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[tstorm823]

It can't be that innocuous of a name. It has "fight" right there in the title.

I would note, they weren't fighting for innocuous things. Erotic expression is not "I just want to be comfortable in myself", that's "I want to display my eroticism". If a straight man says they want freedom of erotic expression, I guarantee every one of you knows that's a pervert getting off on exposing themselves to people.

I'm perfectly aware there were competing movements; I am better informed about the history of the gay rights movement than you are.

Then stop playing dumb and making me explain everything step by step.

 

[Silvanus]

Then stop playing dumb and making me explain everything step by step.

Your explanations, thus far, have been a mess of unsubstantiated assertions and obvious misinterpretations.

Erotic expression is not "I just want to be comfortable in myself", that's "I want to display my eroticism".

Horseshit. There is no implication of publically displaying explicit things. These people were subject to discrimination because of what they expressed to consenting adults within their own homes.

If a straight man says they want freedom of erotic expression, I guarantee every one of you knows that's a pervert getting off on exposing themselves to people.

So we come back to that magic word: context!

"Fight repression" indicates that something is currently repressed, to which the speaker objects. For gay people, private sexual contact between consenting adults was repressed.

For straight people, it was not. So if a straight person said that phrase, specifically about straight expression, it couldn't refer to what they are already free to do. They must be considering something above and beyond that. Public? Some other -philia? You'd need to ask to find out, i suppose, but the possible meanings obviously aren't the same.

This right here, is you playing dumb. Overlooking the blindingly obvious meaning to impose your own prurience.

 

[tstorm823]

There is no implication of publically displaying explicit things.

And people in leather bondage outfits at parades are coincidental and also totally innocent.

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

The Jewish space laser lady and the guy who Lewinski'd Clinton are now having a beef.

MAGA reacts as Donald Trump cuts ties with Marjorie Taylor Greene

A major MAGA rift has opened this week after Donald Trump formally broke with Marjorie Taylor Greene, one of his most vocal supporters.

www.newsweek.com

Just remember, folks: The Epstein files are totally just a Democratic hoax, and there's lots of Democrats in them so we need an investigation. And you can't release files when they're part of an investigation!

 

[BrawlMan]

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[Dirty Hipsters]

Would it be worse for the GOP if "Bubba" is Bill Clinton or Ghislaine Maxwell's horse?

 

[Silvanus]

And people in leather bondage outfits at parades are coincidental and also totally innocent.

Its this kind of statement that makes it abundantly clear you've never really engaged, except through a media filter, and also that you're an adorable prude.

Every time i've been to Pride, the 'bondage' stuff makes up about 1% of what's there, if that. Of course, the media circus focuses there, because it draws eyes and clicks (and prurient outrage). And even that stuff's not really that explicit. No more explicit than the straight-suggestive advertising those same central city streets display every day.

Plus-- although that stuff was always a part of the underground/punk/gay scene, in which there was a fair bit of overlap and shared space in the 1970s, it didn't really become part of Pride until later.

 

[tstorm823]

Plus-- although that stuff was always a part of the underground/punk/gay scene, in which there was a fair bit of overlap and shared space in the 1970s, it didn't really become part of Pride until later.

On the contrary, Pride formed for visibly, expressively gay men to make public demonstrations about the things they did in their sex lives, and people like you are coopting it.

 

[Seanchaidh]

On the contrary, Pride formed for visibly, expressively gay men to make public demonstrations about the things they did in their sex lives, and people like you are coopting it.

are you absolutely sure you're not confusing Pride with the Folsom Street Fair?

 

[Silvanus]

On the contrary, Pride formed for visibly, expressively gay men to make public demonstrations about the things they did in their sex lives, and people like you are coopting it.

So let's see your evidence of explicit bondage gear etc having a dominant role at 1970 NY Pride or '72 London Pride. Back when it was a few hundred people surrounded by police.

 

[tstorm823]

So let's see your evidence of explicit bondage gear etc having a dominant role at 1970 NY Pride or '72 London Pride. Back when it was a few hundred people surrounded by police.

There is no such thing as the 1970 NY Pride event. It was the "Christopher Street Liberation Day March". Remember, a big part of my point here is that not every gay thing is Pride. The US east coast movements of that time were trying to be serious civil rights protests.

Compared to London Pride:

Pride at 50: Rare photos of early marches

Striking shots of Pride parades from the 70s, 80s and 90s.

www.bbc.com

"There were men kissing men, men kissing what looked like men in drag and there were women kissing women and women kissing men in drag and vice versa.
"We did that in front of the police, almost as a challenge."

Oh look, straight from one of the original participants, dressing in sex-related outfits and making out in front of the police was the point.

 

[Silvanus]

There is no such thing as the 1970 NY Pride event. It was the "Christopher Street Liberation Day March". Remember, a big part of my point here is that not every gay thing is Pride. The US east coast movements of that time were trying to be serious civil rights protests.

Compared to London Pride:

Pride at 50: Rare photos of early marches

Striking shots of Pride parades from the 70s, 80s and 90s.

www.bbc.com

"There were men kissing men, men kissing what looked like men in drag and there were women kissing women and women kissing men in drag and vice versa.
"We did that in front of the police, almost as a challenge."

Oh look, straight from one of the original participants, dressing in sex-related outfits and making out in front of the police was the point.

So no, you don't have anything about "bondage" or explicit sex stuff having a big presence in those early pride events. You have... kissing (which is perfectly acceptable and normal for straight people to do in public), and drag (which isn't explicit or necessarily sexual).

Kissing and wearing flamboyant costumes! The shock! The horror!

 

[thebobmaster]

You forget, Silvanus. When straight couples kiss, that's normal. When a same-sex couple kiss, they are shoving their sexuality down our throats.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

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Would it be worse for the GOP if "Bubba" is Bill Clinton or Ghislaine Maxwell's horse?

A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Oh look, straight from one of the original participants, dressing in sex-related outfits and making out in front of the police was the point.

If drag is a 'sex related outfit' then, logically, any outfit that is more commonly worn by men or by women is a 'sex related outfit'.

 

[Casual Shinji]

You forget, Silvanus. When straight couples kiss, that's normal. When a same-sex couple kiss, they are shoving their sexuality down our throats.

And if they don't kiss, it's their hand holding that's being shoved down our thoats. And if they don't hold hands it'll be their glances toward one another.

Almost like homophobes will look for any excuse to hate on gay people (even when it's straight men not acting straight enough).

 

[The Rogue Wolf]

When a same-sex couple kiss exists, they are shoving their sexuality down our throats.

There, I fixed that for you.

 

[XsjadoBlaydette]

It's alarming how little concern there is from press about the extra judicial killings of Venezuelan fisherman by bombing their boats, it's also worrying that the Nobel peace prize was given to a far right opposition leader in Venezuela who has openly praised those murders while saying how much goodies there are for American corporationa to plunder from Venezuela. We are seeing yet again the brutal ugly process of colonialsm play out in front of us as it's either ignored or outright laundered by mainstream press, able to point out the trump admins many vastly harmful actions elsewhere until the moment his targets become long term foreign policy neocolonial endeavours mostly labeled/disguised as "anti-communism", "counter-revolutionary" for the majority of modern history - but now there is no bother to manufacture consent, not really at all from America, it's kinda just the press and other western governments taking up the slack for them ...it's precisely this process that has made the world as fucked as it is right now, it's why the term "third world" no longer means an international coalition of leftist governments riding on huge public support and positivity, it's why that term only conjoirs destitution and famine, it's why Henry Kissinger is often considered the largest war criminal free of accountability or punishment. It is why we cannot let it continue.

In this video, we’re going to analyze the Nobel Prize, specifically the Nobel Peace Prize and the role it plays in laundering the image of the imperialist capitalist West. From Barack Obama, Henry Kissinger, and Menachem Begin to contemporary picks like María Corina Machado, the Nobel Peace Prize functions as a tool of empire.

Timestamps:
0:00 Henry Kissinger
2:55 Inventing Reality
6:36 Who is Alfred Nobel? What is the Nobel Prize?
11:14 Nobel Peace Recipient Example 1
17:31 Nobel Peace Recipient Example 2
21:38 Conclusion

SOURCES: Books, Papers, Articles:
* Joshua Kastenberg — Fifty Years On: The Normalization of United States Military Operations in Cambodia (1969–1973) as a Mirror of Fighting in the Law’s Gaps
* Ben Kiernan and Taylor Owen — Bombs Over Cambodia: New Light on the U.S. Air War
* K. R. Olson and D. R. Speidel — Review and Analysis: United States Secret Wars in Cambodia: Long-Term Impacts and Consequences
* Lubna Z. Qureshi — Nixon, Kissinger, and Allende: U.S. Involvement in the 1973 Coup in Chile * Michael Parenti — Inventing Reality
* James Campbell — Alfred Nobel and His Prizes
* Alfred Nobel and His Prizes — From Dynamite to DNA - Marshall A Lichtman
* Elin Hofverberg — Alfred Nobel’s Will: A Legal Document That Might Have Changed the World and a Man’s Legacy
* T. Clarke — By Blood & Fire
* Ilan Pappé — The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine
* Benny Morris — The Historiography of Deir Yassin * Seth Anziska — A Preventable Massacre
* Jean-Pierre Filiu — Gaza: A History
* Ze'ev Schiff — Israel’s Lebanon War * Mark Weisbrot — On the State of Democracy in Venezuela

Other Web Sources
* National Security Archive: U.S. awareness of Suharto’s use of American-supplied arms
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB176/responsibility_us.pdf
* NobelPrize.org
* Nobel Biography: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Alfred-Nobel
* Institute for Middle East Understanding — Sabra & Shatila explainer:

https://imeu.org/resources/resources/explainer-the-sabra-shatila-massacre
* United Nations (UNISPAL) document:
https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-186308/
* Australian Institute of International Affairs — Nobel Peace Prize legitimacy crisis:

https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/the-nobel-peace-prizes-legitimacy-crisis-maria-corina-machados-2025-award-and-the-end-of-moral-authority/
* CNN coverage of Machado/Maduro/Trump:

https://www.cnn.com/2025/10/15/americas/venezuela-machado-trump-maduro-latam-intl
* Reuters — U.S. action and Machado:

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/venezuelas-machado-calls-more-us-action-against-maduro-2025-06-18/
* Venezuelanalysis — Supreme Court ruling on Machado:

https://venezuelanalysis.com/news/venezuela-supreme-court-denies-maria-corina-machado-appeal-ratifies-political-ban/
* The Guardian — Liu Xiaobo commentary:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/dec/15/nobel-winner-liu-xiaobo-chinese-dissident
* https://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2011/01/alfred-nobel-was-also-known-as-the-merchant-of-death/

 

[tstorm823]

When a same-sex couple kiss, they are shoving their sexuality down our throats.

When you do something in specifically in the sight of people as a "challenge", yes, that is shoving it down their throats.

You have... kissing (which is perfectly acceptable and normal for straight people to do in public).

No it isn't. It's situationally normal and acceptable, and also situationally frowned upon or even potentially illegal. If a bunch of straight people held a march specifically to make the police watch them make out, that's not a normal thing, people would generally not support it.

 

[Seanchaidh]

When you do something in specifically in the sight of people as a "challenge", yes, that is shoving it down their throats.

Rosa Parks was shoving her denied civil rights down our throats by that logic.