Vote green, and get everyone you know to vote green. They are Not Trump, believe in racial justice, a green transition, and an end to genocide.
US 2024 Presidential Election
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I make no promises on this. Green I might go for next time, but definitely not this year. My family is going to be a much tougher sell. They know the green party exists and have nothing against them, but pretty much everyone in my family is voting Democrat or have always been Democrat.
I honestly think this might be the big one in terms of elections, if the Republicans don't win this there seem to be a fairly real chance that they'll either turn on themselves and render the party completely useless for the forseeable future, do something so extreme that they will be kicked to the kerb in the most epic, and deserved, manner possible, or, if Trump passes before the next election, splinter into facitons rallied behind various loons thus rendering them incapable of forming a proper opposition party.
A chance at actually winning the election?
That's going to be a long list I would have to get through. For at least my immediate family, Democratic has done more than enough for them. My brother does have some dislike of certain parts of the Democratic party, but not enough for him to change parties or Green. For all of them, it's a chance to win and have a better future.
How?
That doesn't sound very strong. Stronger than a lot of arguments, but it's still worth remembering that the country wasn't founded with the democrats and republicans. Parties cycle through with the whims of the voters, voting for what is good by their estimation. If democrats can't offer anything than brand loyalty over another party, and has notably drawbacks, they should be discarded.
For my mom and dad, at least it's more than brand loyalty. The same applies to all four of us. All of us are more than aware of our history. For a record, my parents did grow up in the civil rights era. My dad is from Alabama. Keep that in mind.
Wild that you guys are badgering someone who's stance is "I'm voting for the party/candidate that best represents my values and policy priorities" because it's not one of the big two. Doubling down, the man has not once expressed theres no point, or that his vote doesn't matter. In fact his point is that his vote matters incredibly, and he will choose it carefully to align with his values, not to oppose someone elses. What a broken system and broken culture propping it up.
Sorry @tippy2k2
Sorry @tippy2k2
I never implied or said that. I just said his lack of voting gives Republicans the advantage, because that's what happened last time when they won. They got what they wanted back in 2016. I respect tippy2k2 for sticking to his values, but his lack of voting will have consequences.
I'm a lefty on Twitter, I'm more than used to people yelling at me
Given he has expressed every intention of voting, you are saying that. Exactly that. That a vote that isn't for the dems against the republicans is a wasted vote.
That's fair. But that is brand loyalty. The dems did fight for civil rights... 60 years ago. And of course I'm not saying they do literally actually nothing, but in the modern day, do they have that same energy they had 60 years ago? I'd say no, not even close. Not remotely overall. Maybe pockets here and there, the Walz pick was a smart one. But Walz is what a conservative democrat should be, not the plea to the left flank. If you want that kind of radical energy the civil rights movement had, that's in the hands of the greens now, not the dems.
And you're just putting words in my mouth. Please read my actual statements next time. If he's voting Green, that it's fine by me. If I missed that statement, then it's my fault alone. At least his vote is are not going to waste. I'll take that over not voting at all.
My parents just don't solely rely on the Democratic party. They don't expect to get everything done and make sure to do their own part as well, and as many others in the black community. They reach out to other places and organizations
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What are you talking about? You're too far down the rabbit hole.
I meant socially for the country moving progressive.
What "entitlements" exactly?
Democrats did repeal the Glass-Steagall Act.
Isn't it progressive to want the US to stop policing the globe (as System of a Down put it 20 years ago)?
Hence why I own and not rent, owning is literally cheaper per month (let alone in the long run).
The following would be a good thing, the public sector is allowed to do that but not the private.
“[Congress should] allow employees in the private sector the ability to choose between receiving time-and-a-half pay or accumulating time-and-a-half paid time off.”
With all of what you said (that I don't disagree much with), why are you guys voting for either party? I'm not voting for Trump or Harris, nor do I vote for Ds/Rs unless they are the only 2 that I can vote for.
Indeed, which is correct. And that's the point here, to not just vote green, but convince others to as well. 60 years ago all that building went around the democrat party because they were in a position to be influenced. That's no longer the case though.
I heard you the first time. My parents are stuck in their own ways and I highly doubt they'll switch over.
Fundamentally, the point of politics is to do stuff with the countrry. Taking power is a prerequisite to doing stuff.
Within voting, there is room to "make a statement", and statements can have utility because they can push opinions and drive changes in what's done. However, because elections decide who takes power and thus what gets done, practical outcomes of elections are a very big deal. If one believes strongly in a cause, one should probably try to move the dial in a way most advantageous (or least disadvantageous) to that cause. Choosing to make a statement rather than the best outcomes at a critical election holds particular risks.
He let Keith Ellison prosecute George Floyd's police killer. Imagine any other governor doing that. Stock market crashes happen constantly, but they aren't as bad as tariff-induced depressions like the 1930s or tariff-led wars like World War II.
How much is Tim Walz’s net worth?
Unlike many politicians, Walz has not written a book and doesn’t own stock or real estate.www.newsnationnow.com
The irony is even though he introduced the STOCK Act signed into law by the Obama Admin, we yet again find ourselves in the verge of another world market crash twelves years later. Nothing changes. The elite only find alternative paths to increasing their wealth, and it happens regardless of political affiliations.
Since “weird” is a new catch phrase of sorts now -
Despite new criticism, Trump told Walz in 2020 he was 'very happy' with his handling of George Floyd protests
Allies of Donald Trump are slamming VP candidate Tim Walz for his handling of riots in the wake of George Floyd’s murder -- but Trump expressed his support at the time.abcnews.go.com
Another irony of course with Minnesota being the state where George Floyd was killed.
Presidential Candidate Kamala Harris’ VP Pick Established a George Floyd Remembrance Day in Minnesota
Vice President Kamala Harris, the presumptive Democratic nominee for President of the United States, has selected Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz as her vice-presidential running mate, now establishing the full ticket to run against former President Donald Trump and Sen. J. D. Vance (R-Ohio) in the Nov...www.minorityreporter.net
The Obamas approve of and likely even encouraged the pick -
“By selecting Tim Walz to be her vice president from a pool of outstanding Democrats, Kamala Harris has chosen an ideal partner – and made it clear exactly what she stands for,” said a statement from Barack and Michelle Obama. “Governor Walz doesn’t just have the experience to be vice president, he has the values and the integrity to make us proud. As governor, Tim helped families and businesses recover from the pandemic, established paid family leave, guaranteed the right to an abortion, and put common sense gun safety measures in place to keep communities safe. But Tim’s signature is his ability to talk like a human being and treat everyone with decency and respect – not all that surprising considering the fact that he served in the National Guard for 24 years and worked as a high school social studies teacher and football coach before being elected to Congress. Like Vice President Harris, Governor Walz believes that the government works to serve us. Not just some of us, but all of us. That’s what makes him an outstanding governor, and that’s what will make him an even better vice president, ready on day one. Michelle and I couldn’t be happier for Tim and Gwen, their family, and our country.”
Plus, Harris and Walz are both to my and Biden's left on the issue of China. They are to the left of Biden on every foreign policy issue other than possibly Ukraine. Economically, Walz is very progressive he's not Henry Agard Wallace, but he's as close as we can get without a corporate fundraising blackout from most of corporate America, and believe me you don't want to rely on only grass roots donations right now given a white-collar recession is happening as we speak.