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Would be a good next step, but could go even bolder.
I think it's funny that a media organisation is so out of touch that it is asking whether something is legal rather than reporting the practical reality that the administration doesn't care if its legal.
 
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I think it's funny that a media organisation is so out of touch that it is asking whether something is legal rather than reporting the practical reality that the administration doesn't care if its legal.
Yeah considering the SCOTUS just said they have to bring back the other guy from El Salvador and they flat out said they wouldn't, whether something is legal or not is truly only relevant if the democrat are in power.
 
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I'm only surprised that he hasn't put "TRUMP" in big gaudy gold letters on the front of the White House, like with every other one of his properties.
Not every one of his properties. Only seven of his skyscrapers are actually called some variant of Trump Tower and while all of those actually have his name written upon them, that's not the case for most of his other properties. A little detail I picked up from that article about how Trump fits a number of prophecies about the Antichrist, where they were suggesting that those seven Trump Towers and their combined 10 antennae were the seven heads and ten horns.

What's amusing is that at the time the article was written in 2019 it described Rev 13:3 as probably metaphorical but if you see a leader get shot in the head, survive and end up more powerful as a consequence, I mean that would be right on the nose...

Yeah considering the SCOTUS just said they have to bring back the other guy from El Salvador and they flat out said they wouldn't, whether something is legal or not is truly only relevant if the democrat are in power.
What else would you expect form the "lawless one"?
 

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Yeah considering the SCOTUS just said they have to bring back the other guy from El Salvador and they flat out said they wouldn't, whether something is legal or not is truly only relevant if the democrat are in power.
Although that is technically legal, at least at a superficial level. The court's demands come with limits: if another country decides to not let the USA recover a deportee, it's not like the courts can oblige the US government to infringe that country's sovereignty.

Of course everyone knows that the US administration and the dictator of El Salvador are in cahoots. The dictator will do whatever the US administration tells him on this issue, and he knows that the administration does not want the deportee back. So El Dictador goes in front of the cameras and says he won't give the deportee back, and the US administration pretends "Oh well nothing we can do". The subterfuge, dishonesty and disrespect for the law are transparent, but the courts rely on evidence.

It does mean that the Trump administration could do that to US citizens as well. Whether it feels it could get away with it is another matter, as exiling one's own citizens is likely to be vastly more troubling to a population than expelling foreigners without due process.

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I mean, the other thing I would say about SCOTUS is that they reap what they sowed. Their actions and rulings were critical in constructing and lubricating the mechanisms which have led to an executive that feels empowered to tell the judiciary to go fuck themselves.
 

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There's an interesting point: both public health laws, and international/domestic laws on deportations & residency, contained stipulations that they could only be bypassed in cases of grave danger or emergency. But were (unavoidably) subjective on what those grounds might be.

Biden invoked that for vaccines. Trump invoked that for deportations.

So I guess the question is, which one do we think more truly constitutes a grave danger or emergency situation? 1. A viral pandemic that killed >18million people worldwide; or 2. ~200 Venezuelans with tattoos residing legally in the US. It's a toughie for sure.
 
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So I guess the question is, which one do we think more truly constitutes a grave danger or emergency situation? 1. A viral pandemic that killed >18million people worldwide; or 2. ~200 Venezuelans with tattoos residing legally in the US. It's a toughie for sure.
Depends on whether you believe the Great Replacement theory or not.
 

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There's an interesting point: both public health laws, and international/domestic laws on deportations & residency, contained stipulations that they could only be bypassed in cases of grave danger or emergency. But were (unavoidably) subjective on what those grounds might be.

Biden invoked that for vaccines. Trump invoked that for deportations.

So I guess the question is, which one do we think more truly constitutes a grave danger or emergency situation? 1. A viral pandemic that killed >18million people worldwide; or 2. ~200 Venezuelans with tattoos residing legally in the US. It's a toughie for sure.
My point of posting was that the Biden administration didn't care either. The fact that they had to backdoor the vaccine mandate through OSHA, I knew that shit was illegal.

I think it's funny that a media organisation is so out of touch that it is asking whether something is legal rather than reporting the practical reality that the administration doesn't care if its legal.
 

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I think it's asinine that you guys point out how bad it is when the other team does something, but shut your mouths when your team does the same thing.
I'm not convinced that a vaccine mandate and a mass deportation *are* the same thing, and I'm not convinced that a global pandemic and 200 people with tattoos legally residing in the US are situations of equivalent severity.

I might go so far as to say that if someone thought they *were* the same, that hypothetical person would be a hysterical clown.
 

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I'm not convinced that a vaccine mandate and a mass deportation *are* the same thing, and I'm not convinced that a global pandemic and 200 people with tattoos legally residing in the US are situations of equivalent severity.

I might go so far as to say that if someone thought they *were* the same, that hypothetical person would be a hysterical clown.
Yeah, the vax mandate only harmed so many more people, they aren't equal.
 

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I'm not convinced that a vaccine mandate and a mass deportation *are* the same thing, and I'm not convinced that a global pandemic and 200 people with tattoos legally residing in the US are situations of equivalent severity.
Keep in mind which one Phoenixmgs thinks is a greater threat to him. (Hint: It's the brown people. He thinks the brown people are a greater threat to him.)