Update: Still No New Left 4 Dead 2 DLC for Xbox Players

[Bindal]

Which I'm betting has something to do with Valve wanting to unlock a game for five pounds that Microsoft still wants to sell for twenty, as I mentioned above.

If that's really the case - then I have to say "Go, Microsoft" on this one, even as owner of the PC-Version of both games.

I dunno. As an owner of only the console version of 2, I'm inclined to the view that after four years a game should be less than half price. Still, it's pure speculation on my part. It's much more likely to be something prosaic like port issues.

Release-price of L4D 60$ on console, 50$ on PC
Current price of L4D 20$ on console and PC, each.

So, it is less than half already. But I am on Microsofts side if that means that the ports take longer to get released (if they ever get) as I feel they are nothing but betray of the L4D1-community in every way imaginable.

I'm interested as to why you feel that opening up pre-existing franchise content to new users is in some way a betrayal of the original community. Are the original campaigns to be considered some kind of holy grail us lesser late-comers are not worthy to experience? Of course not. Valve are simply trying to bring their back catalog to new gamers, and that is something which increases brand loyalty. Bonuses for long term fans are all well and good, and are a form of reward I wish more developers would look at, but sometimes you need to throw the newbies a bone too.

You obviously aren't a L4D1-player if you don't understand it. Considering what Valve told the L4D1-community, they did always the exact opposite. And this DLC is basicly the official Fuck you" from them to the community, which to this date recieved NOTHING worth mentioning (Survival-Mode was lacking anything interesting, Crash Course was too short and is still too unbalanced scoring-wise and Sacrifice got ported right away already). Instead, they broke parts of the game and didn't even bother fixing that until half an enternatly later (for example, mappers couldn't properly use Hammer for 18 months. And apparently they didn't fix it for that long because 'nobody told us' - and I call bullshit on that considering that the forum was FULL with that issue.)
So, all they want to do with this DLC is to kill of first game as good as they can - hence I am against this DLC entirely. Because of what it represents.

Also "throw newbies a bone"? For what? A reason to buy an existing game? There are plenty of things they could've done instead.
And don't come with that bullshit "story"-argument, either. THE POINT OF A PREVIOUS GAME IS TO TELL THE STORY PREVIOUSLY HAPPENED! Unless the concept of "predecessor" has been changed from "being a different game".

 

[Grouchy Imp_v1legacy]

I'm interested as to why you feel that opening up pre-existing franchise content to new users is in some way a betrayal of the original community. Are the original campaigns to be considered some kind of holy grail us lesser late-comers are not worthy to experience? Of course not. Valve are simply trying to bring their back catalog to new gamers, and that is something which increases brand loyalty. Bonuses for long term fans are all well and good, and are a form of reward I wish more developers would look at, but sometimes you need to throw the newbies a bone too.

You obviously aren't a L4D1-player if you don't understand it. Considering what Valve told the L4D1-community, they did always the exact opposite. And this DLC is basicly the official Fuck you" from them to the community, which to this date recieved NOTHING worth mentioning (Survival-Mode was lacking anything interesting, Crash Course was too short and is still too unbalanced scoring-wise and Sacrifice got ported right away already). Instead, they broke parts of the game and didn't even bother fixing that until half an enternatly later (for example, mappers couldn't properly use Hammer for 18 months. And apparently they didn't fix it for that long because 'nobody told us' - and I call bullshit on that considering that the forum was FULL with that issue.)
So, all they want to do with this DLC is to kill of first game as good as they can - hence I am against this DLC entirely. Because of what it represents.

Also "throw newbies a bone"? For what? A reason to buy an existing game? There are plenty of things they could've done instead.
And don't come with that bullshit "story"-argument, either. THE POINT OF A PREVIOUS GAME IS TO TELL THE STORY PREVIOUSLY HAPPENED! Unless the concept of "predecessor" has been changed from "being a different game".

Ok, I get that you have particularly strong feelings for this subject, and I have to take what you say re L4D as read since I didn't get into the series until 2, but I still can't agree with you on Valve's decision to open up older games in the series to newer players. When id released Doom 3, they released Doom 1 and 2 as extras on the game disc. Should I, as a veteran Doom junkie, have jumped up and down in rage protesting against newer players being allowed to enjoy for free the experience I had to pay for? No. A hundred times no. I'm glad to see younger gamers being involved in a game that I enjoyed as a kid, and I cannot see for the life of my why you would be against a game - which you clearly are very passionate about - gaining a larger fan base.

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

 

[Bindal]

Ok, I get that you have particularly strong feelings for this subject, and I have to take what you say re L4D as read since I didn't get into the series until 2, but I still can't agree with you on Valve's decision to open up older games in the series to newer players. When id released Doom 3, they released Doom 1 and 2 as extras on the game disc. Should I, as a veteran Doom junkie, have jumped up and down in rage protesting against newer players being allowed to enjoy for free the experience I had to pay for? No. A hundred times no. I'm glad to see younger gamers being involved in a game that I enjoyed as a kid, and I cannot see for the life of my why you would be against a game - which you clearly are very passionate about - gaining a larger fan base.

I think we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this one.

You couldn't pick a more unfitting example, could you? In case of Doom 3, you got the ORIGINAL games, which were several DECADES old when Doom 3 came out. And that's not even for everyone. Not to mention, you still start the original Doom 1 and 2, not addional maps in Doom 3 - you still play the original games.
In this case, you get a FREE DLC (on PC) for EVERYONE and both games don't even have a year between their releases - L4D1 wasn't even one year old when L4D2 came out. They don't "open up" the game, they want to cut off as much as possible from another.
Total different case and not even remotely comparable.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

You couldn't pick a more unfitting example, could you? In case of Doom 3, you got the ORIGINAL games, which were several DECADES old when Doom 3 came out. And that's not even for everyone. Not to mention, you still start the original Doom 1 and 2, not addional maps in Doom 3 - you still play the original games.
In this case, you get a FREE DLC (on PC) for EVERYONE and both games don't even have a year between their releases - L4D1 wasn't even one year old when L4D2 came out. They don't "open up" the game, they want to cut off as much as possible from another.
Total different case and not even remotely comparable.

You're making something that ultimately has nothing to do with you and is your self-inflicted problem out to be some kind of massive slight that everyone else is responsible for and should feel bad about, and then turned around and got personal about it to someone you don't even know, and frankly, it's pretty damn silly.

If this is the most significant thing you have in your life to get this offended by, well, I suppose I'm grateful for you, but you should still freaking relax, because you're being pretty obnoxious over the whole thing.

 

[Bindal]

You couldn't pick a more unfitting example, could you? In case of Doom 3, you got the ORIGINAL games, which were several DECADES old when Doom 3 came out. And that's not even for everyone. Not to mention, you still start the original Doom 1 and 2, not addional maps in Doom 3 - you still play the original games.
In this case, you get a FREE DLC (on PC) for EVERYONE and both games don't even have a year between their releases - L4D1 wasn't even one year old when L4D2 came out. They don't "open up" the game, they want to cut off as much as possible from another.
Total different case and not even remotely comparable.

You're making something that ultimately has nothing to do with you and is your self-inflicted problem out to be some kind of massive slight that everyone else is responsible for and should feel bad about, and then turned around and got personal about it to someone you don't even know, and frankly, it's pretty damn silly.

If this is the most significant thing you have in your life to get this offended by, well, I suppose I'm grateful for you, but you should still freaking relax, because you're being pretty obnoxious over the whole thing.

Actually - it's almost the entire L4D1-Community that thinks that way. Everyone still sticking with the game feels betrayed by Valve and lost trust in them. They fucked up big time and don't even want to admit it - instead, they want to kill of an entire community as it seems just because they don't like another game as much.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

Actually - it's almost the entire L4D1-Community that thinks that way. Everyone still sticking with the game feels betrayed by Valve and lost trust in them. They fucked up big time and don't even want to admit it - instead, they want to kill of an entire community as it seems just because they don't like another game as much.

You've completely missed the point, which was that you don't have to be upset over such a thing, and you're deliberately making yourself so. I hate to keep saying this, but it's a video game; it's not worth getting anywhere near this worked up about it, nor is it automatically justified by "an unconfirmed number of people may or may not agree with me on this". Just let it go.

 

[Bindal]

Actually - it's almost the entire L4D1-Community that thinks that way. Everyone still sticking with the game feels betrayed by Valve and lost trust in them. They fucked up big time and don't even want to admit it - instead, they want to kill of an entire community as it seems just because they don't like another game as much.

You've completely missed the point, which was that you don't have to be upset over such a thing, and you're deliberately making yourself so. I hate to keep saying this, but it's a video game; it's not worth getting anywhere near this worked up about it, nor is it automatically justified by "an unconfirmed number of people may or may not agree with me on this". Just let it go.

I won't let go being treated like shit as consumer - I got right as such and by god I will defend those rights.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

I won't let go being treated like shit as consumer - I got right as such and by god I will defend those rights.

Then you will be angry over nothing, for nothing, and that's a damn shame.

 

[Bindal]

I won't let go being treated like shit as consumer - I got right as such and by god I will defend those rights.

Then you will be angry over nothing, for nothing, and that's a damn shame.

If you think "being treated like shit" is "nothing" then I found the reason why it's going down with socity righ there.

I have right and will defend them - if you don't give a damn, fine. But then don't complain later when everything is broken entirely. I'll be there to say "Told you so" because I wanted to go against it as soon as possible and you didn't.

 

[ReinWeisserRitter]

I won't let go being treated like shit as consumer - I got right as such and by god I will defend those rights.

Then you will be angry over nothing, for nothing, and that's a damn shame.

If you think "being treated like shit" is "nothing" then I found the reason why it's going down with socity righ there.

I have right and will defend them - if you don't give a damn, fine. But then don't complain later when everything is broken entirely. I'll be there to say "Told you so" because I wanted to go against it as soon as possible and you didn't.

I just prefer to choose my battles wisely; paying for a product, getting it, and enjoying it, then throwing a fit like a spoiled, self-entitled child, demanding more and calling it your right, is a fool's battle.

But then, so is trying to convince that child to grow up a bit for their own good, clearly, so I'll quit wasting both our time.

 

[Snotnarok]

I'm fairly surprised how dumb the fans posting are. Yes valve hates you xbox users, and they're just trying to be assholes.

The hyperbole is lame, but I understand the sentiment. It sucks when your platform of choice is shat upon (regardless of the responsible party).

See also, every DLC that comes out on 360 a month or more before the other releases.

I was being sarcastic, not sure if that came through, I don't think a company has anything to gain by being asses.

Naw, I got it. I meant I understand the underlying sentiment of the bitchy fans, not that I think Valve are being dicks. It's silly to scream at a company without having all the facts, but it also really sucks when you love a game and, for whatever reason, you're locked out of content other people have.

Honestly the rage is misdirected probably, MS has a lengthy and costly DLC/patch release system, honestly L4D2 fans are lucky the game got anything given how valve gave up on TF2 for console. I mean there's been over 200 updates for PC so at ..what was it 10k an update they'd have spent 200k trying to keep that thing updated :L

 

[Something Amyss]

I would be willing to bet money it's Microsoft being a dick. Anyone want to get in on that action?

I'm willing to bet they're both being dicks.

 

[Trishbot]

Forget L4D2... I'm still waiting on my Xbox 360 Team Fortress 2 updates!

 

[GamingAwesome1]

Which I'm betting has something to do with Valve wanting to unlock a game for five pounds that Microsoft still wants to sell for twenty, as I mentioned above.

If that's really the case - then I have to say "Go, Microsoft" on this one, even as owner of the PC-Version of both games.

I dunno. As an owner of only the console version of 2, I'm inclined to the view that after four years a game should be less than half price. Still, it's pure speculation on my part. It's much more likely to be something prosaic like port issues.

Release-price of L4D 60$ on console, 50$ on PC
Current price of L4D 20$ on console and PC, each.

So, it is less than half already. But I am on Microsofts side if that means that the ports take longer to get released (if they ever get) as I feel they are nothing but betray of the L4D1-community in every way imaginable.

I'm interested as to why you feel that opening up pre-existing franchise content to new users is in some way a betrayal of the original community. Are the original campaigns to be considered some kind of holy grail us lesser late-comers are not worthy to experience? Of course not. Valve are simply trying to bring their back catalog to new gamers, and that is something which increases brand loyalty. Bonuses for long term fans are all well and good, and are a form of reward I wish more developers would look at, but sometimes you need to throw the newbies a bone too.

You obviously aren't a L4D1-player if you don't understand it.

Yeah, I'm gonna weigh in on this one. I see this attitude predominantly in the dying off L4D1 community and to be honest it's nothing but bitching simply because Valve had the sheer temerity to move on to their more updated installment of the series and not try and update two already similar games in identical ways because that's both inefficient and a great way to split the base, which no-one wants. Not even the players.

All I see is people being all indignant and butthurt about bullshit like Valve "betraying" the L4D1 community. They betrayed no-one, they moved the hell on to the more popular installment of the series and putting the L4D1 campaigns in L4D2 was their saving throw at trying to consolidate the userbases of both games. Hell, they even gave both games the Sacrifice DLC and yet still you're not satisfied, the only thing L4D1 isn't going to have is Cold Stream. And trust me, you ain't missing much.

I never ever like using the gamer entitlement argument but I do seriously think it holds here. They gave us two packs of DLC (whether or not you personally like them is irrelevant, opinions and all that.) of fairly substantial content and then a year later, they released a sequel and it turns out to be more popular so they go and update that in favour of continuing the futile task of trying to keep both afloat at once, even though they tried to anyway by dual releasing Sacrifice and no-one gave a crap and continued bitching at them. You reap what you sow and all that.

It's not betraying your community at all, nevermind the fact that if you haven't moved on to L4D2 at this point when it's this goddamn cheap then you've probably got some sort of irrational hatred of L4D2 which is silly because they are basically identical barring some new additions.

Good bloody riddance to the L4D1 community, those who stayed just became whiny, entitled twats moaning about how Valve doesn't care about what quickly became an antiquated, inferior and overall less popular game. Sleep tight you miserable clingy wankers, and may flights of assholes sing thee to thy rest.