[UPDATE] Players Banned for Breakdancing in Star Wars: The Old Republic

[Scarim Coral]

The breakdance is strong with this one (sorry I can't help it).

Seriously they should release a patch to fix this glitch already!

Oh also it bring a whole new meaning to "Can't touch this"!

 

[unacomn]

So, indiscriminate killing is OK for an amoral sith, but dancing is a big no-no? Is this like the duck thing? Is dancing in combat verboten?

 

[Tireseas_v1legacy]

Spoiler: So I guess it is truly the safety dance

 

[Amnestic]

Release broken game > People play the game > Get banned because the game is broken.

Release game with an unknown exploit in the code > People knowingly exploit it to get ahead in the game > People get banned because they exploited the game.

To take another recent example, should nothing have been done to players who used the Javelin exploit in Modern Warfare 2? Do you think this situation is different? Why?

 

[unacomn]

Sorry, double post, the browser died while posting the first time.

 

[Ignatz_Zwakh]

Banning people for stickin' it to the man with the power of dance! Bioware, fascism ill suits you!

 

[Neonit]

damn them! trying to outlaw dancing again! wait what? somebody mentioned safety dance before me? DAMN YOU NINJAS!

thats a quite funny glitch xD yea, its mentioned in pretty much every mmo contract, that you are !FORBIDDEN! to abuse glitches. FORBIDDEN!

 

[Fappy]

stupid stupid stupid thing to ban people for. I hate it. Release a game that isn't broken if you don't like people playing that way.

Indeed.

Release broken game > People play the game > Get banned because the game is broken.

SMRET LAWJIK!

Bioware - Proving that just because you can write a good story, it does not mean you're not, in fact, an idiot (See also: Frank Miller).

Ha! That gave me a giggle. Don't see enough frank miller jokes on this site.

 

[Baresark]

Of course they are banning more people. It's all they know how to do, since they cannot proficiently program a game anymore apparently. In all seriousness though, it's bullshit. Just put out a fast patch disabling the dancing till you get it ironed out. I hate this. Too bad I'm enjoying the game so much. I mean, it's still fun. I don't care if people exploit it at all. They are only ruining their good time by doing it. They aren't messing the game up for me.

 

[Otaku World Order]

Actually, for dancers in the Star Wars Universe, that's not so harsh. When Jabba had problems with dancers, he'd drop them in the Rancor Pit.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

People knowingly exploit it to get ahead in the game

Why/when did cheating yourself become a subject for hard line retribution?

We all used to type in "IDKFA" and not worry at all about unbalancing the game. Why is it suddenly SO SERIOUS!!!!!!1111!!!

Worst possible case scenario: Some eedjet get to the top of the leaderboards. OH NOEZ!

Fix the bug on the sly so it now draws fire to you. Problem solved.

 

[Amnestic]

Why/when did cheating yourself become a subject for hard line retribution?

It's not cheating yourself, it's cheating against others. That's part of the whole 'Multiplayer' aspect?

We all used to type in "IDKFA" and not worry at all about unbalancing the game. Why is it suddenly SO SERIOUS!!!!!!1111!!!

If they'd hacked their characters to make them invincible, would you have the same view? Why is punishing people for knowingly cheating in a multiplayer game suddenly a bad thing?

Worst possible case scenario: Some eedjet get to the top of the leaderboards. OH NOEZ!

Or you get a reputation of letting cheaters get away with their actions which could harm your chances of bringing in future customers.

 

[Wolfram23]

The update has confused me. So are people getting banned or not?

Seems absolutely retarded to ban people for this. I mean yeah sure it's an exploit (I guess) but it's also something that anybody could randomly do. I mean you don't have to try to break the game with this one, you just type /dance (or something).

Maybe Bioware should ban themselves for allowing it to happen in the first place.

 

[Caliostro]

Release broken game > People play the game > Get banned because the game is broken.

Release game with an unknown exploit in the code > People knowingly exploit it to get ahead in the game > People get banned because they exploited the game.

To take another recent example, should nothing have been done to players who used the Javelin exploit in Modern Warfare 2? Do you think this situation is different? Why?

Before I can reply, first you gotta tell me what IS the Javelin Exploit.

That said, it's part of the game. It's their fault it's in the game, and these users are only affecting themselves. If you don't want people exploiting it fix it. "But it takes time". Release a mini (and I mean mini) patch that simply disables dancing till it's fixed. TADA. You've temporarily fixed your fuck up completely + not causing a PR mess + not locking paying costumers out of your game! It's win-win-win.

Edit: ah, Good fake. Disregard this then. Apologies to Bioware.

...Would still be fucking stupid if it happened.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Why/when did cheating yourself become a subject for hard line retribution?

It's not cheating yourself, it's cheating against others. That's part of the whole 'Multiplayer' aspect?

Which is one of the reasons why the move to Social media/MP on all games is a bad one.

We all used to type in "IDKFA" and not worry at all about unbalancing the game. Why is it suddenly SO SERIOUS!!!!!!1111!!!

If they'd hacked their characters to make them invincible, would you have the same view?

They're near invincible. OK, "IDDQD" then. They're now flashing like a sore thumb.

Why is punishing people for knowingly cheating in a multiplayer game suddenly a bad thing?

When almost every game is multiplayer and every game has cheats? If you're making a game where you can damage the system purely by not following the exacting systems allowed, then you've made a bad game. You'd left the exploit there waiting for people to find it. (See Hot Coffee)

Worst possible case scenario: Some eedjet get to the top of the leaderboards. OH NOEZ!

Or you get a reputation of letting cheaters get away with their actions which could harm your chances of bringing in future customers.

Do you think anyone would be put off buying a game because "On the last game you could cheat"? Do you honestly believe that one person here would have that as their reason?

Is it more likely that people aren't touching games because "those 'Nazis'(sic) banned my character for "no good" reason?

Even if you find and exploit a cheat that makes you the God of Everything by holding your buttocks while double jumping, why would people exact Divine Retribution on people stupid enough to do that?

Why not..y'know, just reverse it? Cheats are rarely subtle.

How about you design a game that isn't built around a leaderboard based linear progression of time-sinks, and instead go for a game about personal achievement? Like we used to have? Then you can cheat as much as you like.

Better yet, don't rely on targetting systems for an MMO. Hit boxes are always a nightmare to code. Monster in way of sword? Sword hit monster. Even if Monster is dancing. In fact, double damage if dancing.

 

[Mike Kayatta]

stupid stupid stupid thing to ban people for. I hate it. Release a game that isn't broken if you don't like people playing that way.

When you think about it it is really not that stupid of a thing to ban people for. Exploiting in any multiplayer game will get you banned/suspended. Thats how it has always been and always will be. They cant just let people take advantage of glitches/exploits and do nothing about it. If they did they would have an actual uproar on their hands.

I agree that exploits are problematic for the community long term. Certainly they should be fixed, as they are discovered. What I'm arguing is that the burden is on the developer to either not release a faulty product or to fix the problem themselves, being that it's their game that is broken.

Yes, I know bugs are inevitable in games of this scale. That doesn't change my moral stance ^_^

 

[Varya]

StarWars: The Old Republic? More like Footloose: The Old Republic amiright?

 

[putowtin]

Oh for fucks sakes. They'll ban you for anything these days.

you're banned for the order of your badges does offend so! jk

but seriously, that's like banning anyone who's ever zig'd when they should have zag'd, run away from a fight or signed out of a multiplayer game when they were losing (wait.... they should be banned!)