So, you think every industry that makes money is poorly ran and the government should do it? I mean, obviously, anything ran by the government is done well.AquaAscension said:The healthcare system in the united states is Bull. Shit. Period.
Health care is a business.
Socrates once said (or perhaps Plato) that if you wanted to have a chariot built, you'd go to a chariot maker. If you wanted to get a bone fixed, you'd go to a doctor etc. The point being that these people/practices exist to fill a need in society.
Now we're back to health care is a business.
Health care, being a business as it is, does not exist to fix people. It exists to make money. That's why businesses exist. Insurance companies don't give a shit about people and making them healthy. They care about their bottom line and making it healthy. This is why they have people (seriously, wish I was kidding but fuck I'm not) who scour patient claims for reasons to deny coverage through loop holes or their own jargon'd contracts/health plans. It's bullshit, plain and simple. It's existence for the wrong reason. It's damaging and destructive. And the people behind it don't give a shit. They have money to act as a salve for their wounds.
In closing, someone asked me once (as a diabetic from age 10 - healthy btw and looking to stay that way but finding insurance for the cost is... difficult) how I thought insurance company execs sleep at night.
My response: Quite heavenly, I imagine. *sullen pause*
They probably lie their heads on pillows stuffed with angel-soft down clipped from the wings of patients they've slain, whose familes had to watch as their bodies swung suspended with loopholes around their necks like nooses.
My word, I'm filled with jealousy. I'm an american, and currently uninsured. To get an insurance plan that's not a shop plan (through a job that actually gets such health benefits) would likely cost me around $200+ per month for the minimum, least-likely-to-help plan. Those don't include anything for dental or vision care usually, and I've been too afraid to look up a plan for dental care. The only way people in the US can get the care you describe is to jump through hoops and fill out massive amounts of paperwork, then hope very hard, or get in legal trouble and find themselves in the prison system. (Because prisoners getting less-than-adequate care is considered cruel and unusual or some such.) There have actually been stories in Yahoo News about people getting themselves arrested for just that purpose, and it scares me that we have to go to such extremes just to get any help.Hero in a half shell said:I can honestly say my favourite thing about living in the U.K. is our N.H.S. I am twenty two, have nearly every tooth in my head filled, have a half crown and two extractions, and I never paid a penny. I have terrible eyesight, and I have glasses, but the only thing I needed to pay for were frames. The lens, appointments, etc. were absolutely and gloriously free. I have been to the hospital several times, for stitches in various parts of my body (mainly my head) and never had to pay a thing. I have never broken a bone, but if I did, guess what? I wouldn't have to pay a thing. I am just now finishing my education, so some of the more specialist things I may have to pay for in the future, but for now, Mister NHS and I have had a wonderful relationship.
Your response here. This is about what this thread requires. It is also win.Psycho-Toaster said:BUT COMMUNISM AND COMMUNISM IS BAD BECAUSE TERRORISM AND NAZIS AND FREE SPEECH
i assume you dont live in america....but i digress. irrelevance.plexxiss said:And yet the English NHS is considered the most efficient health system on the planet. So why don't you want support for this stuff. People pay not nearly as much in taxes as you do in insurance. And don't for one second think its legislation that makes treatment in your country cost a ton. Healthcare over there costs a ton because the insurance companies want to make money of your health and they have enough money pumped into Washington to allow them to charge however much they like.Jegsimmons said:Don't judge an entire system on one event.
Quite frankly, I'm not very happy about our system. But not because I support government health care. I don't. I'm unhappy because of all the restrictions put on insurance companies and hospitals so it cost an arm and a leg To do anything.
Also this can be used to judge the system because of how casual people were about it till people with a real health system started wondering WTF America. Because no one batted an eyelid at the health company it can be guessed that it is not a rare occurrence.
The poor of America (about 50 million people) get the delightful choice between eating or having insurance. Seriously why have you guys not sorted this thing out already.
Same is true in the US, well, except I can normally see my family doctor in a day or two or go get same day examination from urgent care. With insurance, I pay little to nothing. I had to have surgery, and I was in within a few days after examination from a surgeon (which again, took maybe a day or two from being recommended by my primary care physician).Jakub324 said:There has to be problem with a system like that. I live in the UK where you only have to wait weeks for an exam, but at least you don't have to cough too much up, if any.
All hospitals have care for uninsured for life threatening illness. Of course the biggest issue is the long waits, and yes, you could die in the mean time.Omega1k said:Proud to be Canadian. Free health care! ^.^
I view the american health care system as some sort of legal blackmail. (*activates flame shield*) Think about it. You are dying, you need help. Give this guy several thousand dollars, and you can live. You can't get it, you die. Pay or Die. It's as simple as that.
Slightly OT: What happens if your injury leaves you unable to communicate, with no family or friends you can give out your health care info, and no identification? Do they just hope that you have the money, or just let you die? Never quite understood that.
Eh, for better or worse entire countries tend to be judged by the actions of their government, and we did elect the people in charge. In the end, I highly doubt that everyone in Nazi Germany wanted to wage war with the rest of the world, but guess what they're remembered for?Canid117 said:I love it when threads like this pop up. I love watching people attack my country in its entirety for one issue or another so that they can feel edgy. Good times.