I was being sarcastic, not sure if that came through, I don't think a company has anything to gain by being asses.ResonanceGames said:The hyperbole is lame, but I understand the sentiment. It sucks when your platform of choice is shat upon (regardless of the responsible party).Snotnarok said:I'm fairly surprised how dumb the fans posting are. Yes valve hates you xbox users, and they're just trying to be assholes.
See also, every DLC that comes out on 360 a month or more before the other releases.
Naw, I got it. I meant I understand the underlying sentiment of the bitchy fans, not that I think Valve are being dicks. It's silly to scream at a company without having all the facts, but it also really sucks when you love a game and, for whatever reason, you're locked out of content other people have.Snotnarok said:I was being sarcastic, not sure if that came through, I don't think a company has anything to gain by being asses.ResonanceGames said:The hyperbole is lame, but I understand the sentiment. It sucks when your platform of choice is shat upon (regardless of the responsible party).Snotnarok said:I'm fairly surprised how dumb the fans posting are. Yes valve hates you xbox users, and they're just trying to be assholes.
See also, every DLC that comes out on 360 a month or more before the other releases.
Yes, you still have to buy the game and it's still in it's original form as far as I know.(I've not played it in so long because it just got boring after a while. That and a majority of the matches available last time I played were hosted by assholes trying to make sure that their team won every time)Evil Smurf said:TF2 on consoles is still not F2P and vanilla right?
Shitty PC? That was the mainreason one of my friends didn't really want to play L4D on his laptop - he bought it during the Steam Sale anyway (the first one)idarkphoenixi said:Not to be an ass but...why would anyone even want to play L4D 2 on the console? PC has mods, custom maps, huge community and so much more. Not to mention Valve puts the damn thing on sale all the time. It's on sale right now as a matter of fact.
I'd hardly call £4 'paying through the nose', y'know.Signa said:I don't want be that guy, but it's hard to feel bad for those complainers since the PC version is going cheaper than the DLC alone will cost right now. Yeah, yeah, I know not everyone has a good PC, but if a few extra day wait is so much of a problem to pay through the nose for something others are getting for free, it might be time to look at upgrading. If you're an avid gamer, the money you save on DLC alone will buy back the cost of the system over the course of its life.
Huh. So I guess people really will try to make just about anything competitive.godofallu said:To anyone who isn't part of the Xbox competitive L4D scene here are some fun/interesting facts.
Oh, I didn't mean specifically L4D2 DLC, but all DLC. What bit I did imply L4D2 in my comment was more based on the fact that the DLC is costing more than the complete game, which is ludicrous merely by comparison. I'd still consider $1 for DLC bad if you could get the game, plus the DLC for $.50.Grouchy Imp said:I'd hardly call £4 'paying through the nose', y'know.Signa said:I don't want be that guy, but it's hard to feel bad for those complainers since the PC version is going cheaper than the DLC alone will cost right now. Yeah, yeah, I know not everyone has a good PC, but if a few extra day wait is so much of a problem to pay through the nose for something others are getting for free, it might be time to look at upgrading. If you're an avid gamer, the money you save on DLC alone will buy back the cost of the system over the course of its life.
Although it's gotta be said that money isn't always the main reason for peoples' choice of platform. I'm typing this on a perfectly serviceable gaming rig (well, apart from my slightly outdated graphics card) and yet I do very little of my gaming on my PC. Of my real world friends only two others have gaming PCs, three have PS3s and the rest, 20+, have 360s. So when a new release comes out - like Borderlands 2 in a few months - of course I'm going to get it for the platform that will keep me in touch with more of my friends. Would I be able to download slightly better texture packs for it if I played on PC? Sure, but I'd have next to none of my friends to play the thing with.
I'll trade graphical quality and mod support for the ability to keep in touch with friends any day of the week.
Fair points. I suppose the argument for/against paid DLC is one that very much depends on the DLC in question and what it brings to the game it supports. Not to beat this particular subject to death but this DLC for L4D2 unlocks all the campaigns from L4D1, essentially providing L4D2 owners with a copy of the first game for less than a fiver when the original game is still on the XBL marketplace for £19.99. So to console gamers it's a good deal by any measure, but I recognize that there are better deals out there for PC gamers.Signa said:Oh, I didn't mean specifically L4D2 DLC, but all DLC. What bit I did imply L4D2 in my comment was more based on the fact that the DLC is costing more than the complete game, which is ludicrous merely by comparison. I'd still consider $1 for DLC bad if you could get the game, plus the DLC for $.50.
And I'm not saying that console don't have their place. Gaming with your friends is important. However, that doesn't mean you get to complain about everything not being perfect to your standards if a better, cheaper options exists. You should expect that you will be making sacrifices, and the guy quoted in the OP forgot that.
If that's really the case - then I have to say "Go, Microsoft" on this one, even as owner of the PC-Version of both games.Grouchy Imp said:Which I'm betting has something to do with Valve wanting to unlock a game for five pounds that Microsoft still wants to sell for twenty, as I mentioned above.
I dunno. As an owner of only the console version of 2, I'm inclined to the view that after four years a game should be less than half price. Still, it's pure speculation on my part. It's much more likely to be something prosaic like port issues.Bindal said:If that's really the case - then I have to say "Go, Microsoft" on this one, even as owner of the PC-Version of both games.Grouchy Imp said:Which I'm betting has something to do with Valve wanting to unlock a game for five pounds that Microsoft still wants to sell for twenty, as I mentioned above.
Release-price of L4D 60$ on console, 50$ on PCGrouchy Imp said:I dunno. As an owner of only the console version of 2, I'm inclined to the view that after four years a game should be less than half price. Still, it's pure speculation on my part. It's much more likely to be something prosaic like port issues.Bindal said:If that's really the case - then I have to say "Go, Microsoft" on this one, even as owner of the PC-Version of both games.Grouchy Imp said:Which I'm betting has something to do with Valve wanting to unlock a game for five pounds that Microsoft still wants to sell for twenty, as I mentioned above.
I don't think anybody would take the other end of that bet, given their one hundred percent track record of delaying patches.connall said:I would be willing to bet money it's Microsoft being a dick. Anyone want to get in on that action?
I'm interested as to why you feel that opening up pre-existing franchise content to new users is in some way a betrayal of the original community. Are the original campaigns to be considered some kind of holy grail us lesser late-comers are not worthy to experience? Of course not. Valve are simply trying to bring their back catalog to new gamers, and that is something which increases brand loyalty. Bonuses for long term fans are all well and good, and are a form of reward I wish more developers would look at, but sometimes you need to throw the newbies a bone too.Bindal said:Release-price of L4D 60$ on console, 50$ on PCGrouchy Imp said:I dunno. As an owner of only the console version of 2, I'm inclined to the view that after four years a game should be less than half price. Still, it's pure speculation on my part. It's much more likely to be something prosaic like port issues.Bindal said:If that's really the case - then I have to say "Go, Microsoft" on this one, even as owner of the PC-Version of both games.Grouchy Imp said:Which I'm betting has something to do with Valve wanting to unlock a game for five pounds that Microsoft still wants to sell for twenty, as I mentioned above.
Current price of L4D 20$ on console and PC, each.
So, it is less than half already. But I am on Microsofts side if that means that the ports take longer to get released (if they ever get) as I feel they are nothing but betray of the L4D1-community in every way imaginable.