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-Obama was admired both abroad and domestically. Abroad Trump is largely reviled and considered a complete freak. Domestically Obama seems to have been more popular than Trump and certainly less divisive. In Trump's favor you can argue that his fanatics admire him more than Obama's admirers ever admired him, but considering its an extremely loony cult that's not entirely a point that reflects well on Trump.
I dunno, weren't the sort of people who are fanatically for Trump fanatically against Obama, making him divisive as well? For being black, not for being particularly evil by POTUS standards.
 

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That's what that whole "I'm the smartest guy in the room" schtick is really about. It's a psychological defence mechanism...
In most places, it's a deliberate choice, under the premise that you cannot be the smartest person in the room without the confidence to trust that you are. There's no advantage in being smart if you immediately distrust your own observations in the face of others.

But among this crowd, it's just too low of a bar to not be true.
I did some research so see what Laffer thought. And you didn't actually know much when you first spouted, so after being stung you had to go away and do some research, too. I got my Laffer comments from a news website, and you got yours from a podcast.
No, we both did google searches. Yours got you to a news article that filled you in on like 100 choice words of his surrounded by paragraphs of editorial content telling you how to interpret it, mine got me like an hour of him explaining himself on camera nearly uninterrupted. That's not "getting my news from a podcast", the medium is irrelevant if it's access to the source we are looking for.
So he says explicitly he'd be against the same tariffs if Biden had done them, and predicates it all on this fawning description of Trump as a person. Says he's as great a President as there's ever been.

So, you've found someone who opposes tariffs, but will support anything Trump does, even if diametrically opposed to his own principles. A partisan hack, in short.
No, because you seem to not be getting it into your head I'll say it again, Laffer is the person who pitched the idea of reciprocal tariffs to Trump in 2016. If you watched that video, he says he wouldn't trust himself with that strategy because he'd cave. He also at one point thanks God for Bill Clinton. It's not partisan hackery, it's statements on the specific individuals.

Too bad there aren't any current events related to this discussion...
 

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I dunno, weren't the sort of people who are fanatically for Trump fanatically against Obama, making him divisive as well? For being black, not for being particularly evil by POTUS standards.
I dont think that there are as many people who are die hard Obama fans. You dont have as many people defending undefensible stances. So when the GOP came at Obama with legitmate criticisms, most of us would agree

Its why the GOP had to move to utterly ridiculous criticisms. We took the fangs out of any real criticism by agreeing them. They need the country divided at any cost and lying works really well
 

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I am probably either too old or too foreign to have recognized that meme. But sure, polititions in their 60ies trying to coopt teen lingo is generally as common as cringe.

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Aside from that, Kamala is not in congress, neither does she hold any state position or, really, any position of power. So, strong words are the most you can expect here.

One might fault e.g. the senate Democrats for not doing enough against Trump, but not Harris.
As far as I read, this was meant to launch a series of connections between the whole DNC and the youth using this channel

Add a Its Not Very Effective Pokemon meme

The DNC needs to do this as they are just following Boomers becuase thats all they can connect to. I also dont think there is anyone elected who can make this connection. AOC just speaks to wokescolds. Bernie can speak to some socialists. The whole of the DSA are more worried about political theatre than actual change.

All these guys should have been able to do something over Minnesota. 90% Independents hated it. Similar stats for the Dems. But... what actually happened? More politcal theatre

In reality, youth connections like this probably needs to be grassroots activism
 

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Still waiting for examples of ICE killing american citizens in broad daylight and receiving immediate support and immunity from the government, and the imprisonment of people who're in the country legally in foreign torture facilities.
Not to be a jerk but....

Customs and Boarder Patrol have been shooting people like this for over a century. There would be over 100, 000 executions like this that by now. It just didnt happen to citizens that often. Most of them were not even investigated

This is how America always has been. The American constitution has always been an idea, not a reality. Its just a piece of paper that means nothing to Americans

Now, you are completely, ICE has not been this way until 2025. It does not suprise me that they started copying CBP. Whenever Trump was talking about the border, this is what he said he wanted, from 2015. And he will kill anyone who gets in his way. He had to transform ICE into a faction that can easily kill the citizenry. He needs control
 

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Isn't this a Kamala channel trying to push Kamala ?
Who cares, it's a good thing the US has the only competent center left wing party in the western world that doesn't let nutjobs any where near power (minus some of the the staffers because many for the center-left don't want to be near political power). Even AOC, and Bernie Sanders aren't nutjobs like Corbyn and Mélenchon who both want to leave NATO in the Obama admin. and both undermine the EU.

By the way notice how Harris picked the most left wing candidate to be her VP, and got still burned for it when Walz lost the debate against Vance in the first half of the VP debate when most people were listening, had she picked Newsom he may have won that debate. She also didn't pick Shapiro who was viewed as too pro-Israel, and got asked if he was an agent of Israel by a staffer.

If Harris got in power there would be no ICE warehouses being brought up, and two people wouldn't have been killed. And for you far lefties the Maduro regime wouldn't have been attacked.
 

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I don't know why you don't think ICE has always operated in the same way when it's been reported that ICE has and that's always what the law has been.
Please show me when ICE was sending non-criminal immigrants to foreign torture prisons under previous administrations.

If it's been "reported" like you claim then you should clearly be able to prove your point with actual evidence.
 
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I'm more mocking the incredibly embarrassing 6-7 (which they have since changed because they were getting absolutely dunked on for it).

These dorks are doing "How do you do fellow kids" instead of being useful and standing up to Trump beyond strongly worded letters (and they couldn't even stand by their "How do you do fellow kids" moment as they immediately changed their branding to 68, which now makes no sense).
Well obviously the best person to get Gen Z to vote Democrat is the person who lost ground with the Gen Z vote in the last election. It just makes sense.
 

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Vance getting boo'ed at the Olympics in Italy is great. If that filth chooses to make one of his defining trait an illegitimate hatred of Europe, then Europe has every right to hate him back.
 

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Vance getting boo'ed at the Olympics in Italy is great. If that filth chooses to make one of his defining trait an illegitimate hatred of Europe, then Europe has every right to hate him back.
Europe has any number of other reasons to hate him if they don't like that one as well.
 

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No, because you seem to not be getting it into your head I'll say it again, Laffer is the person who pitched the idea of reciprocal tariffs to Trump in 2016. If you watched that video, he says he wouldn't trust himself with that strategy because he'd cave. He also at one point thanks God for Bill Clinton. It's not partisan hackery, it's statements on the specific individuals.
Reciprocal. Which most of Trump's tariffs were not.

If someone says they support or oppose a measure solely on the basis of who's doing it, then they're no longer evaluating the move itself. They're engaged in personality cult shite.

Too bad there aren't any current events related to this discussion...
Ah yes, Argentina, whose far-right President already received a 20bn credit line from the US to bail his gov out. They're ideological allies: Milei is doing everything he can to keep in Trump's graces, and Trump is reciprocating by keeping him in power on the US dime. There is no competitional pressure being applied here.
 

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Not to be a jerk but....

Customs and Boarder Patrol have been shooting people like this for over a century. There would be over 100, 000 executions like this that by now. It just didnt happen to citizens that often. Most of them were not even investigated
I'm aware. But broad daylight on camera, to people breaking no rules at all, then receiving immediate and unconditional support from the gov?

These things mark a shift-- perhaps not in the level of cruelty under the surface, but in its openness.
 

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If Harris got in power
But she didn't get in power.

Her campaign was bad. She ignored pretty much every topic people cared about. She didn't present any vision, any solution to the issues that arose under Biden. She was the "just kick the can down the road" candidate. The only reason to vote for her was that she was not Trump. That is a good reason, but it is not enough to actually win.

She had her chance. She blew it and the whole world has to live with the consequences. It is time for her to fade into the background and let someone more promising take over.
 
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He's totally not an egomaniac, guys, honest:

More stuff ahould be named after Trump. I'm thinking Washington D.T. would be a good start. New Trump City has a wonderful ring to it. Good opportunity to have another look at Liberty Island too. Obviously the statue will need to go. It's French anyway.
 

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More stuff ahould be named after Trump. I'm thinking Washington D.T. would be a good start. New Trump City has a wonderful ring to it. Good opportunity to have another look at Liberty Island too. Obviously the statue will need to go. It's French anyway.
The statue can even be replaced by a giant Trump statue
 

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If someone says they support or oppose a measure solely on the basis of who's doing it, then they're no longer evaluating the move itself. They're engaged in personality cult shite.
You don't believe it is wrong to evaluate different people differently or find them suited to different roles.
 

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You don't believe it is wrong to evaluate different people differently or find them suited to different roles.
Indeed, I do not.

And you do not believe it is right to evaluate national economic policy on the basis of who does it rather than what it is.