US 2024 Presidential Election

[BrawlMan]

There are people who want to dismantle and get rid of section 230. That's a bad thing. Also, fuck Joseph Gordon Levitt for trying to support removing this.

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https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/5723006-gordon-levitt-capitol-hill-section-230/

Push to repeal Section 230 raises stakes for how social media moderates content

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They're trying to bury the Epstein files.
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[Seanchaidh]

Who cares, it's a good thing the US has the only competent center left wing party in the western world that doesn't let nutjobs any where near power

Joe Biden was president.

 

[tstorm823]

And you do not believe it is right to evaluate national economic policy on the basis of who does it rather than what it is.

Not often, but sometimes the consequence of an action does depend on the person who does it. I'm certain you understand what he is saying, that if it were Biden doing it, he would expect a different outcome, as both the perception of his actions and the follow-up would likely be very different.

 

[Silvanus]

Not often, but sometimes the consequence of an action does depend on the person who does it. I'm certain you understand what he is saying, that if it were Biden doing it, he would expect a different outcome, as both the perception of his actions and the follow-up would likely be very different.

I understand what he's saying perfectly well; i just think its bunk. He talks a great deal about how damaging tariffs are, then does a 180 and justifies it with all this fawning personal stuff about how amazing Trump is, how he's the greatest President, etc. Its not credible or mature discussion of policy. Its hero worship.

 

[tstorm823]

Its not credible or mature discussion of policy.

Crazy as I am, I am inclined to assigned credibility based on results. I what he wants and expects to happen matches the end result better than you, he wins.

Oh would you look at that, tariff negotiations being used as leverage to actively take power and influence away from Russia.

India and the US move closer to reducing Trump tariffs

India and the United States have released a framework for an interim trade agreement to lower tariffs on Indian goods. The joint statement, released Friday, follows U.S.

apnews.com

 

[Silvanus]

Crazy as I am, I am inclined to assigned credibility based on results. I what he wants and expects to happen matches the end result better than you, he wins.

Oh would you look at that, tariff negotiations being used as leverage to actively take power and influence away from Russia.

India and the US move closer to reducing Trump tariffs

India and the United States have released a framework for an interim trade agreement to lower tariffs on Indian goods. The joint statement, released Friday, follows U.S.

apnews.com

Hmm. Now the issue here is we have no formal framework to judge (yet), and no actual results. Trump has claimed India will stop buying Russian crude; Modi has not commented on that, there's nothing about that in the joint statement. Let's not forget that Trump has in the past "announced" details of agreements with other countries that those other countries didn't actually agree to.

And in fact, there's not enough detail in the joint statement to determine how big these strides are. And it comes at almost the same time as India has signed an expansive trade agreement with the EU... which didn't require any enormous tariffs or threats.

 

[Satinavian]

Yes, that is a common strategy from him : Announce way more than was ever agreed on and dare the other party to openly contradict him. This way he can celebrate successes that are not existing, shifting blame if it doesn't happen and maybe pressure the other side for even more concessions.

But nowadays it rarely works anymore.

 

[Hades]

Joe Biden was president.

Indeed. Joe Biden essentially being the furthest left that's allowed in the US indicates it doesn't have a left wing. All it has is center right progressives in the Democratic candidates, and hard right to far right candidates in the Republicans.

There's very little left wing about Biden's wing of the Democrats. Their reasonably progressive in social issues until they think it cost them something but they are still pro corporate and at our most generous very hesitant on social spending such as healthcare. They key difference is that unlike the Republicans they want at least some of it rather than none of it, but still not enough to really be considered left wing.

And that on its own is fine I guess. Center right is more or less a legitimate political stream. But nothing to the left of this being allowed in a political system is very unhealthy.

 

[BrawlMan]

Donald Trump posts AI video depicting Barack and Michelle Obama as monkeys; Democrats condemn post as racist - The Times of India

US News: US President Donald Trump on Thursday posted an election conspiracy video that drew backlash for its portrayal of former President Barack Obama and fo.

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

It is indeed rather racist to equate those things to primates.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2026/02/07/republicans-criticize-trump-racist-post/

A Hard Lesson From History for Trump’s Allies of Color

The tragic lesson of the Union of German National Jews looms.

wordinblack.com

Trump Goes Full Racist During Black History Month

My conversation with Joy Reid, Waj Ali, Tim Wise, and Karen Attiah about Trump promoting images of the Obamas as apes on social media.

www.whitetoolong.net

That's what you get Black Trump Supporters. WTF were any of you expecting? Now you feel "conflicted"? Go fuck yourselves.

'Indefensible': Black Trump allies grapple with fallout from racist video of Obamas

The video was later deleted and the White House said it was posted in error.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Silvanus]

Indeed. Joe Biden essentially being the furthest left that's allowed in the US indicates it doesn't have a left wing.

Allowed by whom, though? The voting public, or the DNC?

 

[Thaluikhain]

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2026/02/07/republicans-criticize-trump-racist-post/

A Hard Lesson From History for Trump’s Allies of Color

The tragic lesson of the Union of German National Jews looms.

wordinblack.com

Trump Goes Full Racist During Black History Month

My conversation with Joy Reid, Waj Ali, Tim Wise, and Karen Attiah about Trump promoting images of the Obamas as apes on social media.

www.whitetoolong.net

That's what you get Black Trump Supporters. WTF were any of you expecting? Now you feel "conflicted"? Go fuck yourselves.

'Indefensible': Black Trump allies grapple with fallout from racist video of Obamas

The video was later deleted and the White House said it was posted in error.

www.yahoo.com

Yeah, leopards and faces and all, but I cannot wrap my head around PoC supporting Trump. It's hard enough to understand white trash supporting him, but the people he's explicitly targeting out loud to their faces?

 

[BrawlMan]

Yeah, leopards and faces and all, but I cannot wrap my head around PoC supporting Trump. It's hard enough to understand white trash supporting him, but the people he's explicitly targeting out loud to their faces?

They always think they will be some grand exception by either perceiving/assuming to be counted as white (Latinos, Asians, and Arabs), or by not acting "black"/talking and acting like a "white person" (Blacks, Africans, or African-Americans). These fools never learn or only learn with they get really fucked over.

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[tstorm823]

And it comes at almost the same time as India has signed an expansive trade agreement with the EU... which didn't require any enormous tariffs or threats.

Yes it did... from Trump. By some arguments, it took decades for the agreement between the EU and India to come to fruition. But more saliently, they set a firm target to finish last year (though it took an extra month) specifically in the context of Trump planning 25% tariffs on everyone. The EU opening up trade with India would not have happened, at least not yet, if not for Trump shaking up their status quo.

 

[Silvanus]

Yes it did... from Trump. By some arguments, it took decades for the agreement between the EU and India to come to fruition. But more saliently, they set a firm target to finish last year (though it took an extra month) specifically in the context of Trump planning 25% tariffs on everyone. The EU opening up trade with India would not have happened, at least not yet, if not for Trump shaking up their status quo.

Oh please! The plan was in the works long before Trump put his tariffs on, as you acknowledge. It had taken such a long time because it's one of the most wide-ranging free trade agreements on the planet.

Perhaps Trump's tariff threats and unpredictability gave an additional impetus for both the EU and India to diversify away from the United States as soon as possible. But this agreement was happening anyway, and any shift in timeframe won't have been huge for an agreement of this magnitude and complexity.

Fact remains, a more comprehensive free trade agreement was completed without either party throwing tariffs at eachother. And you cannot credit Trump with every damn thing-- least of all things in the works since before he ever took the Presidency.

 

[tstorm823]

And you cannot credit Trump with every damn thing-- least of all things in the works since before he ever took the Presidency.

Is that a challenge?

 

[Satinavian]

Something a bit more lighthearted

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/jd-vance-ridiculed-40-car-36688400

So Vance is in Italy, mostly for vacation and the olympics but has a meeting with Meloni as well and requires a 100 armored cars motorcade. Which is also made of American sized vehicles that are a bad fit for Italian streets because they are comically oversized.

He and his stuff also needed 14 planes.

I am not sure there is a single royal family/ other head of state on the planet travelling remotely that wasteful. And he isn't even the president, just someone who takes over if something happens to the real one.

I am pretty sure he thinks this makes him look important but in reality he looks like an insecure moron.

But well, US taxpayers have money to spend.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Still waiting for examples of ICE killing american citizens in broad daylight and receiving immediate support and immunity from the government, and the imprisonment of people who're in the country legally in foreign torture facilities.

Never argued that. Also, you don't seem to understand immigration and legality so...

Please show me when ICE was sending non-criminal immigrants to foreign torture prisons under previous administrations.

If it's been "reported" like you claim then you should clearly be able to prove your point with actual evidence.

That wasn't illegal...

At least 138 deported to El Salvador were later killed, human rights group says

The group says a majority of those deportees were killed within a year and some within days of returning to a country with the highest homicide rate in the Western Hemisphere.

www.pbs.org

 

[Silvanus]

Never argued that.

You said they were always doing what they're doing now.

That's what they're doing now.

Also, you don't seem to understand immigration and legality so...

Better than you.

 

[Hades]

Something a bit more lighthearted

https://www.irishstar.com/news/us-news/jd-vance-ridiculed-40-car-36688400

So Vance is in Italy, mostly for vacation and the olympics but has a meeting with Meloni as well and requires a 100 armored cars motorcade. Which is also made of American sized vehicles that are a bad fit for Italian streets because they are comically oversized.

He and his stuff also needed 14 planes.

I am not sure there is a single royal family/ other head of state on the planet travelling remotely that wasteful. And he isn't even the president, just someone who takes over if something happens to the real one.

I am pretty sure he thinks this makes him look important but in reality he looks like an insecure moron.

But well, US taxpayers have money to spend.

Imagine being JD Vance(Horrifying I know). You go to Italy....ITALY! And then you have American flood flown over....while you're in Italy! Just eat the Italian food, you loser. Its a step up in all metrics, and it even has overlap with American food via Pizza.

 

[BrawlMan]

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