[UPDATE] So, Minecraft (Isn't actually...) racist.

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StBishop said:
No, it's not. Racism is never funny.
I don't know how you can say that. The very idea that the place of your birth or the color of your skin changes the value of you as a human being is laughable at its core.

It does become a lot less funny (as in, not at all) when some one takes it too far with discrimination and lynchings though.
 

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StBishop said:
Yureina said:
That might be insulting, but at the same time it is also kind of funny, in a way. :eek:
No, it's not. Racism is never funny.
I dunno, assuming somebody is going to be offended by the word '******' in a country with a fair amount of white as well as black is quite amusing. It's almost as though the 'translator' wasn't aware that African does not mean black.
 

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Tubez said:
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Wow, wtf. Mojang dont check these things?
Again, how are they suppose to check something that is in a language that they do not understand??
Im pretty sure that word is a universal no-no. Just skimming the start up screen would pick it up.
And what if the insult was in French? or in Spanish?
People would still complain.

So is it better that they do not release language packs until they have had time/money to hire a professional translator? or should they take the risk with having som fans translate it for them?
Well, what if it was? In this case it was something very obvious in English that no-one thought to check. There's also so little text in MineCraft that it wouldn't even take 5 minutes to use Google translate to get the words translated if it's a language they don't know. I wont say that Mojang are evil or racist over this, but this could have been avoided with so little effort that it's laughable.
 

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Wolfram01 said:
Plus, South Africa is full of white people.

And pretty sure South African isn't a language. Maybe Zwahili?
Although there are a lot of people in South Africa, it has a strong history of racism...ie: Apartheid.

Also, Swahili is spoken in Swaziland.

They speak French, English and Afrikaans in South Africa.
French?!

Here in South Africa, we have eleven official languages (yes, eleven) of which none are French. Sure, we had French settlers back in the 18th and 19th century, but they were culturally and linguistically absorbed into the Dutch community, which over the last two centuries developed into the Afrikaans Boer culture of today.

South Africa is not 'full of white people', either. The vast majority of the population is made up of a huge range of black peoples, differentiated between by their languages and traditions that vary from region to region and culture to culture. The Xhosa of the Eastern Cape, for example, are - culturally speaking - almost diametrically opposed to the Zulu of Natal. The sad fact is that white males still control much of the private sector's wealth, as a result of the previous apartheid system enforced by the dreaded National Party.

Oh, and not all of us whiteys living here are racist thugs. Not that you at all implied it, but I'd just like to point that out to those out there who are not fully up to date on the social situation down here. It's quite annoying to be tarred with the same brush because of the disgusting exploits of a government that had been abolished before I was able to talk or walk.

Believe it or not, South Africa is slowly on the mend. It will take a number of generations to fix the results of the social and economic injustices of the past and eradicate the racial tensions that do still exist.

The only thing that really stands between the South Africa of today and the South Africa it ought to be, is (somewhat ironically) our new government, which has proven itself excellent at appointing the most corrupt ministers and officials it can find. Embezzlement, fraud, and corruption is pretty much the usual thing here. Everything from law enforcement to state-funded housing projects is a bloody joke, and crime is more rampantly violent than just about anywhere else. What we need is another Mandela to take the reins of presidency. What we got instead was a rapist who regularly sings such fond hits as "Bring Me My Machine Gun" at political rallies, and a government Youth League leader who was recently suspended (after much court deliberation) for rousing thousands-strong crowds with old struggle ballads such as "Kill the Boer" and "One Settler, One Bullet".

But such is life. As a 'white bastard' in South Africa, I sincerely hope that our government is overturned by a relatively honest opposition party that will attempt to curb the violence and bring some sort of relief to the millions of poverty-stricken people who make up the majority of our country, but who still vote for the current ANC government because of its 'struggle roots'. Because, for God's sake, we're all human beings. Black and white aside, this government is running us into the ground.
 

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Wolfram01 said:
latiasracer said:
It's not on 1.1, only on 12w04a
I don't really know what this part means... Well, I can guess that "12w04a" is a beta patch or something. Is it official?
that's the prerelease for Minecraft 1.2. there are videos about it on youtube by CaptainSparklez and the Yogscast and probably a bunch more.

OT: well... that's just wonderful. (sarcasm). it just shows that if you give people power, they will be twats.
 

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StBishop said:
Ugh... not another one.

Let me make this absolutely clear for you and everyone else who reads my post and flies off the handle. In fact, i'll edit the post just for you so its explained there too.

Racism is not funny. It is some sick shit that is a scourge in this world.

This incident in Minecraft however is not fundamentally racist. It is the work of a troll, albeit a poor-quality one who has bad taste, who was specifically trying to piss people off who would fly off the handle at the very mention of the word '******' without realizing that is exactly what he wanted you to do.

I do not think racism itself is funny. On the other hand, I think that people overreacting and calling this racist without stopping to think about this is funny. It is a demonstration of the fact that people give such power to certain words that they can't see this word being used in any connotation except as a racial slur to insult black people.

It is not the word itself that is offensive, but the context that it is used. In this specific case, I seriously doubt this was done to insult black people, but rather to make people like you and that other guy earlier rage like crazy. Your blind rage amuses me.

Does that make sense now?
 

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Eh, i chuckled, it was a stupid idea, its being/been fixed. End of story. If you really really give a fuck...well..enjoy the pointless rage.
 

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Hehe. That's kinda funny in an 'Oh dear' sort of way. If you're going to troll (and let's be honest, that is a great trolling opportunity for trolling types), you could at least do it with more subtlety and do something that's funny in it's own right. To be fair, I don't think Mojang are at much fault, it would be a bit pointless for them to check every language on there, despite not understanding them. Still, it is only a pre-release, so this is pretty much exactly what it is for.
 

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Racism isn't the issue, the issue is discrimination. You can't alter the way people think, all you can do is work towards eliminating discrimination. As for this joke, giving it so much publicity through your outrage ENSURED more people saw and became offended by it while if you left it there without much noise and just took down the fantranslation it would have vanished not unlike the insults thrown at any modern FPS game online.


This mentality of publicly decreeing any and all racist remarks is just a whole lot of wasted energy with little results since the troll prolly is laughing his ass off right now and the dude with the Rei avatar here seemed rather innocent and not deserving all that flame either.
 
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Yureina said:
StBishop said:
I do not think racism itself is funny. On the other hand, I think that people overreacting and calling this racist without stopping to think about this is funny. It is a demonstration of the fact that people give such power to certain words that they can't see this word being used in any connotation except as a racial slur to insult black people.

It is not the word itself that is offensive, but the context that it is used. In this specific case, I seriously doubt this was done to insult black people, but rather to make people like you and that other guy earlier rage like crazy. Your blind rage amuses me.

Does that make sense now?
thank you x10000, is it REALLY this hard for some people to understand this complete and total basic amount of logic?

context is everything, and to get a hernia over the fact that some idiot bluntly translated a single line of text into something remotely racist is extremely stupid. if someone put down "YOU ARE TRAILER TRASH HONKY, BOW DOWN TO YOUR TRUE MASTER" or something of the sort, i would just lul for a second and move on with the game.
 

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I kinda rolled my eyes when I saw it originally. But, then I read
dropping racial slurs into video games released in post-Apartheid countries is funny
and I laughed. It's funny because.. it's not really racially fueled. The author (of the translation) is not trying to demean anyone, it's just a lame troll/joke; but, the fact that someone will take it so serious - a racial slur in one translation of a lighthearted game - is quite funny.

Touche, Yureina. Took me a couple pages to realize the humor.
 

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LilithSlave said:
boag said:
LilithSlave said:
Oh my, are the Minecraft folks 4channers or something?
Yes, yes they are, /v/ was very vocal about minecraft in the begining.
Minecraft folks as in "the people working for Mojang."

Not Minecraft fans.
I thought it was common knowledge that Notch would troll the generals a couple of years ago.
 

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boag said:
LilithSlave said:
boag said:
LilithSlave said:
Oh my, are the Minecraft folks 4channers or something?
Yes, yes they are, /v/ was very vocal about minecraft in the begining.
Minecraft folks as in "the people working for Mojang."

Not Minecraft fans.
I thought it was common knowledge that Notch would troll the generals a couple of years ago.
Notch naffed of ages ago, to fag around with other projects. It was a good thing anyway, Jeb is far a more compitent dev - But i digress.

It is the minecraft fans, the language packs are fan made and then submitted to Mojang
 

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LOL!!!! ill admit, that's actually kind of funny in a bad way.

oh don't any of you give me that look, you've all laughed at something you shouldn't have once in your life.
 

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Yeah I laughed pretty hard at this and no, I'm not racist (I can't be, I have a black man as president [sub]that's a joke... -_-[/sub])

You guys raging over this need to chill out. It was a (successful?) troll attempt by the thrid party who made the language pack. I don't know how many language packs were done by third parties, but I'm sure Mojang didn't spend time going through them all because they knew they wouldn't be able to read most of them anyway (hence the third party translators...).
 

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latiasracer said:
Tenno said:
this is made of awsome and win! kudos to who ever is responsible
Eh, No it's not. Racisim is not awesome, And definitely nobody deserves kudos for this.
Don't bother, this thread is full of very typical privileged clowns who think that just doing something for the lulz is A-OK, even if it's blatantly racist. At least the fact that they get so defensive when you point out that they're being racist is evidence that on some level, they know they're wrong.

The excuses are really embarrassing. It's just a troll? Are you serious? I don't care WHY this person did it, if you don't think putting racial insults into a game meant for a predominantly black country isn't racist, then you don't know what racism is. And you make yourself look like a typical card-carrying white-privileged idiot when you say otherwise.

This isn't some random message dropped on a messageboard, it was put directly into a commercial game with the intention of shocking and offending black people. But no, that's not racist. And calling it racist is just internet raging. Give me a break.

Obviously it was done to troll. The idea that trolling can, in fact, be racist is what I'm trying to get through your skulls.
 

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ResonanceGames said:
latiasracer said:
Tenno said:
this is made of awsome and win! kudos to who ever is responsible
Eh, No it's not. Racisim is not awesome, And definitely nobody deserves kudos for this.
Don't bother, this thread is full of very typical privileged clowns who think that just doing something for the lulz is A-OK, even if it's blatantly racist. At least the fact that they get so defensive when you point out that they're being racist is evidence that on some level, they know they're wrong.

The excuses are really embarrassing. It's just a troll? Are you serious? I don't care WHY this person did it, if you don't think putting racial insults into a game meant for a predominantly black country isn't racist, then you don't know what racism is. And you make yourself look like a typical card-carrying white-privileged idiot when you say otherwise.

This isn't some random message dropped on a messageboard, it was put directly into a commercial game with the intention of shocking and offending black people. But no, that's not racist. And calling it racist is just internet raging. Give me a break.

Obviously it was done to troll. The idea that trolling can, in fact, be racist is what I'm trying to get through your skulls.
So, how is deliberately playing off social preconceptions to get a response "Racist"? Want to know how to stop racism? Stop making a big deal out of skin color, and ignore those who do.
 

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To the few people asking--the language is Afrikaans.

As for the actual image...you'd think someone would at least glance over this stuff, right? It seems a little weird not to. Or maybe they do, and it just so happens that this was the only one they didn't actually check. Either way, I still place the responsibility for this on Mojang, since it's their responsibility to ensure the quality of the stuff they release since, whether or not players contributed, it's being released by them, with their name on it.