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How many other Trump nominees have sexual assault (or related) accusations against them? Pete Hegseth, RFK Jr. & Linda McMahon all do.
Its genius! They can’t use the excuse of Trump being a rapist to turn on him if they’re all either confirmed or suspected rapists themselves
 
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Ah, already at the deflection phase. All out of arguments already

Alrighty, what do you think I said about abortions?
You're just throwing out random shit that isn't true like concentration camps, I'm not responding to that level of hyperbole and exaggeration. Then you go on about the economy when that wasn't neither president's fault and it mainly stemmed from covid. Notice how I never made fun of Bidenomics or anything because he inherit an economy not even a year into covid. Biden handled covid worse than Trump, he made an unconstitutional vaccine mandate, which is causing general vaccine hesitancy for all other vaccines. Biden pressured the FDA to approve boosters and forced 2 top officials to retire, just imagine if Trump did this, you guys wouldn't stop talking about that.

You are massively wrong about the following:
The ONLY medical procedure that isn't covered by privacy is abortion. It needs to be restored
 

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You're just throwing out random shit that isn't true like concentration camps, I'm not responding to that level of hyperbole and exaggeration. Then you go on about the economy when that wasn't neither president's fault and it mainly stemmed from covid. Notice how I never made fun of Bidenomics or anything because he inherit an economy not even a year into covid. Biden handled covid worse than Trump, he made an unconstitutional vaccine mandate, which is causing general vaccine hesitancy for all other vaccines. Biden pressured the FDA to approve boosters and forced 2 top officials to retire, just imagine if Trump did this, you guys wouldn't stop talking about that.
Absolutely not

You are equating what Nazi concentration camps as actual concentration camps. The Nazi version were only ever called that because they had no idea of the holocaust was happening and just called them for what they thought they were. The Nazis took things to a whole new level

Trump did normal concentration camps and, like most camps like this, thousands died

Do you think Trump hasn't forced officials out of jobs because they didn't tow the line? His administration was a revolving door because he kept firing people. It's why he has so many GOP political enemies

Trump made innumerable laws that were unconstitutional. In fact, it would be easier to count how many laws he created that were constitutional

Biden was a bad president. Trump also did everyone worse and at a higher rate

You are massively wrong about the following:
Nah, I was right. You, of all people and your stance on the vaccines, should think that medical confidentiality should be important. It's funny how it just disappear once it's something you like. It's almost like your opposition to vaccines are based on nothing but identity politics
 
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Absolutely not

You are equating what Nazi concentration camps as actual concentration camps. The Nazi version were only ever called that because they had no idea of the holocaust was happening and just called them for what they thought they were. The Nazis took things to a whole new level

Trump did normal concentration camps and, like most camps like this, thousands died

Do you think Trump hasn't forced officials out of jobs because they didn't tow the line? His administration was a revolving door because he kept firing people. It's why he has so many GOP political enemies

Trump made innumerable laws that were unconstitutional. In fact, it would be easier to count how many laws he created that were constitutional

Biden was a bad president. Trump also did everyone worse and at a higher rate


Nah, I was right. You, of all people and your stance on the vaccines, should think that medical confidentiality should be important. It's funny how it just disappear once it's something you like. It's almost like your opposition to vaccines are based on nothing but identity politics
You're just saying things without any citations or facts, Trump did not have concentration camps.

You don't understand, it's not about medical confidentiality, every medical procedure is confidential. It's about certain things being allowed/not allowed based on right to privacy. 2 top athletes in the last year had to go to Europe for procedures that weren't allowed in the US. Abortion isn't anything special or unique (or as you said, one of a kind) for medical procedures in America.
 

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To be clear, he was investigated by law enforcement and they dropped the case.
And this is where I get off. You have been a proponents of many subsequent investigations that have already been dropped by other authorities... Or sometimes the same authority. The one at the top of my head is anything to do with Hunter Biden. But there has been plenty. Like Bill Clinton, Epstein and Bill Crosby, multiple investigations are needed to reveal the truth. Other times, stuff is just made up
 

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And this is where I get off. You have been a proponents of many subsequent investigations that have already been dropped by other authorities... Or sometimes the same authority. The one at the top of my head is anything to do with Hunter Biden. But there has been plenty. Like Bill Clinton, Epstein and Bill Crosby, multiple investigations are needed to reveal the truth. Other times, stuff is just made up
The only one of those you've seen me talk about is Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden was charged for a bunch of crimes, some of which had video evidence, I'm not sure how that is comparable.
 

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Bend the knee! That said, I actually want Trump to start demanding it be done literally.
I can't help notizing that, in typical Trump fashion, he promises/threats to use other peoples' money to achieve his goals. I am also pretty sure that is far from willing to personally bankroll all the various stupid Trump policies.
 

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They are people, you can't run from this. Future generations will look at you with disgust for continuing to pretend otherwise in the age of modern medicine.
Appealing to the opinion of "future generations" is rather akin to appealing to god(s): effectively meaningless. Although at least future generations are going to exist (short of a spectacular cataclysm), which is more than can be said for deities.

"People"? This is just another way of saying "multiple human beings", and as before, this definition is extraordinarily vague. This is more an issue of philosophy than it is one of modern medicine, although medicine establishes a number of facts that contribute to the issue. For instance that fetuses under 24 weeks do not have a functioning nervous system and so cannot think, feel, dream, hope. Given this lack of sentience, they are plainly lacking key characteristics of extreme importance and value when we consider issues like "personhood".
 

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Appealing to the opinion of "future generations" is rather akin to appealing to god(s): effectively meaningless. Although at least future generations are going to exist (short of a spectacular cataclysm), which is more than can be said for deities.

"People"? This is just another way of saying "multiple human beings", and as before, this definition is extraordinarily vague. This is more an issue of philosophy than it is one of modern medicine, although medicine establishes a number of facts that contribute to the issue. For instance that fetuses under 24 weeks do not have a functioning nervous system and so cannot think, feel, dream, hope. Given this lack of sentience, they are plainly lacking key characteristics of extreme importance and value when we consider issues like "personhood".
You think my definitions are meaningless, you think my arguments are effectively superstitious, and then your very serious argument is that "a fetus doesn't hope, so we can kill it." Do you really not see how much future generations are going to resent you for saying things like this?
 

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You think my definitions are meaningless, you think my arguments are effectively superstitious, and then your very serious argument is that "a fetus doesn't hope, so we can kill it." Do you really not see how much future generations are going to resent you for saying things like this?
The rather more important factors are that it neither thinks nor feels. Unless you're a vegan, your diet causes infinitely more suffering than abortions. After all, that's what it's about, suffering: it is the governing principle, not life. Not least because just about anyone who wants to tout that whole "sanctity of life" line will inevitably turn out to be a hypocrite in terms of all the other areas that they choose to place life behind some other value.

And hey, having brought up livestock farming, if climate change makes a mess of the world, I can also assure you that future generations will be wildly more pissed off with that than abortions, and given our respective views I think it'll be you up for their resentment much more than me.
 
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After all, that's what it's about, suffering: it is the governing principle, not life.
I believe tstorm has quite explicitly said he considers the reduction of suffering to be a hedonistic pursuit, and that (exclusively human) life for him is indeed the overriding concern, even if it has zero thought or feeling or awareness.

None of this makes any sense unless you start factoring in magical entities who happen to feel the same way he does and whose priorities are objectively correct.