US 2024 Presidential Election

[thebobmaster]

To answer point #4, the Supreme Court has basically said in recent times that nothing the President does is illegal. Or rather, that proving that actions taken in the name of presidential duties have such a ridiculous high bar to prove unlawfulness that it might as well be legal.

 

[Hades]

I thought president Musk and vice president Vance were free speech absolutists. I could also swear Vance traveled to Europe to shout about how much he hated us due to us allegedly ''not having free speech''.

 

[Agema]

To answer point #4, the Supreme Court has basically said in recent times that nothing the President does is illegal. Or rather, that proving that actions taken in the name of presidential duties have such a ridiculous high bar to prove unlawfulness that it might as well be legal.

Well, the president can't "commit a crime", but that's not quite the same thing as whether he has the legal power to do something.

For instance, in order to jail someone, there needs to be a court case, and the local prosecutor services have to decide to take the case to court. So for instance if the local prosecutors decline to pursue a case, I'm not sure Trump has any power whatsoever to make a prosecution happen. Maybe he can get the FBI to rustle up a federal case? I dunno.

 

[thebobmaster]

Well, the president can't "commit a crime", but that's not quite the same thing as whether he has the legal power to do something.

For instance, in order to jail someone, there needs to be a court case, and the local prosecutor services have to decide to take the case to court. So for instance if the local prosecutors decline to pursue a case, I'm not sure Trump has any power whatsoever to make a prosecution happen. Maybe he can get the FBI to rustle up a federal case? I dunno.

Fair point. In that case, what I have to say is...with how Trump has shown himself to fire/do whatever he can to anyone who says no to him, what are the odds that someone will continue to say no to him?

 

[Chimpzy]

Tariff War Risks Sinking World Into New Great Depression, International Chamber of Commerce Warns

The world economy could face a downturn similar to the Great Depression of the 1930s unless the U.S. rows back on its plans to impose steep tariffs on imports, a senior official at the International Chamber of Commerce warned.

www.wsj.com

Wrong! It'll be the greatest despression. Never seen before in this world. Everyone will be saying it.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

To answer point #4, the Supreme Court has basically said in recent times that nothing the President does is illegal. Or rather, that proving that actions taken in the name of presidential duties have such a ridiculous high bar to prove unlawfulness that it might as well be legal.

The president was always immune to being arrested. Nixon wasn't even arrested. You always had to go and impeach and try a president, that was always the method, THEN you can arrest and try the president criminally for whatever crime after they've been kicked out of office.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Tariff War Risks Sinking World Into New Great Depression, International Chamber of Commerce Warns

The world economy could face a downturn similar to the Great Depression of the 1930s unless the U.S. rows back on its plans to impose steep tariffs on imports, a senior official at the International Chamber of Commerce warned.

www.wsj.com

Wrong! It'll be the greatest despression. Never seen before in this world. Everyone will be saying it.

Yuge

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

Illegal, eh?

It is illegal to displease the Emperor.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

 

[tstorm823]

Context is king.

If people have a problem affording food now, being told to grow/raise their own by someone with:

• a garden / space
• set-up money
• probably staff
• education / know-how
• low crime area
• no delay because production already exists
• etc.

is not remotely useful.

It's a form of "let them eat cake" comment, from a privileged twit with no conception of what millions of her fellow citizens have to live with, and for whom this is a impractical thing to do. As usual, it's also likely to be least practical for the people with the most need, i.e. the poor.

If a politician wants people to grow their own stuff, then they need to create a system that facilitates them doing so. Otherwise they're just some pompous prick fobbing off problems with nonsense.

A) You're not allowed to consider context without considering the words as well. Did she tell people "if you can't afford eggs, raise your own chickens?" No? Huh, almost your entire response is void.
B) If people who do have the space and means to raise animals on their property do so in larger quantities, it increases the supply of eggs, which would lower the price for the people who don't have that. So it's plenty useful for the poor in the broad picture.
C) Even if you read only the article in this thread, you'd see the quote "We also want to make it easier for families to raise backyard chickens” as just a piece of her "five-part plan to reduce egg prices." So your italics were acknowledged by her before you even thought to type them.

 

[tstorm823]

3) No masks? Sorry, are we in a timewarp back to 2020?

"Protestors" wear masks to hide their identity.

 

[Gordon_4]

A) You're not allowed to consider context without considering the words as well. Did she tell people "if you can't afford eggs, raise your own chickens?" No? Huh, almost your entire response is void.
B) If people who do have the space and means to raise animals on their property do so in larger quantities, it increases the supply of eggs, which would lower the price for the people who don't have that. So it's plenty useful for the poor in the broad picture.
C) Even if you read only the article in this thread, you'd see the quote "We also want to make it easier for families to raise backyard chickens” as just a piece of her "five-part plan to reduce egg prices." So your italics were acknowledged by her before you even thought to type them.

Chickens need a fair amount of space to be housed correctly and it’s no small effort to keep that space and the chickens themselves clean and healthy. At absolute minimum for two birds - because they get lonely - I’d want at least a six meter by twelve meter fenced space for a coop and general feeding area. Cleaning that area on a fortnightly basis will take a couple hours and let me tell you, chasing chickens so you can delouse them really makes you appreciate why Muhammad Ali chased one as a training exercise. Then there’s overall yard security so predators can be reasonably kept out and if you’re unlucky enough to get a pair with a talent for Houdini bullshit, keep them IN.

Then there’s the consideration of proper storage of both hay and feed. A garden shed is fine but the hay needs to be off the ground AND the roof needs to be water proof. A good one of those is about 6x6m but 4x4 can work if hay and food is about all you use it for.

Now anyone with anything that resembles a backyard in the US is probably already quids in for the space at least but I’m thinking that many folks feeling this pinch are the ones in apartments located in high density urban areas.

Now apartment living is very alien to me because my lucky ass has been in houses since day dot but even based on television - so grab that barrel of salt - the green spaces of sufficient size to do this are rarer than rocking horse shit. That’s going to take some massive shifts in city management and how green spaces are allocated and used.

Like, raising your own chickens (or ducks if you want the extra challenge) is a worthwhile exercise since fresh eggs rule, the chickens will eat many garden pests - just make sure the little buggers don’t make secret nests elsewhere in the garden - and they’re also very strangely endearing animals in a way. But it’s not going to be helpful advice for a few years yet for a lot of Americans feeling the squeeze.

 

[Thaluikhain]

Tariff War Risks Sinking World Into New Great Depression, International Chamber of Commerce Warns

The world economy could face a downturn similar to the Great Depression of the 1930s unless the U.S. rows back on its plans to impose steep tariffs on imports, a senior official at the International Chamber of Commerce warned.

www.wsj.com

Wrong! It'll be the greatest despression. Never seen before in this world. Everyone will be saying it.

Before the Great Depression there was the Great Depression, which got renamed the Long Depression retroactively. It'd be on par for Trump to name his one the Great Depression. Of course, he'd make everyone else correct the history books, which now that I think of it is also on par.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

More people start growing and raising some of their own food, Republican thinks it's cool, Democrats mock her and assure everyone they'll be back on the corporate systems in no time. Geez, politics drives you all insane.

It makes perfect sense when you realize that you can't do that in cities. Show me a single apartment building that lets people raise chickens in their unit.

It's an idea that she clearly didn't think about for more than a second. After all, who doesn't just have acres of farmland to raise whatever animals they want?

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

For instance, in order to jail someone, there needs to be a court case, and the local prosecutor services have to decide to take the case to court. So for instance if the local prosecutors decline to pursue a case, I'm not sure Trump has any power whatsoever to make a prosecution happen. Maybe he can get the FBI to rustle up a federal case? I dunno.

Not if you just send people to Guantanamo Bay or any number of past and potentially future internment camps without a trial.

There's a German tourist who was in the US legally is currently being held in custody by ICE. She's been imprisoned for a month without any kind evidence of wrongdoing or trial, and is being held indefinitely.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/04/world/german-detained-ice-intl-latam/index.html

‘Like a horror movie’: Ice detaining German tourist in California indefinitely

Jessica Brösche has spent more than a month in detention center after being denied entry at San Diego from Mexico

www.theguardian.com

 

[crimson5pheonix]

More people start growing and raising some of their own food, Republican thinks it's cool, Democrats mock her and assure everyone they'll be back on the corporate systems in no time. Geez, politics drives you all insane.

Why would anyone complain about high food prices ever? Just raise your own animals and mill your own wheat, inflation is in the mind amirite?

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Why would anyone complain about high food prices ever? Just raise your own animals and mill your own wheat, inflation is in the mind amirite?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Trump Ag Secretary's Clucked-Up Advice On Eggs Has Critics Squawking

Brooke Rollins' idea to combat rising prices isn't going over very well.

www.huffpost.com

Tldr: just get backyard chickens. Problem solved.

Victory gardens. The British did that in WW2, when the Nazis were causing shortages and...oh. Oh.

 

[Chimpzy]

Victory gardens. The British did that in WW2, when the Nazis were causing shortages and...oh. Oh.

They should also advise people to put small furnaces in their backyards to make steel with.

 

[tstorm823]

It's an idea that she clearly didn't think about for more than a second.

Quite the contrary, I think you didn't think about what she said for more than a second. You just gut reacted to a misleading headline. She did not ever suggest that people too poor to buy eggs should just raise their own chickens, rather she praised people who are trying to raise chickens, the quote is "people are sort of looking around and thinking 'wow maybe I could get a chicken in my back yard and it's awesome", and suggested maybe the government could allow more people to do so, along with a $1.5bn plan to work on cleaning up the avian flu issues and import eggs for short-term needs.

Trump admin unveils $1.5B plan to curb rising egg prices, boost supply

Agriculture Secretary Rollins said the plan includes a $500 million investment to strengthen biosecurity measures for farmers.

www.newsweek.com