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Funny. Everyone swore Trump was some sort of famously peaceful president but now he's in office he's been talking a while about using economic pressure and violence to seize lands from Denmark, Panama and Canada. Almost as if you were all hoodwinked and bamboozled. Trump doesn't hate war. Trump just says he does to get votes from a war weary public while only really disliking wars that are costly to his Russian friends or private election chances.

I'm sure the usual suspects will go ''lol he's just joking'', but its foolish for Europe that its enemy is just ''joking'' about doing them harm.

Also nice how Trump went to show I'm correct that his claim about European defense spending was merely an excuse to hate us and justify his betrayal rather than a reason. Because now that oh so holy goal of 2% has been made he just goes ''Uh...I meant five 5% so I'm still gonna feel entitled to betray you for not meeting this new rule I just made up''
 

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Quite a lot of context misleadingly omitted there. Clinton commuted the sentences of two people (Rosenberg and Evans) involved in the 83 bombing to time served. Both had served over 15 years in prison by that time.

Rosenberg wasn't sentenced for involvement in the 83 bombing-- that charge was dropped and the commuted sentence was unrelated. And Evans' sentence for the bombing was 5 concurrent years, so it had already been fully served. So neither sentence that got commuted actually had anything to do with the bombing.
Relevance?
At our most charitable to your argument we could bring up Bush vs Gore with some convinced Gore indeed would have won without the supreme court stepping in. Okay. We can accept that. But that was a razor thin and very controversial election, not at all like 2020, and it was not accompanied by the Democrats scheming to install Gore as president and then send a mob Gore's way when he disagreed.
They submitted official objections to the 2004 and 2016 elections, they declared Trump illegitimate and planned for impeachment before he was inaugurated. They did pressure Trump's electors to go faithless for Clinton. They've brought court cases, protested inaugurations... I don't know how you think any of any of what Republican politicians did 4 years ago was unique or unprecedented.
 

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Funny. Everyone swore Trump was some sort of famously peaceful president but now he's in office he's been talking a while about using economic pressure and violence to seize lands from Denmark, Panama and Canada. Almost as if you were all hoodwinked and bamboozled. Trump doesn't hate war. Trump just says he does to get votes from a war weary public while only really disliking wars that are costly to his Russian friends or private election chances.

I'm sure the usual suspects will go ''lol he's just joking'', but its foolish for Europe that its enemy is just ''joking'' about doing them harm.

Also nice how Trump went to show I'm correct that his claim about European defense spending was merely an excuse to hate us and justify his betrayal rather than a reason. Because now that oh so holy goal of 2% has been made he just goes ''Uh...I meant five 5% so I'm still gonna feel entitled to betray you for not meeting this new rule I just made up''
I think you're mistaken in conflating words with war. Democrats, or neocons/neolibs, speak of peace and then bomb people. This is not the same as being aggressive with words and restrained with munitions.
 

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With the sentence "Marxists bombed the capital and Clinton pardoned them", the clear implication (without any other context) is that the pardon was related to sentences stemming from that bombing. It's entirely relevant to point out the bombing and the commutated sentences were entirely unrelated. You know this, of course, and either didn't realise or (more likely) just hoped to get the inaccuracy of that implication under the radar.
 

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With the sentence "Marxists bombed the capital and Clinton pardoned them", the clear implication (without any other context) is that the pardon was related to sentences stemming from that bombing. It's entirely relevant to point out the bombing and the commutated sentences were entirely unrelated. You know this, of course, and either didn't realise or (more likely) just hoped to get the inaccuracy of that implication under the radar.
I don't think that level of detail changes anything meaningfully. I'm talking to someone who thinks Republicans 4 years ago did totally unique things that nobody on the left has ever done or would ever do.
 

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Trump having a real one today

That ad on the left is just chefs kiss
For anyone not from the US, who thinks he is going to do this. He won't, you know who would stop Donald Trump from using the US Military to take Greenland, and the Panama Canal... The US military.

I studied US civil-military relations in college, they don't let anyone become a high-ranking officer, Flint is an exemption most people are like Mattis, McMaster, or Kelly.
 

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For anyone not from the US, who thinks he is going to do this. He won't, you know who would stop Donald Trump from using the US Military to take Greenland, and the Panama Canal... The US military.

I studied US civil-military relations in college, they don't let anyone become a high-ranking officer, Flint is an exemption most people are like Mattis, McMaster, or Kelly.
I can't imagine anyone actually thinks he's going to do any of this stuff (or if he attempts to, that he won't be stopped) but do you think it's still not a HUGE problem that the man who will become one of the most powerful people in the world in 13 days is running his mouth like a WWE Star cutting a promo?
 

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What are you talking about?
Yesterday was the first time since 1989 that a Republican President was allowed to have the electoral votes counted without objection from Democrats.
Yup, I called it: The Trump apologists break out the "oh, he won't do what he says" bit.

You unmitigated clown.
So, in 4 years when Trump hasn't taken military action against Greenland, are you going to apologize?
 

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Lo and behold the fash cranks into gear, taking flight. hope everyone got at least 4 years worth of shocked Pikachu face immunity


GOP-controlled N.C. Supreme Court blocks certification of Democrat as winner of close high court race
The order allows the state Supreme Court to hear a challenge by the Republican candidate in the race — who trails by just 734 votes — to have 60,000 ballots thrown out.

Allison Riggs and Jefferson Griffin.

Democrat Allison Riggs leads Republican Jefferson Griffin by 734 votes in North Carolina's Supreme Court race.North Carolina Administrative Office of the Courts via AP

Jan. 7, 2025, 9:05 PM GMT

By Adam Edelman

The North Carolina Supreme Court issued an order Tuesday that blocks state officials from certifying the Democratic candidate as the winner of a razor-thin race for the state’s high court.

In a 5-1 vote, all of the Republicans on the state Supreme court ruled to prevent the North Carolina State Board of Elections from certifying the results of the race, where Democratic Justice Allison Riggs holds a 734-vote lead over Republican Jefferson Griffin. Riggs recused herself from Tuesday’s order.

The decision by the court that Griffin is seeking to join, and that Riggs is seeking to remain on, allows the justices to now hear a challenge from Griffin that seeks to throw out 60,000 votes cast in November.

The order vowed to address the issue “expeditiously” and outlined a schedule that sets a deadline for all briefs in the case to be filed by Jan. 24.

Riggs, who was appointed to the state Supreme Court in 2023, emerged from Election Day with a narrow advantage over Griffin, triggering a series of recounts. A full machine recount and a partial hand recount showed Riggs leading Griffin by 734 votes, out of more than 5.5 million ballots cast.

Griffin subsequently filed hundreds of legal challenges across all of North Carolina’s 100 counties, claiming that nearly 60,000 people voted illegally. Lawyers for Griffin and the North Carolina Republican Party alleged that many of those voters didn’t have a driver’s license number or Social Security number on file in their voter registration records. The allegations were also related to overseas voters who haven’t lived in North Carolina and who failed to provide photo identification with their ballots.

But the state elections board, where Democrats have a 3-2 majority, rejected all three categories of protests by Griffin last month. That prompted Griffin to ask the state Supreme Court to take up his challenges.

The case was initially heard in federal court because the North Carolina Democratic Party had pre-emptively filed a federal suit in December that sought to ensure that all ballots in the race were counted.

But on Monday, the federal judge hearing the case — an appointee of President-elect Donald Trump — sent it back to the state level, siding with a request from Griffin. North Carolina's board of elections has filed an appeal of that decision with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, but that court has not scheduled initial briefs until February.

In its short Tuesday order, the state Supreme Court’s five Republican justices wrote that because the federal court remanded the case back to the state level, it would grant Griffin’s request for the election’s certification to be blocked so it could evaluate the claims regarding the 60,000 votes.

The lone Democrat on the court who voted wrote in a dissent that “the standard for a temporary stay has not been met here,” adding that “there is no likelihood of success on the merits and the public interest requires that the Court not interfere with the ordinary course of democratic processes as set by statute and the state constitution.”

North Carolina Democrats blasted Griffin and the Republicans on the Supreme Court over the latest development.

Former Gov. Roy Cooper wrote on X that “Republicans want to toss thousands of legal votes in the trash because they don’t like the outcome.”

“This shouldn’t be about party politics — this should be about making sure every vote counts & that our elections still mean something,” Cooper wrote.
 

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Yesterday was the first time since 1989 that a Republican President was allowed to have the electoral votes counted without objection from Democrats.
Well there has only been three times (now four) a Republican has won the election since 1989. And two of those times the winning candidate did not carry the majority of the votes. So your observation, while accurate, I don't think is that significant.
 

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I can't imagine anyone actually thinks he's going to do any of this stuff (or if he attempts to, that he won't be stopped) but do you think it's still not a HUGE problem that the man who will become one of the most powerful people in the world in 13 days is running his mouth like a WWE Star cutting a promo?
Nor is "the military will stop said president should the need arise" really something that should be flexed.
 

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https://x.com/mtgreenee/status/1876...-kamala-harris-committed-election-theft-what/

Marjorie Taylor Greene: I thoroughly enjoyed watching Vice President Kamala Harris certify her own election defeat today. She didn’t receive one Democrat vote in the primary and stole the election right out from under Joe Biden. The best part is, she went on to lose in glorious fashion.

Not even winning the presidency stops these guys from ranting about election fraud that never happened.
 
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What are you talking about?
Republicans think that the Dems have been doing Jan 6-style events since Bush v Gore. Eg. the Mueller report, which convicted 37 traitors (and Trump allies), is exactly the same as Jan 6. Yes, it makes no sense. Check the legitimacy of an election through proper channels is not the same as rioting

The funny thing is that, during Bush v Gore, there was one group doing something that was remotely like Jan 6. It's called the Brooks Brothers Riot and it made sure there wasn't a recount in Miami-Dade country. It was led by Roger Stone and many of the rioters were GOP staffers who got jobs under Bush.

It's why I told everyone here, 6 months before the election in 2020, that something like Jan 6 was going to happen. Because they've done it before. I'm already going to predict that if the GOP lose in 2028, they will do some rioting again. It's now the main play
 

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I can't imagine anyone actually thinks he's going to do any of this stuff (or if he attempts to, that he won't be stopped) but do you think it's still not a HUGE problem that the man who will become one of the most powerful people in the world in 13 days is running his mouth like a WWE Star cutting a promo?
I mean, that's been the problem the whole time

You cant imagine
 

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I can't imagine anyone actually thinks he's going to do any of this stuff (or if he attempts to, that he won't be stopped) but do you think it's still not a HUGE problem that the man who will become one of the most powerful people in the world in 13 days is running his mouth like a WWE Star cutting a promo?
And more to the point, what will his administration actually be doing whilst he's distracting everyone with absurd headline-grabbing nonsense?

Secondly, what if constant trumpeting of this extremely awful garbage tricks enough of the populace into accepting the merely awful? After all, that's why the Democrats end up celebrating Liz Cheney.