And even with all that support, they still release their games with horrible, horrible bugs.reiniat said:Well, EA youre death to me anyway
But they got a point, however Bethesda's Pete Hines resumed it much better and without being an asshole:
"The time for convincing publishers and developers to support Wii U has long past. The box is out.
You have to do what Sony and Microsoft have been doing with us for a long time. It's not that every time we met with them we got all the answers that we wanted, but they involved us very early on, talking to folks like Bethesda and Gearbox, saying, 'Here's what we're doing, here's what we're planning, here's how we think it's going to work,' to hear what we thought, from our tech guys, and from an experience standpoint.
You have to spend an unbelieveable amount of time upfront doing that. If you're going to sort of decide 'Well, we're going to make a box and this is how it's going to work, and you should make games for it - well, no! No is my answer!
I'm going to focus on other ones that better support what it is we're trying to do. You've got to spend more time trying to reach out to those folks before you even make the box when you're still designing it and thinking about how it's going to work."
UPDATE: "Nintendo Was Dead to Us" After Wii U Launch, Says EA Source
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That's funny, EA. You've been dead to the gaming community way longer than the WiiU's lifespan.
It's pretty apparent by now that EA suffers from tunnel vision/brain damage due to their ongoing catering to the white teenage male douche-bag demographic and its one of many issues that will eventually kill this company. But you can't ignore the dire situation Nintendo is in right now. They need to make major changes to get them out of the predicament they're in right now before its too late.
I can't help but wonder if the lack of 3rd party games is due to Nintendo's actions or is this a conspiracy from other companies wanting to destroy Nintendo for the companies past actions (I.E. their iron fist rule during the cartridge era and their dick movie towards Sony that led to the rise of the Playstation)? I know the latter sounds very paranoid but this whole "Fuck you, got mine" mentally of the games industry is not helping either side win. This is only bringing us one step closer to another market crash if things continue to go south for everyone.
It's pretty apparent by now that EA suffers from tunnel vision/brain damage due to their ongoing catering to the white teenage male douche-bag demographic and its one of many issues that will eventually kill this company. But you can't ignore the dire situation Nintendo is in right now. They need to make major changes to get them out of the predicament they're in right now before its too late.
I can't help but wonder if the lack of 3rd party games is due to Nintendo's actions or is this a conspiracy from other companies wanting to destroy Nintendo for the companies past actions (I.E. their iron fist rule during the cartridge era and their dick movie towards Sony that led to the rise of the Playstation)? I know the latter sounds very paranoid but this whole "Fuck you, got mine" mentally of the games industry is not helping either side win. This is only bringing us one step closer to another market crash if things continue to go south for everyone.
If companies stopped burning these bridges, perhaps more consumers would be inclined to live on the island.
...I'm still working on that metaphor, but I think it has potential.
Sources frequently say publicly that they'll stop producing for the Wii U because of poor sales. Even if it's true, it's the kind of thing that should be kept quiet. The consumer loses faith in gaming potential on the machine, and sales become poor. It's a cycle that hurts both parties.
...I'm still working on that metaphor, but I think it has potential.
Sources frequently say publicly that they'll stop producing for the Wii U because of poor sales. Even if it's true, it's the kind of thing that should be kept quiet. The consumer loses faith in gaming potential on the machine, and sales become poor. It's a cycle that hurts both parties.
I'm amazed that none of these publishers though to put low cost titles out for the wii-u, I mean, if all their complaints are that it's low power, then make simpler games for it, cheaper to produce and sell for a bit less, as a backup to the ever ballooning budgets that the other consoles seem to be demanding.
but no, that would make sense, wouldn't it?
but no, that would make sense, wouldn't it?
I don't see why 'kid' is that bad a term to refer to what is a bunch of... under aged brats. Twerps even. Why bother to really focus on a segment of the market that has no money, no jobs, and are pretty much a small population when there is a bigger market composed of teens, young adults, and a growing number of late 20's, 30's, and older gamers out there. So yes, focusing on E rating games is not a safe bet, not when people actually want to have something with more depth to it than you can get in a family friendly title.
That is all EA is really saying here. They and a number of others have decided to go after the markets that actually have the money to buy a game and any other parts that accompany that. Till a child can actually legally enjoy the a game rated pegi-13/teen rated game... it is a better investment to ignore them or let smaller/more narrow focused developers worry about them instead of alienating the older audiences with a watered down product.
Now, do I support EA most of the time? No... but I understand where they are coming from. Nintendo just doesn't appeal on any lasting level due to games that are relatively light on anything you might expect from young adult or adult oriented entertainment.
Then again, we could all just jump on the nintendo bandwagon in terms of games and have bland, brightly colored games with shallow stories compared to any other form of entertainment... like proper drama or suspense or intrigue... that is what we are to accept from 1st party nintendo dreck.
They have brought this upon themselves... it is just a matter of time before someone from all the major 3rd party studios come forward and say say some version of 'Nintendo just doesn't have anything that we want... except kids... and we can find those snot nosed brats anywhere... they are a dime a dozen.'
That is all EA is really saying here. They and a number of others have decided to go after the markets that actually have the money to buy a game and any other parts that accompany that. Till a child can actually legally enjoy the a game rated pegi-13/teen rated game... it is a better investment to ignore them or let smaller/more narrow focused developers worry about them instead of alienating the older audiences with a watered down product.
Now, do I support EA most of the time? No... but I understand where they are coming from. Nintendo just doesn't appeal on any lasting level due to games that are relatively light on anything you might expect from young adult or adult oriented entertainment.
Then again, we could all just jump on the nintendo bandwagon in terms of games and have bland, brightly colored games with shallow stories compared to any other form of entertainment... like proper drama or suspense or intrigue... that is what we are to accept from 1st party nintendo dreck.
They have brought this upon themselves... it is just a matter of time before someone from all the major 3rd party studios come forward and say say some version of 'Nintendo just doesn't have anything that we want... except kids... and we can find those snot nosed brats anywhere... they are a dime a dozen.'
As much as I don't like EA and the way they've chosen to word their arguments toward not making games for the WiiU...unfortunately it isn't just them that has this attitude.
Since this is the internet and many people can make the same point in a far better way than I: I'm going to post this link since it seems relevant to what EA is talking about:
http://www.screwattack.com/shows/partners/game-overthinker/game-overthinker-special-fate-nintendo
Since this is the internet and many people can make the same point in a far better way than I: I'm going to post this link since it seems relevant to what EA is talking about:
http://www.screwattack.com/shows/partners/game-overthinker/game-overthinker-special-fate-nintendo
my first instinct to quote you came from that first line up there that is just filled with wrongness. games STARTED as toys aimed at the young, but that is no longer the case. that being said, obviously there's still a place for children's games, but all he said is that they aren't in that market, which is fair.Aiddon said:
jesus dude, you have me defending EA now...
anyways, i included that second quoted line because in the same paragraph you say that they should always be aimed at the young and also need to grow up. so i pose this question to you... DAFUK?! that's like the Giant's spawn conditions in Minecraft, both can't be simultaneously true. (look up the reference if needed.)
I know that apparently 3rd party devs developing for Nintendo is a pain in the ass but I'm still going to get on EA for this because they're so slimy that they can't stay still on a decision for two days before back peddling on it. "Nintendo is dead to us! Wait no they aren't. Wait yes they are." EA doesn't have an opinion, it just says what it thinks people want to hear.
That Disney Infinity game seems to be doing pretty well if the number of figures I see going through the checkout is any indication. But yeah, I don't see any games on the Wii U that would make me even consider buying it. It does seem to be aimed at a difference audience than myself.
On the flip side, the fact that the guy said EA is only interested in games that can become big franchises...that's probably not the healthiest mindset to have there. Not everything can be a pot of gold--or did you forget that lesson from Medal of Honor?
On the flip side, the fact that the guy said EA is only interested in games that can become big franchises...that's probably not the healthiest mindset to have there. Not everything can be a pot of gold--or did you forget that lesson from Medal of Honor?
I really don't see why we need multiple consoles that all have the same games produced for them anyways. I hope Nintendo can continue to produce games that cater to their customer base, even if it doesn't include me, since the marketplace is better for it. This sounds a bit like sour grapes from EA because Nintendo probably just doesn't care about their products as much as they'd like them to.
eh, if they consider a late port to be a solid effort in trying to do something with nintendo, maybe they're not the kind of developers that we should be putting our trust in? as much as i hear gossip from other users about their relationship with third parties (of which, when pressed for details, refer to something from the NES days which is kind of OLD), i'm still not convinced that these excuses are actually valid when we lack so much detail about them...frankly, for the "innovation" that we've been promised, there have been almost no sign that it will come from the bigger studios who rely on being boring to justify their massive budgets, while sony and microsoft do their best to pretend that they're not going to suck independent studios dry
i hardly believe that anybody should be taking advice from them on how to do longterm business
i hardly believe that anybody should be taking advice from them on how to do longterm business
No, Aiddon's point holds up. Calling them 'toys' was off-putting for me too, but the point stands. Targeting young audiences and succeeding is how not just Nintendo, but all of the console market lasts today.martyrdrebel27 said:
I probably won't make this point well, but..
Playing E games while young fixes in a mindset of having fun with video games first. From there, the joy of seeing progression and variety in games keeps you a better repeat customer. If a kid starts out playing CoD, what else is there for you when that kid grows up, and is bored of CoD and its playstyle? I'd go all in on a bet that Mario leads to more interest in gaming as a whole than CoD does for young people. Hell, make it any age group.
There has to be a vision of the future, and honestly, third parties just don't have it. (beyond exploited sequels) It's truly a problem and a shame that not just Nintendo, but all consoles rely on third parties like EA.
And yes, EA is still stupid for saying that they aren't in the market for 'kids games'. EA is clearly, and soooo expressedly a business; why the fuck are you shaving off customer bases in the same realm as your 'intended audience'?
As for you last point, games STILL need to grow up. If you think CoD or Battlefield, or really 80% of the mature rated titles in the last couple generations are truly fitting of rating...yea, you're not so grown up yourself. No, these are just cultural fixations; the war-game fad as it is now will fade as the generations stop caring about them (the issue being that this will happen faster than normal, even to the point of irrevelancy). The impartiality of appeal that Mario holds would laster than of a game like CoD over the years, I wager.
I've never cared for the Wii U, nor the Wii after that appearence change and the waggle-centric stuff, but I care even less for EA or the oppinions of someone coming from there. EVERY single time it's some dumbass "hey people say this, let's say the same thing (and change anything afterwards)".
But shows like walking dead and breaking bad shows how people want see more mature anti escapist media in general. COD was as antiescapist as possible. I felt like a powerless grunt unable to save the worldIpsen said: