Literally promoting Trump winning while being able to tell yourself you didn't spend your vote this election in a fashion that promotes Trump winning.
Considering its one or the other it really isn't. The dems losing automatically means Trump winning. You can't have one without the other.
Its funny because voting against an incompetent and corrupt traitor who knowingly bungles pandemics and had a creepy program about replacing democracy with himself is in one's best interest. You can just say its about antipathy, and that your best interests and principles are secondary to the desire to punish those you don't like. Again, its not even that unreasonable. Spite is an understandable enough motive.
I am. And I'm trying to convince others to as well. I'm just not going to vote for an active genocide.
Unless you, crimson5phoenix, Tippy, and Schadrach all live in swing states none of your votes are really going to matter much in the grand scheme of Trump winning or losing.
It's amazing that we are responsible for what a guy we don't even vote for does while he is in office but people who actively vote for Harris get to just wash their hands of voting to continue genocide...
I Live in Michigan. It is a swing state. Regardless, mine and everybody else's vote always matter and still does.
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Logical is up for debate, and depends on the voter's individual desired impacts and how they've evaluated risks and likelihoods. But it is definitely principled. Deciding something on a matter of principle, and thereby increasing the possibility of the only other alternatives (even if worse), is almost the definition of principled.
Firstly, broadly agree. Though a note, voting is the least impactful point of the political process. Ok, second least just above arguing about politics on a gaming forum. But anyway, organizing and agitating are more important than voting. Voting should be the final step in the political process. But that does mean that votes are a final tally at how successful a politician has run their campaign.
The republican voters support the genocide. Half of the democratic voters do as well. Combined that makes every anti-genocide candidate a liability.
Then Harris will keep sliding right while you guys cheer her on. Doing the right thing isn't the easy thing. You have all Lesser Evil'ed our way into this fucking mess and now the butchers bill is due. We've been warning you this would happen if you kept having no demands except "not be republicans" for these past 20 some years and so now here we are.
Well, basically, yes. I would say of Trump that for the most part his bark is worse than his bite. But if he does get in and really tears shit up, the simplest answer to the USA at large is "Well, that's what you voted for". Collectively, the whole nation can take responsibility, and within that all the way down to individuals. Didn't like it? Well, as that was the practical end result of your vote, then you voted for it.
I don't remember the Holocaust starting because Jews committed a terrorist attack against Germany killing 1,200 people including women and children. That part must not have made it into my history books.
I should reiterate that I consider voting third-party a reasonable choice (abstention less so). I've not condemned anyone for doing so-- and will note there's been quite a lot of vitriol in this thread from both camps (the lesser-evil-dem voter camp and the third-party voter camps).
Yes, how dare the Palestinian People fight back against their oppressors!
One man's already been arrested for this.
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Like I said, I don't support Israel's current actions.Yes, how dare the Palestinian People fight back against their oppressors!
(Not to mention out of those 1,200 killed, how many were soldiers and then how many of the civilians were taken out by Israel itself with their own Hannibal Directive? Because Hamas had a bunch of guns and whatnot but that huge car graveyard was filled with vehicles that were completely obliterated by explosions.
After reading more into how Israeli citizens treat Palestinians, I'm shocked that there aren't daily October 7ths happening. Fuck Israel.
But let's say, for fun, that you are 100% absolute correct. The evil Hamas attacked completely unprovoked and killed 1,200 crying helpless defenseless little babies. The babies looked straight in the eyes of the Hamas fighters and said "We are innocent, we were just born! Please don't do this" and the Hamas terrorists just laughs before taking their knife and slitting every single babies throat.
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The latest death toll stands at 42,979 Palestinians and 1,139 people killed in Israel since October 7, 2023.www.aljazeera.com
Right now the unofficial count is approx mid 43,000 (with some saying it is much closer to six figures given how many bodies are just literally vaporized by all the bombs and rubble from Israel but we'll stick with the "official" count). A stupid amount of people in this are not Hamas but civilians.
How many fucking people do these cunts get a free pass to kill because of October 7th? I don't believe a single thing Israel has to say about October 7th but even if it were 100% factually true, a terrorist attack doesn't give you a blank check to genocide an entire people.
To be fair, Tippy didn't do that. I did. And if people are going to consequentialism me and others into saying we actually support Trump when we say we support Stein, I'm going to turn that right around and point out they support genocide if they support Kamala. If we're playing the reduction game, we can play.
