Was Al Capone a gangster, murderer & racketeer?He didn't do anything violent and to be a traitor or insurrectionist, you have to be convicted of that just like a murderer would.
Was Al Capone a gangster, murderer & racketeer?He didn't do anything violent and to be a traitor or insurrectionist, you have to be convicted of that just like a murderer would.
C'mon. That's like saying Joker should have a reduced sentence because the leg work is done my his henchmen.When were republicans (you know, people in office) breaking into the Capitol and chanting to hang their own VP?
Just mentioning the word ''peaceful'' that one time is hardly a defence after spending months getting your supporters seething with lies and then give a speech getting them even more riled up before directing them to the capitol. It doesn't work like that. Trump isn't in problem for poorly trying to cover his ass for just saying the phrase ''peaceful'' one time. He's in trouble for everything else he said and did. And I kinda suspect you already know that.Removing the other party's most electable candidate from ballots completely unconstitutionally mind you is far more dangerous than someone saying "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
The reverse Nuremberg defence; "I was only telling underlings what to do"C'mon. That's like saying Joker should have a reduced sentence because the leg work is done my his henchmen.
And if it was against the law to run for office as a murderer, Al Capone would be allowed to run. Do you not understand the massive issue that would happen if you could stop people from running for office if you just claimed they were murderers or traitors or whatever?Was Al Capone a gangster, murderer & racketeer?
I was responding to people talking about the party (posts I've put in the spoiler below), not republican voters. If we're are talking about just voters, both sides have people that do very problematic things.C'mon. That's like saying Joker should have a reduced sentence because the leg work is done my his henchmen.
Just mentioning the word ''peaceful'' that one time is hardly a defence after spending months getting your supporters seething with lies and then give a speech getting them even more riled up before directing them to the capitol. It doesn't work like that. Trump isn't in problem for poorly trying to cover his ass for just saying the phrase ''peaceful'' one time. He's in trouble for everything else he said and did. And I kinda suspect you already know that.
You just can't say that after January 6th happened. This isn't the same party has it used to be, noticed that almost everyone of the old guard in GOP is being kicked out at every opportunity.
Because Republicans have made it clear that they''ll do more to abolish democracy then just write about it this time? And having already tried doing just that last time they lost? And because Project 25 would give them the power to push through their conspiracy theories and overturn elections without it requiring the burden of evidence?
100%, pure, unadulterated and utterly unfilling nothingburger....and the swiftboating begins! He fucks up a couple times, but he mostly gets his lines right. Note this guy wasn't his commanding officer.
You realize its the head of the party that caused them to go berserk right? And the rest of the party egging them on as well. The traitors that stormed the capitol weren't magically unconnected to the politicians that radicalized them and pointed them to a target.I was responding to people talking about the party (posts I've put in the spoiler below), not republican voters. If we're are talking about just voters, both sides have people that do very problematic things.
False equivalence and you know it. No Democrat argued that Trump secretly did't win the election. They criticized the manner how. And given Trump only got elected due to a glitch in the system and never had popular support its not unreasonable to dispute his legitimacy. And as much as some dullards like to shriek ''Russia hoax' there in fact was Russian interference, and plenty of Trump's cronies indeed did get to jail for it.What about democrats saying the election was basically stolen with constant lies for 3 years ad nauseam?
Unfortunately the guy clearly had an agenda.100%, pure, unadulterated and utterly unfilling nothingburger.
Trump didn't say to riot and break into the Capitol.You realize its the head of the party that caused them to go berserk right? And the rest of the party egging them on as well. The traitors that stormed the capitol weren't magically unconnected to the politicians that radicalized them and pointed them to a target.
False equivalence and you know it. No Democrat argued that Trump secretly did't win the election. They criticized the manner how. And given Trump only got elected due to a glitch in the system and never had popular support its not unreasonable to dispute his legitimacy. And as much as some dullards like to shriek ''Russia hoax' there in fact was Russian interference, and plenty of Trump's cronies indeed did get to jail for it.
Contrast this to the Republicans who went far further, shouting from the rooftop that secretly Biden had lost the election but hoodwinked the nation into not realizing it. And the only argument they had in their favor was that they really wanted this to be true. And unlike the Democrats Republicans couldn't even be grumpy about the democratic will of the population being cancelled out, because unlike Clinton Trump lost both the popular and electoral vote.
Not to mention that in 2017 Clinton didn't try to have Biden illigitimately crown her and send her supporters to lynch him when he refused. No real attempt was made to prevent Trump taking office, and no, Trump acting like a rogue entity and getting impeached as a direct consequence of it is not an attempt to ''steal'' his post.
Apples and oranges.
The image quality makes that look (and it probably is) super fake.
Man, imagine. This is the future communists want, apparently.
Lol you had me until Couches
Man, imagine. This is the future communists want, apparently.
it's also not unreasonable to dispute the legitimacy of any US president in living memoryAnd given Trump only got elected due to a glitch in the system and never had popular support its not unreasonable to dispute his legitimacy.
can't get anything by youThe image quality makes that look (and it probably is) super fake.
You didn't answer my question. Was he those things or not? He wasn't convicted of them.And if it was against the law to run for office as a murderer, Al Capone would be allowed to run. Do you not understand the massive issue that would happen if you could stop people from running for office if you just claimed they were murderers or traitors or whatever?
You mean lie. He would have been better off lying.Putting myself in the republican strategist shoes, he would have been better served to be more opaque with his description of events and leave it to insinuation.
Look at the 2 felony counts (including one conspiracy count) of obstructing an official proceeding under 18 U.S.C. § 1512, 1 felony count of conspiracy to defraud the United States under 18 U.S.C. § 371 and 1 felony count of conspiracy against rights under 18 U.S.C. § 241 he's already been charged with. The whole bullshit immunity case was specifically to shield him from charges related to Jan 6.Surely if Trump is either one of those or both of them, there'd at least be a trial charging him with such things, right?
That describes basically every attack on Walz so far. He got arrested!...for speeding and a DUI 30 years ago. He put tampons in school restrooms? He quit the military!...by which we mean he retired after 24 years. They're flailing because they can't rely on people not being able to unsee Biden's debate performance as a campaign strategy and the only attacks they have against Harris are that she's not white, not male, voted with her party more often than most and has a weird laugh. If I were them, I'd be scrabbling too.100%, pure, unadulterated and utterly unfilling nothingburger.
Just recently somewhere else the conversation came up for why they're trying to hard to go after Walz, and the two theories that came up are "there's more enthusiasm for his pick from the left flank of the party" and "if they go all out on Harris, someone's just going to end up calling her the n-word on national tv".That describes basically every attack on Walz so far. He got arrested!...for speeding and a DUI 30 years ago. He put tampons in school restrooms? He quit the military!...by which we mean he retired after 24 years. They're flailing because they can't rely on people not being able to unsee Biden's debate performance as a campaign strategy and the only attacks they have against Harris are that she's not white, not male, voted with her party more often than most and has a weird laugh. If I were them, I'd be scrabbling too.
It's like Obama and the "tan suit" and "likes Dijon mustard" controversies.
Doesn't matter. He spend months stoking their anger and then pointed them to a target. And given the months of him pressuring Pence to illegally crown him this was clearly his way to intimidate him to still do so, or punish him for not doing it. Trump didn't tragically lost control of a mob that worshipped him.Trump didn't say to riot and break into the Capitol.
Again. The impeachment were conditional of doing crimes. Had Trump not behaved as a rogue entity there'd be no impeachments. What choice did Trump even leave the Democrats after blackmailing a foreign leader to interfere on the election for him? Even if we were to accept the argument that the Democrats were dying to remove Trump then its still Trump who gave them the means to do it by behaving in the most corrupt way he could.The democrats have been trying to get Trump removed from office since he won in 2016, they keep dragging him through court for the exact same purpose, and they even removed him from ballots. Are you seriously defending them lying about RussiaGate? It's not apples and oranges.
Because that's how the system works. The US is a de facto two party system. And while you can refuse to take part of this in disgust this does automatically surrender ground to the worse option by far. And given the fact that this is an objectively known fact I'd say the people who stick to this argument despite knowing this are suspicious. Perhaps the whole ''lol both sides!'' might have worked in the Romney vs Obama era but its severely outdated. They're simply not the same any longer. Even at their worst the Democrats simply aren't half as vile as Trump and the Maga movement.I don't get why we (not just you and me but everyone) are even arguing about the democrats and republicans. They are both 2 sides of the same coin, acting like the republicans are some existential threat to democracy is beyond ridiculous and acting voting for either one of these parties is in fact proof that American democracy is indeed dead or at least in a coma. Vote for someone else if you do actually believe in democracy.
It might be unfair but I hate the way he, Trump, says "black" and "blacks". Like saying black is totally fine, but fuck the way he pronounces it just makes me squirm. Like at that rally when he said "We have a black!". Like hes trying to promote that he has the support of the African American community, but its like omg duuuude. You're implying ownership.Just recently somewhere else the conversation came up for why they're trying to hard to go after Walz, and the two theories that came up are "there's more enthusiasm for his pick from the left flank of the party" and "if they go all out on Harris, someone's just going to end up calling her the n-word on national tv".