US 2024 Presidential Election
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Sure, sure, I could maybe see the appeal in that notion, except that also doesn't describe the events that happened. Like, at all.
He shot BLM protestors. So some people (right-wing idiots) will see it that way.
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If you think it's relevant to the conversation and have those stats feel free to post them.
Murder is only a part of both the violent crime and general crime picture. Again, some people have to ask an employee to get a toothbrush out of a locked case for example. The following from that article is essentially misinformation:Blue states have better education funding leading to higher education performance.
Murder statistics in red states are 33% higher than in blue states.
Red states are bigger polluters than blue states.
Red states pump out more carbon pollution than blue ones
Which states are going to kick up a fuss over the EPA's proposed power-plant rules? New data from Yale, along with some clever maps, help answer this question.grist.org
Blue states have greater GDP per capita than red states, and pay more in taxes than red states. Red states would be broke if they weren't constantly getting money siphoned to them from blue states.
Red States, Blue States: Two Economies, One Nation
Red and blue states vary so much in their economic trajectories that they may as well be two distinct countries, writes Joachim Klement, CFA.blogs.cfainstitute.org
People in blue states have higher life expectancy than those living in red states.
How life expectancy in Republican states compares to Democratic ones
On average, Democratic states' residents see a lifespan of more than two years longer than those living in Republican ones, according to a Newsweek analysis.www.newsweek.com
Now obviously these differences aren't all down to politics and who the ruling party is. Many of these discrepancies can be attributed to environmental issues inherent to certain areas, but generally speaking the point still stands, Blue states tend to be better places to live. The reason people move to red states is because they made their money in blue states and they can live cheap in red states. It's the same reason that Americans retire in places like Thailand and Vietnam, their money goes further there and they are willing to put up with some discomfort because of that.
Generally my big problem with Democrats isn't that they're doing the objectively wrong thing, it's that they're doing the right thing in a stupid and inefficient way. Yes there's corruption in the Democratic party, with people like Nancy Peloci and other Democratic leaders using their positions of power to enrich themselves illegally through things like insider trading, but that's also not a partisan issue, that's an "all politicians are craven pieces of shit" issue.
On the other hand, Republicans seem to pick the worst option more often than not.
"Violent crime and homicide rates both fell in 2022. Preliminary data for 2023 shows that hopeful trend accelerating. But if you listened to Republicans, you would think crime is skyrocketing, specifically in blue states and cities."
Not really what that economic article was saying:
"Whatever the cause, the study demonstrates that the current polarization in US politics is misguided and counterproductive. Economically speaking, the red states benefit from the blue states through government redistribution and transfers of capital from blue state savers to red state investments via capital markets.
Blue states benefit from red states, on the other hand, which fuel their higher growth and higher income with attractive investment opportunities as well as cheaper labor and lower prices."
People in red states eat less healthy. Nutrition is something sorely lacking as being taught to kids in school, I had to unlearn basically everything from school and learn on my own what is good and bad for you.
The reason people are moving out of blue states is the cost of living is too high. It's not because they made their money and buying mansions to retire in red states. It's normal people being tried of paying exorbitant rates for renting or owning a house.
Democrats tend to change things for no reason and make things worse like asinine crime or drug policies. Sure, they usually have at least somewhat good intentions but you know what they say about good intentions, right?
IIRC, it was probably the public option and the tax if you didn't have insurance. Also, obviously the fact that it's a democratic policy and must be opposed. Same reason why democrats in America were literally the only faction that kept schools closed in the entire world, can't open school because republicans are for that. It's kinda funny that the same think-tank the wrote Project 2025 essentially wrote Obamacare.
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I didn't say anything about violent crime, or crime in general. I talked about murder.
You mean the exact same relationship that the US has with third world countries? Gee I'm sure red states are excited to be the 3rd world of the US, and that's something that those in charge of those states should really be proud of.
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If you wanna point out very specific things that are better/worse, then we can do this all day.
Also, that narrative about blue states bailing out red states is hardly true.
Here's the fiscal stability rankings (ton of red states doing better than blue states). I used to live in Illinois and it's a joke state, especially Cook County.
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I'm curious as to how they calculate and justify these rankings.
California is the 5th largest economy in the world. California's economy literally dwarfs that of actual countries. It has a larger economy than India, the UK, every country in the EU except Germany. It represents 14% of the total economy of the US. It has the highest economic output of any state in the US. Somehow your rankings are putting it 42nd in terms of "fiscal stability?" Yeah I gotta call bullshit.
If California Were A Country
If California were a country, it would be the 5th largest economy in the world. We look at the reasons why this is.
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Regardless of who wins, there's going to be a significant faction claiming the election was stolen/hacked/cheated or some variation thereof. That's just how things roll now. Maybe this time it will be something more entertaining than Russians shitposting on social media or mail in ballots.
That has very little to do with them being red or blue though. For example I live in what is currently probably the reddest of red states. We weren't getting the benefits alleged of being a blue state when we were a safe blue state for most of our history prior to 2000. I suspect the causation there is the other way around, if at all.
Yes, the Republicans and Biatch Trump are going to cry the loudest about it if they lose, exactly like last time.
High GDP doesn't necessarily mean you have fiscal stability. Again, look at Illinois that can't even pay lottery winners...I'm curious as to how they calculate and justify these rankings.
California is the 5th largest economy in the world. California's economy literally dwarfs that of actual countries. It has a larger economy than India, the UK, every country in the EU except Germany. It represents 14% of the total economy of the US. It has the highest economic output of any state in the US. Somehow your rankings are putting it 42nd in terms of "fiscal stability?" Yeah I gotta call bullshit.
If California Were A Country
If California were a country, it would be the 5th largest economy in the world. We look at the reasons why this is.
From the California government itself:
State Faces $24 Billion Budget Problem and Ongoing Deficits. Under our outlook, the Legislature would face a budget problem of $24 billion in 2023‑24. (A budget problem—also called a deficit—occurs when resources for the upcoming fiscal year are insufficient to cover the costs of currently authorized services.) The budget problem is mainly attributable to lower revenue estimates, which are lower than budget act projections from 2021‑22 through 2023‑24 by $41 billion. Revenue losses are offset by lower spending in certain areas. Over the subsequent years of the forecast, annual deficits would decline from $17 billion to $8 billion.
The 2023-24 Budget: California's Fiscal Outlook
Our annual Fiscal Outlook publication gives our office’s independent assessment of the California state budget condition for the upcoming fiscal year and over the longer term. In this report, we anticipate the state will have a $24 billion budget problem to solve in the upcoming fiscal year and...
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So the state is currently running at a budget deficit...like most of the countries in the world, including the US.High GDP doesn't necessarily mean you have fiscal stability. Again, look at Illinois that can't even pay lottery winners...
From the California government itself:
State Faces $24 Billion Budget Problem and Ongoing Deficits. Under our outlook, the Legislature would face a budget problem of $24 billion in 2023‑24. (A budget problem—also called a deficit—occurs when resources for the upcoming fiscal year are insufficient to cover the costs of currently authorized services.) The budget problem is mainly attributable to lower revenue estimates, which are lower than budget act projections from 2021‑22 through 2023‑24 by $41 billion. Revenue losses are offset by lower spending in certain areas. Over the subsequent years of the forecast, annual deficits would decline from $17 billion to $8 billion.
The 2023-24 Budget: California's Fiscal Outlook
Our annual Fiscal Outlook publication gives our office’s independent assessment of the California state budget condition for the upcoming fiscal year and over the longer term. In this report, we anticipate the state will have a $24 billion budget problem to solve in the upcoming fiscal year and...
Government budget deficit 2023
Deficit is the negative difference between revenues and expenditures of the state, ie, expenses are higher than revenues. There is surplus when the difference is positive, ie, revenues exceed expenditures. As in the case of debt, to measure the importance of the deficit in an economy is compared...
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That means very little.
And Indiana, my new state, has cash reserves.So the state is currently running at a budget deficit...like most of the countries in the world, including the US.
Government budget deficit 2023
Deficit is the negative difference between revenues and expenditures of the state, ie, expenses are higher than revenues. There is surplus when the difference is positive, ie, revenues exceed expenditures. As in the case of debt, to measure the importance of the deficit in an economy is compared...
That means very little.
Indiana ends fiscal year with $2.9B in reserves • Indiana Capital Chronicle
The state ended its 2023 Fiscal Year with $2.9 billion in reserves, marking a return to pre-COVID operations.
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Indiana is also a state that, outside a handful of liberal universities, "Southeastern Chicago", and Democratic-run Indianapolis, people generally don't prefer to live in.And Indiana, my new state, has cash reserves.
Indiana ends fiscal year with $2.9B in reserves • Indiana Capital Chronicle
The state ended its 2023 Fiscal Year with $2.9 billion in reserves, marking a return to pre-COVID operations.
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And Indiana, my new state, has cash reserves.
Indiana ends fiscal year with $2.9B in reserves • Indiana Capital Chronicle
The state ended its 2023 Fiscal Year with $2.9 billion in reserves, marking a return to pre-COVID operations.
Sense and Nonsense About Budget Deficits
Everybody wants to reduce the deficit, whether they know what it is or not. But that is not necessarily a healthy goal.
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"Fiscal stability" is in many respects not a particularly interesting statistic. "Fiscal stability" can be radically changed with one, single budget. Running a debt? Increase taxes / decrease services, balance the budget, go up the rankings plenty. Whereas if a state is doing terribly in all sorts of other indicators - GDP/capita, education, etc. - that's going to take years if not decades to fix.
Secondly, "fiscal stability" is often going to be the reverse of many other characteristics measured, because of the simple fact that agreeing to pay for things creates financial liabilities. Thus red states may often do better here because they don't pay for all sorts of public services that make life immeasurably better for their citizens.
That's because you don't have the ideology that simply writes the appropriate narrative in: Rittenhouse takes gun and with brave patriots attempts to defend honest, working people's property from looters, is attacked by unAmerican Antifa* criminal hooligans, shoots a few. = hero.
Yes, there's a great deal else went on in reality. But that can be conveniently ignored by anyone willing.
* It seems to me in the mind of the right, everyone on the left whose political acts go beyond voting is Antifa
The water is as good as it gets in my area, I got dat Lake Michigan water. Indiana is loads better than Illinois, which I came from. I almost lost my job because of the incompetent Illinois DMV. One friend bought a townhouse 2-3 years ago and sold it in a month because of his neighbor and never changed his car registration back to Illinois because of how awful it is, he currently still uses a friend's address for his mail and everything even though he lives in Illinois.
I know what deficits are. You should strive for having extra money (regardless of just an individual or state) because so when there's a rainy day, you can pay for it. What if it's a bad economy and much more people are on unemployment or you're doing some massive project to transition to something else (like say a different source of energy)? If your "good" years are also in deficit, then you're doing something wrong. Being in a deficit in a year isn't bad on it's own as it's fine to overspend when you need to, but it's bad when you do it all the time.Sense and Nonsense About Budget Deficits
Everybody wants to reduce the deficit, whether they know what it is or not. But that is not necessarily a healthy goal.
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Not spending your money on things you need just because you want to "save it for a rainy day" is also bad.
If California has a "rainy day" bad enough that it can't borrow money to get out of it then the world economy is pretty much fucked.