US 2024 Presidential Election

[tstorm823]

After all, that's what it's about, suffering: it is the governing principle, not life.

I believe tstorm has quite explicitly said he considers the reduction of suffering to be a hedonistic pursuit.

It's not "a hedonistic pursuit", it's not an insult or euphemism, it's actual hedonism that Agema is expressing. Hedonism is the idea that the determinant of moral goodness, the governing principle you might say, is maximizing pleasure and minimizing pain.

It is not only me the puts life and death above pleasure and pain in the moral hierarchy, it's nearly every moral philosophy that would care to comment except that one.

 

[Schadrach]

that (exclusively human) life for him is indeed the overriding concern, even if it has zero thought or feeling or awareness.

It doesn't matter that it is capable of thoughts or feelings, but it is vitally important that it is part of a diploid cell line. The very instant that two haploid cell lines merge to be a single diploid line is the key event that gives worth or value to human life. Mostly because the number of haploid cells that do not achieve even that becomes incredibly unwieldy to even consider and would make everyone a serial killer, even those that followed his every religious tenet in exacting detail and that makes that line of thought untenable.

None of this makes any sense unless you start factoring in magical entities who happen to feel the same way he does and whose priorities are objectively correct.

Which is usually the case for the pro-life - it's not about anything but religious faith, at the core. It's just a bigger, weirder map vs territory problem than most, largely because most of the map is from the bronze age and there is great psychological pain tied with admitting it isn't precisely correct.

And exactly what everyone expected.

Special counsel Jack Smith moves to drop Trump election case citing 'categorical' DOJ policy

Special counsel Jack Smith has moved to dismiss his federal election interference case against President-elect Donald Trump due to a long-standing Justice Department policy that bars the prosecution of a sitting president.

abc7ny.com

Hopefully he's moving to dismiss without prejudice so it can be picked up again in four years, presuming Trump still lives. That's the main advantage of moving to dismiss now rather than waiting for Trump's DOJ to move to dismiss with prejudice on day one. I don't *think* Trump's DOJ can add a retroactive "with prejudice" to a case that's already dismissed...

 

[Silvanus]

It's not "a hedonistic pursuit", it's not an insult or euphemism, it's actual hedonism that Agema is expressing. Hedonism is the idea that the determinant of moral goodness, the governing principle you might say, is maximizing pleasure and minimizing pain.

It is not only me the puts life and death above pleasure and pain in the moral hierarchy, it's nearly every moral philosophy that would care to comment except that one.

Most secular moral philosophies don't impose any sort of hierarchical list of priorities.

And certainly very few (except for the supernatural-reliant ones such as yours) would explicitly value the existence of an unfeeling cell clump over the quality of life of a sentient person.

I'm a utilitarian. I don't identify with hedonism. But you're welcome to keep mischaracterising your opponents if you like-- why stop now?