Update: Xi3 Opens "Piston" Steam Box Pre-Orders
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if you go for RAID, then you need to apply the same for the SSD(s).Laughing Man said:
Even if most people don't know what RAID actually is (apart from an MMO term, heh), don't just throw claims around.
also the problem that the given SSD is hella slow, too.
So basically it's a $500 PC that you're paying $1000 for.
"I CAN SET $500 ON FIRE? WHERE DO I SIGN UP GUYS?"
"I CAN SET $500 ON FIRE? WHERE DO I SIGN UP GUYS?"
Marketing doesn't make something so. The Xbox is very purely a game console. The focus on porting is a positive trait, but it doesn't make it a PC.Austin Manning said:
A lot of people don't want to put in the effort to learn how to mod a PC, or what to look for in a good PC. They just want to buy a thing and play games on it.Austin Manning said:
That's fair. I'm sure this system is great for some people. I'm just not sure how big the "I want a portable PC, but not a laptop, and I don't mind lugging around a keyboard and mouse" market is.mateushac said:
Sure, the market for it is VERY niche, but my original comment was specifically about the pricing, which is pretty fair when compared to a laptop (and allowing for a little bit of overpricing due to the whole market pioneering thing)ClockworkUniverse said:
EDIT: Also, it's not like carrying a mouse/keyboard is any more cumbersome than carrying a gaming laptop.
I need mechanical hard drive. I have 5 terabytes of storage, it's nearly full.Steven Bogos said:I'm not calling you a liar but I find this very hard to believe. Overwhelming evidence supports SSD's being considerably faster than mechanical drives. Even the best mechanical drive caps out at 120 MB/S while modest SSD's are around 300 MB/s. That's a huge difference. There is most likely some kind of fault somewhere in your system. There is no way your windows is loading faster on a mechanical drive than an SSDMrPeanut said:Funny, I got an SSD, timed it in comparison to my mechanical drive.Steven Bogos said:
Games are all the same, windows actually loads faster from a mechanical drive.
And I can assure you it was not a faulty drive
SSD's are still pitifully small in size for my needs. When games are now 15 gigs or more, and you have a steam library of 400+ games SSD's are just too small, IMO.
this isn't the valve steam box, the author is being very misleading to make the story more interesting, this is a form factor PC that's going to be utilizing the steam format, now does that just mean the big screen function or the whole kit i doesn't say.jebbo said:
and people in general need to get alot smarter about console costs. consoles are always sold at a loss the idea is they massively over charge per game bought to recoup that loss.
if i were to replicate my library on console my 2k high end gaming pc would be about 3-4k cheaper than a ps3/4
As to what the steambox or the range of products falling under the umbrella do or are no one knows yet we haven't seen one but i think its pretty unlikely they would go in competition of the current consoles, the loss leader console make it back on licences wont really work because steam box games will be 30 bucks more than the pc version.
i would expect valve to follow the same type of practice they always do my complete guess is something like buy the steambox for XXX and you get 100 games of your choice free. it fits their model accounts for their strength and would blow the competition out of the water price wise.
Alienware is a poor comparson choicemateushac said:
like apple they overcharge and under preform in terms of performance. You are better off comparing it to a high end dell,because they are the same thing(Dell owns AW),it's just cheaper and less LED's.
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The problem is
A. Most people who want a computer can get a better one for cheeper(build it or buy it)
B. People who want a console are not gona spend more then the TV they will hook this thing up to.
C. it has non of the side functionally(typeing program,printer, outer games,work,ecd) of a computer for all the cost
IMO this thing is gonna bomb hard unless they drop the price way down. At it's current price I just don't see a market for this.
Probably the best point in favor of this thing. It's crazy portable. I could see a few people getting a lot of use out of something so smallThe Plunk said:
This is a pretty ridiculous screwup on these guy's part. I mean, seriously, expecting people too shell out a thousand bucks before they've even told us what sort of GPU the thing has?. It could have an Nvidia 8600 in it for all we know. Besides that, the thing is just overpriced as it is, I understand wanting too make a novelty top range mini-computer but this is not the way in my opinion.
Without more detailed specs I don't think we can draw any conclusions on value for money.
There is a PC graphics card on the market right now that costs $1000 all on its own.
There is a PC graphics card on the market right now that costs $1000 all on its own.
Yes it is. Mind you, some game developer allowed pre-orders on an unrevealed game recently, so go figure.mdqp said:
Exactly. The smaller you make a PC, the more expensive it gets.The Plunk said:
Okay, so it's going to be about as expensive as a normal computer of the same specs. Erm... what was the point of this again?
They are also far more reliable than solid state drives. I'd take reliability, low cost, and more storage over an (marginal) improvement of data transfer speed any day.Evil Smurf said:
I can buy a more powerful PC for less. I can also do a lot more with that 1k PC than this Steam Box. Case in point
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227444 (It just might explode on you or be the wrong computer entirely, or be put together wrong, or anything else really, but shit, what do you want for 700 bucks?)
I do like the name though. It's powered by Steam and is called Piston, that's just perfect.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883227444 (It just might explode on you or be the wrong computer entirely, or be put together wrong, or anything else really, but shit, what do you want for 700 bucks?)
I do like the name though. It's powered by Steam and is called Piston, that's just perfect.
I think in this case it is the size of the object.Ironman126 said:
As SSD are smaller and if you are designing the SSD yourself, as there are no moving parts, you could make it fit diffidently on your mini computer.
Also Judging by the back of this thing they fully expect people to hook an external up to it.
Actually that the opposite, an SSD is more reliable since it got no mechanical part, SSD tend to die very early or at their maximum write durability, HD just tend to fail randomly. So basically just put an SSD into test reliability for a week or two to check if can be integrated. With HD there no point beyond a double pass check, has anything beyond a bad unit is just random.Ironman126 said:
What a hard drive got is more endurance, has an SSD got a limited number of write possible, while a HD is pretty much unlimited until the mechanical part fail or degrade beyond usability. But that usually beyond the care of consumer, has most don't have enough disk and/or a high enough I/O to disk for endurance to be a buying point.
Everyone should keep in mind, that these are 'early adopter' prices. Like all releases in technology, prices will get more reasonable for your average consumer as popularity increases. Remember how much an LCD TV cost you back in the day?
I see a large amount of potential on a pre-built, Valve-supported turnkey PC. If they can eventually bring in down to console prices, a single, predictable architecture would be a much better way to develop games.
I see a large amount of potential on a pre-built, Valve-supported turnkey PC. If they can eventually bring in down to console prices, a single, predictable architecture would be a much better way to develop games.
So this and Steambox are just computers for your living room specialized for gaming but can be modified and upgraded like a PC. Makes sense to me. Would be cool if it just ran steam without a need for windows and all the usual requirements of games through windows were somehow intact.