TBH, I feel if he doesn't get the rules changed to allow for a 3rd term, and/or allows a reasonable free and fair election, we're pretty lucky.
US 2024 Presidential Election
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I think you may be misunderstanding my point. I'm not arguing that Trump or the incoming government will respect international law.
I'm saying that if servicemen defy orders on the grounds that they're illegal under international law rather than American law, there's a valid question over whether they still receive protection for doing so.
Have Democrats tried not being Diet Republicans? Maybe they'd get more votes if every time they're in charge, they actually did something with their power besides block progressives from enacting wildly popular policies. But I'm sure it's a coincidence that when Democrats are in charge, all the cool shit they promise suddenly stops being talked about and when Republicans are in charge, Democrats are tripping over themselves to cooperate to make sure Republicans get what they want...
But I forgot that Democrats can't fail, only can be failed by the voters.
While that is true, the Democrat leadership is unlikely to be reading this thread, so it's not much use trying to convince them that they were in the wrong.
(If the Dem leaders are reading this thread, I will say that if Trump decides to overreach his power and lock you all up, that's technically a bad thing, but not undeserved for reasons unrelated to why he would so that)
The voters put the Republicans in power. This is all your collective fault, not the Democrats fault.
And no matter how much the Democrats were not left enough for your taste, the current events clearly demonstate high "Reps and Dems are basically the same and it doesn't matter who wins" has always been extremely wrong.
There's enough blame to go around. The Dems absolutely should not be evil, even when they aren't against someone like Trump. But the Dems being evil isn't a reason to have the even worse Trump in power, true.
Don't think he could manage that, 2/3 majorities in both houses of Congress and 3/4 of state legislatures signing off on it is the bar required. Or SCOTUS outright ignoring the plain language of a constitutional amendment entirely. Love them or hate them for recent decisions, but they haven't resorted to doing that yet.
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By that logic though, why are any of us even bothering to speak to each other? No one in this dying site has any actual power. I could convince every single one of you that voting Third Party is the way to Revolution (or you could all convince those of us on Team Third Party to bend the knee to The Democrats) and it wouldn't make any difference in any way, shape, or form...
Yes yes, Democrats can't fail, only The Voters can fail The Democrats. We've already been through that song and dance.
Through inaction (either through gross incompetence or if you believe as I do, they're both on the Team Corporations and War so they only exist to stop real progress), The Democrats are continuing to fail to get people to vote for them. If they did even 1/2 of the things they really cry when they're not in power, I don't think they'd ever lose an election ever again but instead they scream at the top of their lungs about all the cool shit they're gonna do when they get into power and then shut the hell up and send another $8B to Israel so they can keep doing a genocide on our dime.
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Trump is going to be a lame-duck president for the next 4 years. The only reason republicans cared about Trump was because he's electable and now he's no longer electable. Anything Trump tries to push through Congress that the republicans think will be bad for them for the next election cycle, they will vote against. Sure, Trump can do executive order stuff but the next admin can just undo all that.
They're also failing miserably so I guess we're all stuck with Trump and Republicans until the party with actual power to do stuff gets off their asses and does more than just another $20 Trillion to Israel since we're only allowed to have two parties in this country.
Trump is your President again. What do you expect ? That the former President makes some scandal at a state funeral ? After the Americans as a whole decided that Trump is exactly what they want for a country and gave him all the legitimacy he needs ?
Then it goes back to my question I asked ages ago
Either the Democrats don't actually believe Trump is the next Hitler and everything they say are just straight up lies or they believe everything they said about him but don't care to do anything about it and are getting buddy buddy with Hitler 2.0
And I'm not sure which is worse...
(Though granted, I already think about 9/10 of what all politicians say are lies so I suppose if Option 1 is correct, it doesn't really affect my worldview)
Trump has won. There is no way to stop him now aside from coup and assassination. (Which normal people, including nearly all politicians, won't touch) It doesn't really matter how bad Trump is, the fight over and lost. So i am not exactly surprised or disappointed from Democrats trying to wheather the storm instead of painting targets on themself for the coming abuse of the justice department.
Obviously, the democrats don't and it's bullshit because if they really felt Trump is Hitler:
1) They would have run someone other than Biden or Harris, they have to have better candidates.
2) The other better democratic candidates wouldn't be setting themselves up for 2028 (since there's not gonna be an election).
Stop Trump from what? He's a lame-duck president.
For someone with no faith in the Democrates you seem to have a lot of faith the Democrates could win if only they wanted to. But disregarding the Democrates sucking, this wave of right-wing extremism has been spreading throughout Europe as well. And politics here aren't as binary as 'Well, I don't like this party so my only choice is this fascist party' - people in the West are actively choosing the politicians that are feeding into their (racist and bigoted) spite and anger.
I don't believe in all these political established parties coincidentally failing at the same time that's making people vote for racist political parties, when (in Europe at least) there's actually a fair amount of leftwing parties to choose from.
Ah but there's several instances of left wing victories. Mexico is the first that comes to mind, they kept their right wing from taking power by... raising wages, improving worker protections, and fighting corruption. The left wing in France has twice now spited both the center and right and kept them from doing what they want. A lot of the left wing failures in Europe have been of more center left groups or because of some other rot unique to a situation. The UK is the odd duck out by having their center sabotage their left and survive nearly a decade of right wing rule so the center could limp across the finish line ahead.
I have "faith" in the Democrats because I'm forced to have faith in the Democrats. As this election has very clearly shown us, when both options are complete and utter horse shit, people STILL refuse to vote Third Party. So my hand is forced to try to get The Democrats to stop being shit because they're the only option that I get to have.
I'd much much much much much much much rather have The Democrats burn to the ground so that an actual Left Wing can rise up in their place but since that seems pretty damn unlikely, I'm stuck having to keep hammering them and hoping they eventually figure their shit out.
I've said this before and I'll say it again in response to your bottom part. It is certainly not impossible that Republicans and what they're doing IS what everyone wants (or at least enough of everyone's that it wins). But...just once...for a fun little experiment...the Democrats should ACTUALLY try to push through shit like M4A, programs for the homeless (no, not those programs Newsom where you just go into their tents and steal all their shit so calm down), social safety nets, stop throwing all of the money at cops, etc just to see what happens. Maybe just give doing the cool shit Democrats claim they represent for once and see what happens. For fun.
Denmark seems to be doing good too, I think.
Still, this many countries in Europe (along with Canada from the looks of things) going right-wing in the face of political turmoil, completely ignoring the Left, speaks volumes to me. Maybe America is a unique case, in which the Democrates screwed up so bad that MAGA snatched them up, but to me it reads no different than what's happening in Europe.