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2S? I assume that's two-spirit? I don't recall seeing that in the one acronym to bring them all and in the darkness bind them before. Not bad.
It's usually folded into the +. The longest version of it I've seen in the wild was LGBTQIAA2SP+.
 

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Trump says "I don't mind that so much" if assassins fired through reporters to get him:


“I have this piece of glass here. But all we have really over here is the fake news, right? And to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news,” Trump said. “And I don’t mind that so much. I don’t mind.”
The hilarious part, though, is what his spokesman says he meant.

“President Trump was stating that the Media was in danger, in that they were protecting him and, therefore, were in great danger themselves, and should have had a glass protective shield, also. There can be no other interpretation of what was said. He was actually looking out for their welfare, far more than his own!”
Even Baghdad Bob is over there saying "tone it down, bro".
 
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Speaking of media hypocrisy and double standards, many places are saying Rogan “snubbed” a Harris podcast, but it’s not the full story.



Control is an interesting prerogative here. Hmm…


You know, first it was Kennedy, then Nixon, and most recently Trump. All had or have an anti-establishment slant or perhaps even “agenda” if you will, and for that they were targeted using whatever possible means to shut them down. Control over the people has always been the end goal, and thinking government is a “friend” is being rather ignorant of history.


"The forest was shrinking but the trees kept voting for the axe, for the axe was clever and convinced the trees that because his handle was made of wood he was one of them." - Turkish proverb

On one hand Trump sure as hell is no saint, but on the other these corporate media conglomerates and the political elite they protect have been ghoulish throughout this ordeal especially, to the point I wouldn’t put much of anything past them, and no amount of rich and famous celebrity endorsements will change that. Ordinary people’s lives will ultimately be the fallout, and eventually it will reach the point where they won’t even need to hide their true intentions anymore. Watch what we say, read what we say, think what we say, feel what we say. Basically, welcome to 1984.



The latest smearing, which surprisingly even some liberals and Trump critics are calling out -



What’s ironic is the general notion that nobody *really* hated Trump until he had an “R” by his name, and the unending stream of liberal muckraking in the span of things since can take a big chunk of blame for the hysteria that followed.



An outside observer's perspective -



"Garbage!" lol
 
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Welp, the election day is tomorrow.

I think I've already said it, but it bears repeating: if you have any preference in this election and are legally allowed to vote, I encourage you to do so. That is all.
 

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For your "predictions" though...



All you're doing is lying to yourself if you are trying to convince me that Trump can possibly be worse than Biden/Harris on Gaza. Gaza is CURRENTLY being turned into a parking lot, there is no "Well if Trump wins, Gaza will be turned into a parking lot and made to be beachfront property!!!". It's already happening. We are seeing it live streamed by Israel and the IDF and the people of Gaza.

Vote for Harris if you want but I wish Democrats would just drop the damn act and just say "We don't care enough about the genocide in Gaza for it to factor into our vote". Just stop pretending like they're voting Harris because she'll be better for Palestine than Trump would be and that they're far more concerned about what Trump will do here than they are about a bunch of foreigners in some other country being slaughtered. I could at least begrudgingly respect that over lying straight to my face about how Harris will be better for Palestine because she pays lip service about how Israel needs to stop blowing up civilians.

As I've stated in every election since I started voting Third Party, I would be ecstatic if The Democrats would prove me wrong. I would love nothing more than to come back into this thread in six months and go "I was so very wrong, I'm sorry". But I haven't been wrong about The Democrats yet so I have no reason to believe I'll be wrong this time. Voting Democrat this go around is giving them the green light to do whatever the hell they want to and it's only a matter of when, not if, they decide a cause close to you becomes the next one to get the chopping block...
Bibi is holding his party back from doing more genocide

Biden has made a massive difference and made Bibi. If Trump was in power, there would already be no Gaza. I dont just mean the people. It would be flatten.

That's what the Orthodox Jews have been asking since day one. They want to kill everyone. They are disappointed it didn't happen Oct 8

This is not a defence of Biden. He could have done way more.

If you think what is happening now is bad, it can get WAY worse. Like, astronomically worse. Right now, only about 100k dead. The aim is 2 million and it was supposed to be yesterday

You probably also want to question if assassinating Bidi today would be a good thing. It's a toss of a coin whether you get someone better who might slow down (but still pretty genocidal) or far more genocidal than Bibi. Because it's probably going to be the latter

For example, removing all funding would be a green light for Israel to invade Gaza further. Arresting Bibi and putting him in jail would green-light a bigger invasion of Gaza. Invading Israel would lead to an invasion of Gaza. That one the IDF might lose, but they also have nukes. So Gaza wouldn't survive. Placing sanctions on Israel will just lead to an invasion. They aren't interested in not invading. That was the whole point of the settlements. They already have what they want

No, you're not going to be wrong. Dems will NOT change their mind. You will not have to come back in 6 months ' time. I have claimed that this whole time. Pointedly. Repeatedly.

Edit: I wouldnt put it past Trump to invade Gaza on behalf of Israel
 
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Hey, democrats reliably make overtures to the left when they lose. They push to the right more when they win.
Is this meant to be sarcasm?

Legit, what are you talking about? They pushed right straight away after losing to Trump and solely blamed the Left for their loss
 

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Is this meant to be sarcasm?

Legit, what are you talking about? They pushed right straight away after losing to Trump and solely blamed the Left for their loss
As democrats tried to message constantly in the start of the administration, Biden tried some leftism. He was really incompetent and gave up way too easy, but compared to Hillary's messaging, Biden might as well have been FDR. They actually put a raise to the minimum wage in front of congress. They got an easy out with the parliamentarian, but compared to Hillary after 8 years of Obama, that's pretty amazing. No, all the messaging that "dems go right when they lose" is a bunch of shit. They go right when they win, and the longer they stay in power, the more comfortable with right wing nonsense they get.
 

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If Trump doesn't win this time, will the Dems change enough so that Trump or the guy that replaces Trump once he dies doesn't win in 4 years time?
Blunt answer, I believe that question will be irrelevant come tomorrow.
 

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Blunt answer, I believe that question will be irrelevant come tomorrow.
Quite possibly, but conversely, the answer to that question would likely mean the answer to tomorrow's question irrelevant in the long term as well.
 

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As democrats tried to message constantly in the start of the administration, Biden tried some leftism. He was really incompetent and gave up way too easy, but compared to Hillary's messaging, Biden might as well have been FDR. They actually put a raise to the minimum wage in front of congress. They got an easy out with the parliamentarian, but compared to Hillary after 8 years of Obama, that's pretty amazing. No, all the messaging that "dems go right when they lose" is a bunch of shit. They go right when they win, and the longer they stay in power, the more comfortable with right wing nonsense they get.
No, Biden has been pretty bad since day one. If anything, he shuffled left the last couple of years putting up 'progressive' policies he was not interested in during the election. It's hard to tell, he moves so slow
 

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If Trump doesn't win this time, will the Dems change enough so that Trump or the guy that replaces Trump once he dies doesn't win in 4 years time?
If Trump wins, will the Dems change enough so that Trump or the guy that replaces Trump once he dies doesn't win in 4 years time?

I am assuming there would be another election which might be a bad assumption
 

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If Trump wins, will the Dems change enough so that Trump or the guy that replaces Trump once he dies doesn't win in 4 years time?

I am assuming there would be another election which might be a bad assumption
Yeah, wouldn't be surprised, though Trump didn't get away with that last time. Mind you, there's banning elections, and then there's the normal voter suppression which could be revved up a lot, bit of a grey area.
 

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I actually posted evidence that people think that way. For that matter, YOU actually posted evidence that people think that way.
I posted some evidence that third-party votes draw from Republicans more than Democrats, since nobody else had bothered.

Nobody has provided evidence that anti-genocide third-party voters care so much about making the Democrats lose that they'd be happy supporting other genocide candidates if the third-party wasn't there. That's not the same thing, and flies directly in the face of what the other third-party voters in this very thread have been arguing.
 

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Yeah, wouldn't be surprised, though Trump didn't get away with that last time. Mind you, there's banning elections, and then there's the normal voter suppression which could be revved up a lot, bit of a grey area.
Or take a cue from 'BFF' Putin and do them Russian style.
 

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So here's a fun one for the "Republicans suppress the vote!" crowd:


A location in Bucks county (suburban spaces mostly, between Philadelphia and Allentown, leans slightly red) had long lines for people doing "early voting", and they cut off the line on the last day and turned people away. The Republican campaigns filed suit to have them opened back up so that people could continue to vote there, the judge agreed and extended the deadline there an extra couple days. To be clear, I am not villainizing the election staff there. "Early voting" doesn't really exist in PA, it isn't codified, it only exists as a consequence of a court decision from 2020 allowing counties to open physical locations for in-person mail-in voting. Rules like "the polls must remain open until all waiting voters get through" don't clearly apply to something like this, and there really isn't precedent, and the people there probably had an already long and frustrating day and didn't expect to work a 16 hour shift so that people can vote early. They didn't violate any laws, the matter was taken to the courts, the ruling was handed down, the remedy established, the system worked as intended. There are Republicans acting like these people being sent home was a Democratic criminal conspiracy to stop Trump voters, I wish they wouldn't act like that, it isn't that and they look like jerks for suggesting it.

But consider if roles were reversed. If this was a long line of mostly blue voters being turned away and the Democrats sued to reopen it, the popular narrative would 100% be that it's voter suppression to benefit Republicans and the Democrats are defending democracy. The Trump campaign is not going to get that credit for fighting for people's opportunity to vote here, that's just not the story the media wants to play, which leads me to this bit.


The Washington Post brings their conservative guest in to talk on their podcast, and while he is there they frame the question as "Donald Trump laying the groundwork to contest the election... by suing Bucks county for alleged irregularities." And the guy just walks off and actually quits the job live on air. Trump's campaign gets the election office to open longer and let more people vote, and WaPo characterizes it as Trump preparing to reject the election results like last time "and that worked out last time but it didn't work out this time" (seriously, they're saying there that a court ruling opening the election office for extra time to vote is the system "not working" because it went in Trump's favor), and that guy was just having none of it, and it was really genuinely satisfying to watch.
 

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Kamala leads nationwide by a record low of +0.8%.
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Swing states: Kamala leads in Georgia, Nevada, North Carolina and Wisconsin.
She's tied with Trump in Michigan and Pennsylvania. Trump leads in Arizona.

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