US 2024 Presidential Election

gorfias

Unrealistic but happy
Legacy
May 13, 2009
7,370
1,958
118
Country
USA
Because they're not lies.

"Suckers and losers" is disputed, but there are multiple present sources for it-- and it's 100% in keeping with his language/views. "Very fine people" is unambiguously true.
Don't recall anyone saying they were there, on the record, not anonymous, and that Trump said it. So, fake news.


EDIT: This too. Seems to be stating that haters can make up anything they want about you and dare YOU to prove it didn't happen. Not a standard for truth.


"Very fine people" : no way you're getting me to believe he was referring to ANTIFA. Unlikely in the extreme he meant, at the time, KKK/Nazis and maybe some neutrals? But if you needed it, he went out to clarify what he said and then specifically denounced white supremacy.

@Agema You were writing of Trump being an extreme narcissist. Sadly, I read too often that leaders are often that and worse.


I think that likely true of other top people including Kamala. They can still be high functioning.
 
Last edited:

Silvanus

Elite Member
Legacy
Jan 15, 2013
12,035
6,341
118
Country
United Kingdom
Don't recall anyone saying they were there, on the record, not anonymous, and that Trump said it. So, fake news.



Why the hell would I trust "GOP.com"? Former Chief of Staff Mark Kelly (who accompanied Trump) corroborated the statements-- of course, Trump and other GOP toadies denied it afterwards. Hence we have something disputed, unproven, but corroborated by multiple first-hand sources.

"Very fine people" : no way you're getting me to believe he was referring to ANTIFA. Unlikely in the extreme he meant, at the time, KKK/Nazis and maybe some neutrals.
He was referring specifically to members of a white supremacist protest. This is not a lie. I've seen it, in context. He's talking about white supremacists. You're bending over backwards to create a non-credible interpretation that lets him off the hook, solely because you like him. But anyone honest knows what he said-- it's clear as day.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

gorfias

Unrealistic but happy
Legacy
May 13, 2009
7,370
1,958
118
Country
USA
Why the hell would I trust "GOP.com"? Former Chief of Staff Mark Kelly (who accompanied Trump) corroborated the statements-- of course, Trump and other GOP toadies denied it afterwards. Hence we have something disputed, unproven, but corroborated by multiple first-hand sources.
This is the closest I've come to corroborating your view on France and "Suckers and Losers" so far:



" The Atlantic article also described Trump’s 2018 visit to France for the centennial anniversary of the end of World War I, where, according to several senior staff members, Trump said he did not want to visit the graves of American soldiers buried in the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery near Paris because, “Why should I go to that cemetery? It’s filled with losers.” During that same trip to France, the article reported, Trump said the 1,800 US Marines killed in the Belleau Wood were “suckers” for getting killed. "


Seems at no time does Kelly actually state he heard Trump make this statement. Then this story goes back to the anonymous BS: "according to several senior staff members". What members!?!? Not Kelly. Maybe that is why the Snope link I gave you holds that you still have nothing but anonymous sources on this.
" In other words, Kelly, who was with Trump in Paris, confirmed that Trump did call American troops "losers" and "suckers," though it was unclear whether he witnessed the comments firsthand or heard about them from someone else, or from news reports."

Also, Zach Fuentes ..., " said, "I did not hear POTUS call anyone losers when I told him about the weather. Honestly, do you think General Kelly would have stood by and let ANYONE call fallen Marines losers?"

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/donald-trump-call-troops-suckers-losers/

"I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and white supremacists" - Trump in literally the same statement
Thank you. And if he had been talking both sides, the other side was ANTIFA. No way I'm believing he meant to call them very fine people either.
 

Silvanus

Elite Member
Legacy
Jan 15, 2013
12,035
6,341
118
Country
United Kingdom
" In other words, Kelly, who was with Trump in Paris, confirmed that Trump did call American troops "losers" and "suckers,"
Cool. So, you can disbelieve it or assume he was extrapolating or whatever, but at least one person who was definitely on the trip has corroborated it. And the reports claim at least 4 sources for the two separate statements.

Given how very much in keeping this is with Trump's other statements and views, i find it not difficult at all to credit.

"I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and white supremacists" - Trump in literally the same statement
Thank you. And if he had been talking both sides, the other side was ANTIFA. No way I'm believing he meant to call them very fine people either.
Uh-huh, but the protest to which he was referring was a white supremacist one. So this is equivalent to him saying "they weren't white supremacists" when we know they were.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

Hades

Elite Member
Mar 8, 2013
2,244
1,697
118
Country
The Netherlands
"I'm not talking about the neo-nazis and white supremacists" - Trump in literally the same statement
Great, but its called unite the right. The people who weren't white supremacists or nazis? Who were they coming to unit with? Why didn't they kick the nazis and white supremacists out? Not to mention that coming to celebrate a champion of slavery is already not a good look.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

tstorm823

Elite Member
Legacy
Aug 4, 2011
7,147
968
118
Country
USA
Uh-huh, but the protest to which he was referring was a white supremacist one. So this is equivalent to him saying "they weren't white supremacists" when we know they were.
Was every single person there that day a white supremacist?
 

Trunkage

Nascent Orca
Legacy
Jun 21, 2012
9,022
3,027
118
Brisbane
Gender
Cyborg
Was every single person there that day a white supremacist?
No. By the looks of things about 10 to 20% were self- identified white supremacist

But then, the reason why it was a white supremacist march was because it was organised by a white supremacist to turn non- supremacist into supremacist

When these people talk about 'uniting', it isn't actually about uniting. It's about forcing others to believing as they do
 
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

tstorm823

Elite Member
Legacy
Aug 4, 2011
7,147
968
118
Country
USA
But then, the reason why it was a white supremacist march was because it was organised by a white supremacist to turn non- supremacist into supremacist
Is it likely they turned anyone, more or less everyone who came to the rally?
 

Silvanus

Elite Member
Legacy
Jan 15, 2013
12,035
6,341
118
Country
United Kingdom
Was every single person there that day a white supremacist?
Nope. But everyone attending the Unite the Right rally-- one of the 'sides' to which he referred as containing very fine people-- was either a white nationalist/supremacist, or was happy to associate with them and march alongside swastikas, valknuts, klan symbols and confederate flags.
 
  • Like
Reactions: BrawlMan

gorfias

Unrealistic but happy
Legacy
May 13, 2009
7,370
1,958
118
Country
USA
Cool. So, you can disbelieve it or assume he was extrapolating or whatever, but at least one person who was definitely on the trip has corroborated it. And the reports claim at least 4 sources for the two separate statements.
Oh dear. They need a thumbs down on this forum! LOL!
Finally, can you believe Shoe on Head is back!?!? Been too long!

 

Kwak

Elite Member
Sep 11, 2014
2,319
1,857
118
Country
4
The brain melting stupidity of republicans....
He literally paid to fuck a porn star.

1722665642841.png
 

Agema

Do everything and feel nothing
Legacy
Mar 3, 2009
9,201
6,476
118
The brain melting stupidity of republicans....
He literally paid to fuck a porn star.
But that was before his conversion. Now he's seen the light of Jebus, and isn't a sex pest any more.
 

tstorm823

Elite Member
Legacy
Aug 4, 2011
7,147
968
118
Country
USA
Nope. But everyone attending the Unite the Right rally-- one of the 'sides' to which he referred as containing very fine people-- was either a white nationalist/supremacist, or was happy to associate with them and march alongside swastikas, valknuts, klan symbols and confederate flags.
Do you think everyone there who defended the statue of Robert E Lee marched with them?