but he can probably just win them all back anyways.
People think that just because a child is autistic, that they are little angels that would never do anything bad. They. Are. Wrong. They are as human as anyone else. It's just that they are socially inept. I have asperger's syndrome and yet I'm capable of being selfish and wanting something despite it being unethical.
Microsoft wouldn't continue to have the child's account labeled as a cheating one unless they were damn sure, considering the fact that the kid is autistic and "picking on the autistic kid for no reason" isn't a very good PR stunt.
So, I think the kid cheated, and deserves to have his achievements taken away. Since he's capable of at least talking to the press about his dissatisfaction, he can't be completely withdrawn from society. He must have a concept of good and bad. With the varying degrees of autism, what's to stop people of less extremes to claim what he did and get a free pass?
Microsoft wouldn't continue to have the child's account labeled as a cheating one unless they were damn sure, considering the fact that the kid is autistic and "picking on the autistic kid for no reason" isn't a very good PR stunt.
So, I think the kid cheated, and deserves to have his achievements taken away. Since he's capable of at least talking to the press about his dissatisfaction, he can't be completely withdrawn from society. He must have a concept of good and bad. With the varying degrees of autism, what's to stop people of less extremes to claim what he did and get a free pass?
Firstly, if this 11 year old child is mature enough to play games such as COD:Black OPS, Left4Dead 1&2, Saints Row 1&2, Dead Rising 1&2, GTA4, Red Dead Redemption, 50 Cent Blood on the Sand, Hitman:Blood Money, Resident Evil 5 or any of the other mature games on his game's list, then he's mature enough to take responsibility for the consequences of hacking his Gamerscore.
Secondly, if his mother is so concerned about the stigma of her son being labelled a cheat, then why didn't she clean the filth, grime and dead skin off his controller and wipe the weeping pus sore off his thumb before inviting Fox News to film close ups of his squalid hands?
I think the stigma of letting your 11 year old son play violent M rated games so much that he has sores on his digits and the analogue sticks on his filthy controller are worn smooth and have "fur" growing underneath them, is a lot worse than him being legitimately labelled a cheater, a label that only he will see on his Gamertag (unless you specifically go and look for it), unlike this Fox News story, which the entire world can see and has prompted people to find out and scrutinise his Gamertag and see what kind of games you let your 11 year old child play.
http://live.xbox.com/en-GB/GameCenter?compareTo=ZOMBIE%20KILL67
Secondly, if his mother is so concerned about the stigma of her son being labelled a cheat, then why didn't she clean the filth, grime and dead skin off his controller and wipe the weeping pus sore off his thumb before inviting Fox News to film close ups of his squalid hands?
I think the stigma of letting your 11 year old son play violent M rated games so much that he has sores on his digits and the analogue sticks on his filthy controller are worn smooth and have "fur" growing underneath them, is a lot worse than him being legitimately labelled a cheater, a label that only he will see on his Gamertag (unless you specifically go and look for it), unlike this Fox News story, which the entire world can see and has prompted people to find out and scrutinise his Gamertag and see what kind of games you let your 11 year old child play.
From what I can gather from the article this kid just like every other under 12 on Xbox Live, only with the added bonus of probably being told his whole life that "it's not your fault billy, you're AUTISTIC".
As someone with ASD (albeit diagnosed around age 12) I find this annoying, even offensive. I've never used my autism as a crutch, and purple that do make me angry beyond belief. All thing considered, most people with ASD wouldn't even think of blaming it for their actions.
But I digress, if this kid's a cheater, he should be held up to the standard of the rest of the Xbox community.
As someone with ASD (albeit diagnosed around age 12) I find this annoying, even offensive. I've never used my autism as a crutch, and purple that do make me angry beyond belief. All thing considered, most people with ASD wouldn't even think of blaming it for their actions.
But I digress, if this kid's a cheater, he should be held up to the standard of the rest of the Xbox community.
His mother would have been the one that had to bare the brunt of the fallout. Sleepless nights, a child unable to eat, stimming excessively and unable to employ any of his basic self-care skills.WanderingBiscuits said:
Whilst many people here are giving Microsoft and the shoddy LIVE infrastructure the benefit of doubt; they're not being as even-handed towards the mother or the boy. We can not see what Microsoft knows, but we can't see what she and her son went through regardless of the validity of the punishment.
Helps if people didn't cite Encyclopedia Dramatica as an authority on Autism.
