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[Ag3ma]

That's the exact problem. If tell you I'm a capitalist, you know what I am and don't have to ask me what I mean.

No, that's not the same thing. All the West is mostly the same and the West is capitalist, so everyone has a similar idea of capitalism because of their shared existence of the current status quo.

In reality, however, capitalism too covers a broad range of different models (albeit with the same underlying principles) just as socialism does: anarcho-capitalism, welfare capitalism, state capitalism, corporate capitalism, etc. Switching from our current model of capitalism to one of these others could have the ability to radically alter the economy and society.

 

[Trunkage]

No, that's not the same thing. All the West is mostly the same and the West is capitalist, so everyone has a similar idea of capitalism because of their shared existence of the current status quo.

In reality, however, capitalism too covers a broad range of different models (albeit with the same underlying principles) just as socialism does: anarcho-capitalism, welfare capitalism, state capitalism, corporate capitalism, etc. Switching from our current model of capitalism to one of these others could have the ability to radically alter the economy and society.

I would slightly disagree

Since most other economic systems have been declared anathema, what tends to happen is that what is popular in a country is called Capitalist. Leading to every country having their owm version of Capitalism which is somewhat like real Capitalism but generally not

Calling yourself or country is more about declaring your acceptable to the world rather than on any actual economic principles

(I.e. Calling yourself Capitalist is performative. It's just identity politics to make in and out groups. And I would say the exact same thing about Comminist)

 

[Phoenixmgs]

You suck at this. You try to pull a gotcha with the name of the USSR, then when called out on it, you go ahead and answer your own question and continue to hammer on the same fucking point as if you weren't plainly trying to bait a gotcha. And what's really sad is:



You think this tautology is your best argument because that's what you're leading with.

How was the USSR not socialist?

Well, only because trying to quantify the proportion of capitalism and socialism, to stick a number on it, is an impossible errand.



That's not arbitrary. Judging it by the proportion of GDP is an arbitrary decision.

I also notice that this "key tenet" is not the same as the definition of socialism you gave before, which was ownership by the state.




If someone says they're "generally for" or "generally against" capitalism, without digging further into it, then you've also got a useless answer there as well. Because that, too, could mean a hundred different things to fifty different people.

Words have meanings. Umbrella terms are broad ones which cover lots of variation. Like capitalism, socialism, conservatism, liberalism.



By some definitions. Not by most. Not by the Marxist definition, for example.

No, that's not the same thing. All the West is mostly the same and the West is capitalist, so everyone has a similar idea of capitalism because of their shared existence of the current status quo.

In reality, however, capitalism too covers a broad range of different models (albeit with the same underlying principles) just as socialism does: anarcho-capitalism, welfare capitalism, state capitalism, corporate capitalism, etc. Switching from our current model of capitalism to one of these others could have the ability to radically alter the economy and society.

If you're generally for capitalism, you're pro private ownership, it's not that complicated.

 

[Buyetyen]

How was the USSR not socialist?

Explain to me how it was.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

Explain to me how it was.

Wikipedia literally says Soviet Union was socialist...

 

[Buyetyen]

Wikipedia literally says Soviet Union was socialist...

That's not an explanation. Try again.

 

[Silvanus]

If you're generally for capitalism, you're pro private ownership, it's not that complicated.

Except that almost all forms of socialism acknowledge a role for private ownership, and private ownership predates capitalism by thousands of years.