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Do you think that noose was actually intended to hang someone?
Freedom of speech also encompasses stating that someone deserves to die and a preference for someone dying so I could give someone the benefit of the doubt and say that a display of a noose is not meant to be taken literally.

That argument goes out the moment once you form a mob, breaking and entering the building where the person you expressed such sentiments over is located. So irrespective of how functional that noose would be for hanging someone, it is to be treated as an intimidation attempt and a statement of intent.
 

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It does not. I have a simple test for you: Do you think people on January 6th were trying to hang Mike Pence?
Can you explain why you think they didn't when they directly stated that's what they wanted and then stormed the building he was in to get to him?

Some people say it was just a rowdy tourist visit but Babid wasn't shot for taking selfies, but for trying to get through a door behind which politicians(targets one might even say) were fleeing.
 

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Can you explain why you think they didn't when they directly stated that's what they wanted and then stormed the building he was in to get to him?
I know you lie to yourself, I'd like to know Bedinsis' answer.
 

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It does not. I have a simple test for you: Do you think people on January 6th were trying to hang Mike Pence?
With the power of hindsight, no. I only say that because I saw the footage of their activities once they entered the building. They were trying to find evidence of electoral fraud. How they'd reacted if they actually encountered Pence is anybody's guess.
 

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Trump's commerce secretary decided to publicly promote Tesla stock, something which is against the law (if you care about law anymore).

 

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Trump's commerce secretary decided to publicly promote Tesla stock, something which is against the law (if you care about law anymore).

Oh that ship sailed months ago. The US had the chance to deny criminals, rapists and traitors power but apparently was fine with those people coming to power. Because mu eggs or some gibberish like that.
 

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With the power of hindsight, no. I only say that because I saw the footage of their activities once they entered the building. They were trying to find evidence of electoral fraud. How they'd reacted if they actually encountered Pence is anybody's guess.
The nice thing is that anyone who is willing can have equal hindsight, so when others post a picture of mock gallows as evidence of a planned hanging, the deliberate nature of their ignorance is thoroughly displayed.
 

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The nice thing is that anyone who is willing can have equal hindsight, so when others post a picture of mock gallows as evidence of a planned hanging, the deliberate nature of their ignorance is thoroughly displayed.
Out of interest, what do you think the gallows were intended to communicate? What's the message?
 

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Do you think that noose was actually intended to hang someone?
Actually, for something they had to carry in parts and that had to be assembled on the spot and fast and by a bunch of amateurs, the noose looks pretty good. I couldn't even say that it is not functional.

If they just wanted a symbol, they wouldn't have needed to go the extra mile.
 

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Out of interest, what do you think the gallows were intended to communicate? What's the message?
That they considered certifying the election an act of treason, punishable by death. The exact people who set them up are technically unknown, but online discussions from before the event show people sharing ideas for plans on putting up those gallows to "show them the stakes". Telling someone they're committing a capital offense does not imply you intend to enact that punishment personally. One might even note that grammatically, "Hang Mike Pence" is an instruction for someone else to do it.
Actually, for something they had to carry in parts and that had to be assembled on the spot and fast and by a bunch of amateurs, the noose looks pretty good. I couldn't even say that it is not functional.

If they just wanted a symbol, they wouldn't have needed to go the extra mile.
You and I are not seeing the same thing then. The noose itself is fine, but that's just a knot, you can learn and execute that in 10 minutes and bring it pretied. It's hanging from visibly crooked, barely touching 4x4s that you could likely knock over with one hand. The nail sticking out of the top suggests they didn't even get the few nails holding it together driven into the wood very far. The frame there is like 5 feet high, the noose itself hanging lower than that, and there's nothing about the platform beneath that would drop someone through it, so you couldn't hang someone vertically on those gallows even if it could hold the weight. The stairs and platform look pretty good, but the discussions of it online suggest those were premade in two or three parts that had to just be assembled on sight, and it makes sense they would put the effort into that part, as it doesn't really matter if the contents on top are symbolic or not, if you intend to stand on a platform, you need that part to be sturdy. The distinction in quality between the stairs and the cross beam makes pretty clear which of these was intended to hold human weight and which actually wasn't.
 

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That they considered certifying the election an act of treason, punishable by death. The exact people who set them up are technically unknown, but online discussions from before the event show people sharing ideas for plans on putting up those gallows to "show them the stakes". Telling someone they're committing a capital offense does not imply you intend to enact that punishment personally. One might even note that grammatically, "Hang Mike Pence" is an instruction for someone else to do it.
So you believe they're saying he should be killed, but not specifically that they'll do it?

And you'd feel perfectly safe around hundreds of such people, had you been the recipient of that message, and seen them attempt to break into your place of work?
 

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Statement from Drop Site News on Israel’s Murder of Our Colleague Hossam Shabat: We Hold Both Israel and the U.S. Government Responsible

Today, March 24, 2025, Israel killed journalist Hossam Shabat, a reporter for Al Jazeera Mubasher and a contributing reporter to Drop Site News, in what witnesses described as a targeted strike. Hossam was a tremendous young journalist who exhibited remarkable courage and tenacity as he documented the U.S.-facilitated genocide against the Palestinians of Gaza. One of the few journalists who didn’t leave the northern Gaza Strip, Hossam was murdered in Beit Lahia, the site of some of the most intense Israeli bombing and mass killing operations.


Hossam Shabat. Source: X.

Drop Site News holds Israel and the U.S. responsible for killing Hossam. The journalist Mohammad Mansour, a correspondent for Palestine Today, was also killed Monday in an Israeli attack on a house in Khan Younis in southern Gaza. More than 200 of our Palestinian media colleagues have been killed by Israel—supplied with weapons and given blanket impunity by most Western governments—over the past seventeen months.

“If you’re reading this, it means I have been killed—most likely targeted—by the Israeli occupation forces,” Hossam wrote in a statement posted posthumously by his friends on his social media accounts. “For [the] past 18 months, I have dedicated every moment of my life to my people. I documented the horrors in northern Gaza minute by minute, determined to show the world the truth they tried to bury. I slept on pavements, in schools, in tents—anywhere I could. Each day was a battle for survival. I endured hunger for months, yet I never left my people’s side.”

Hossam, who was just 23, filed poetic and painful dispatches from Gaza. He never separated himself from the people whose lives and deaths he documented. “Time now is measured not in minutes, but in lifetimes of pain and tears” as people in Gaza waited for the implementation of the ceasefire, Hossam wrote in an article for Drop Site in January. “With every passing moment the anxiety and tension of the people here grows, as they wonder whether they will stay alive long enough for the fire to cease.”

As Palestinian journalists in Gaza continue to document the genocide against their families and their people, most of the world encounters their work only through their video reports on social media. They are so much more than those videos. Hossam was born into a period of escalating Israeli annexation, siege, and genocide. Unflagging in the face of constant deprivation and violence, Hossam once summarized his life’s dedication in an interview: “I say to the world, I am continuing. I am covering the events with an empty stomach, steadfast and persevering. I am Hossam Shabat, from the resilient northern Gaza Strip.”

Hours before he was killed, Hossam filed a story for Drop Site about Israel’s resumption of its scorched earth bombing of Gaza last week that killed over 400 people, including nearly 200 children in a matter of hours. He was eager to publish. “I want to share the text urgently,” he wrote in Arabic. He always wanted to get the story out—to report what was happening on the ground. About a year ago, Hossam wrote, “Before this genocide started, I was a young college student studying journalism. Little did I know I would be given one of the hardest jobs in the world: to cover the genocide of my own people.”

In October 2024, the Israeli military placed Hossam and five other Palestinian journalists on a hit list. Hossam regularly received death threats by call and text. What we have witnessed for nearly a year and a half is the Israeli military engaging in a systematic campaign to kill Palestinian journalists, as well as members of their families. Hossam leaves behind his beloved mother and his people, whose lives he tirelessly worked to represent and protect.

During this unprecedented killing campaign against journalists, the silence of so many of our colleagues in the Western media is a stain on the profession. The International Federation of Journalists has put out a list, by name, of many of the journalists and media workers who have been killed or injured in Gaza. In a just world, those who helped to kill Hossam—and all of our Palestinian colleagues—would be brought to justice and tried for their crimes. We call on all journalists to raise their voices to demand an end to the killing of our Palestinian colleagues who have risked, and often given, their lives so that the truth itself can live.

Hossam’s last message was: “I ask you now: do not stop speaking about Gaza. Do not let the world look away. Keep fighting, keep telling our stories—until Palestine is free.”
Remember the oscars and the oscar winners? One of them already been lynched by Israeli settlers, and then kidnapped and disappeared while being transported in ambulance to not be seen since


Oscar-winning Palestinian director is attacked by Jewish settlers and arrested, activists say


JERUSALEM — Israeli settlers beat up one of the Palestinian co-directors of the Oscar-winning film “ No Other Land ” in the occupied West Bank on Monday, and he was then detained by the Israeli military, activists on the scene said.

Dozens of settlers attacked the Palestinian village of Susiya in the Masafer Yatta area, destroying property, said the activist group Center for Jewish Nonviolence.

They attacked Hamdan Ballal, one of the documentary’s co-directors, leaving his head bleeding, the activists said. As he was being treated in an ambulance, soldiers detained him and a second Palestinian man, the group said. It said his whereabouts were now unknown.

“No Other Land,” which won the Oscar this year for best documentary, chronicles the struggle by residents of Masafer Yatta to stop the Israeli military from demolishing their villages. It has two Palestinian co-directors, Ballal and Basel Adra, both residents of Masafar Yatta, and two Israeli directors, Yuval Abraham and Rachel Szor.

Basel Adra, from left, Rachel Szor, Hamdan Ballal, and Yuval Abraham, winners of the award for best documentary feature film for No Other Land, pose in the press room at the Oscars on Sunday, March 2, 2025, at the Dolby Theatre in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)

Basel Adra, from left, Rachel Szor, Hamdan Ballal, and Yuval Abraham, winners of the award for best documentary feature film for “No Other Land,” pose in the press room at the Oscars on Sunday, March 2, 2025, at the Dolby Theatre in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)



Salem Adra, left, brother of Palestinian activist Basel Adra, who won Best Documentary Feature at the Oscars for No Other Land talks with a local Palestinian shepherd as they stand near an Israeli settlers' outpost at the West Bank village of Tuwani, Monday, March 3, 2025. (AP Photo/Leo Correa)

Salem Adra, left, brother of Palestinian activist Basel Adra, who won Best Documentary Feature at the Oscars for “No Other Land” talks with a local Palestinian shepherd as they stand near an Israeli settlers’ outpost at the West Bank village of Tuwani, Monday, March 3, 2025. (AP Photo/Leo Correa)



Basel Adra, from left, Rachel Szor, Hamdan Ballal, and Yuval Abraham, winners of the award for best documentary feature film for No Other Land, pose in the press room at the Oscars on Sunday, March 2, 2025, at the Dolby Theatre in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)

Basel Adra, from left, Rachel Szor, Hamdan Ballal, and Yuval Abraham, winners of the award for best documentary feature film for “No Other Land,” pose in the press room at the Oscars on Sunday, March 2, 2025, at the Dolby Theatre in Los Angeles. (Photo by Jordan Strauss/Invision/AP)

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JERUSALEM (AP) — Activists say one of the Palestinian co-directors of the Oscar-winning documentary film “No Other Land” was attacked by Jewish settlers and arrested on Monday evening.
what the fuck is with this sparse whitewashed reporting for fucks sake is hard enough trying to maneuver around the tendencies of ppl to tune out all the fucking time
 
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So you believe they're saying he should be killed, but not specifically that they'll do it?

And you'd feel perfectly safe around hundreds of such people, had you been the recipient of that message, and seen them attempt to break into your place of work?
I'm from eastern Pennsylvania... I'm a Philadelphia sports fan. Going to watch public figures do their job while yelling grotesque things at them is an experience people pay money for. I promise, very few of those things have actually been done to the Dallas Cowboys.
 

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I'm from eastern Pennsylvania... I'm a Philadelphia sports fan. Going to watch public figures do their job while yelling grotesque things at them is an experience people pay money for. I promise, very few of those things have actually been done to the Dallas Cowboys.
Have the Dallas Cowboys ever had Eagles fans break down the door to the visiting locker room and beat security guards with flagpoles?
 

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I'm from eastern Pennsylvania... I'm a Philadelphia sports fan. Going to watch public figures do their job while yelling grotesque things at them is an experience people pay money for. I promise, very few of those things have actually been done to the Dallas Cowboys.
To be honest, this could be a cultural difference.

Here in the UK, football hooliganism is certainly a real thing. But at games themselves, fans won't shout about wanting someone dead. They might do that in a pub with a strong affinity for a certain club afterwards/during... but also, those places can be legitimately dangerous if you support a rival. And hooliganism actually does devolve into violence.

You're telling me American football fans will routinely call for players' deaths at the actual games? The situation here in the UK is fucking dire, but that's something else.
 

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Have the Dallas Cowboys ever had Eagles fans break down the door to the visiting locker room and beat security guards with flagpoles?
Nah, but they've certainly thrown batteries in the past.
You're telling me American football fans will routinely call for players' deaths at the actual games?
Ok, no, they don't, but like, not cause they wouldn't. The words are usually much more clever or potentially infinitely less clever than a death wish.

One of my favorites was two years back, the Cowboys' quarterback before the Super Bowl received the award they give to players for having a positive impact in their community outside of football, and the crowd being half Eagles fans booed him. Like, he wasn't even there to play.