Values dying ?

[vento 231]

I'm from Modesto, CA and moral, manners, work ethic, values, and several other things are decreasing dramatically (including the amount of people who speak English). I'm hoping this is only local. You see, I used to live in the south and people respected each other, that was about 5 years ago, and I'm hoping my hometown hasn't changed as much as it has here. I want to know what it's like in your neighborhood, I'm starting to look into moving away from this shit hole.

P.S. To anyone who thinks California is a cool place to live you're thinking of bay area, anywhere else is ridiculously annoying, EX. yesterday some asshole was speaking Spanish to me, then I used what little Spanish I know to tell him I don't under stand him, then he told me I should learn, then spit in my direction. HE SHOULD LEARN ENGLISH RIGHT!!!!

Murder, rape, robberies, domestic abuse, and disease are becoming more common. Laws are being made so children cannot be disciplined correctly. Things just aren't right. So is chilvery dead where you're from?

Edit: sorry, I didn't realize how "white-trash" I sounded, I have nothing against any other race, but simply if everyone spoke a different language, nothing would get done. That was rather a bad example, but I was trying to give an example of lack of respect, I had no sort of attitude with the guy and he took offends to me not speaking that language , and I'm not trying to stereo type Hispanics. That guy individually is a jerk though, who had no respect.

 

[Lavi]

... I think I hate you. Go learn another language and expand that mind of yours. This all does not help your position:

'I used to live in the south'
'moral, manners, work ethic, values'
'HE SHOULD LEARN ENGLISH RIGHT!!!!'

You, sir, have a problem, not the world.

EDIT:

I may have misinterpreted what you have said how ever I have to say this sounds more than a little racist to me.

If the shoe fits, eat it.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

I may have misinterpreted what you have said how ever I have to say this sounds more than a little racist to me.

I still believe that coming into a country you should learn the most common language but you are more than welcome to bring your own values & traditions but should respect the same values of others. With the ease of travel nowadays the world is going to become a smaller & more multicultural place & I welcome that. I know some incredibliy interesteing people with a different faith or cultural views & enjoy what they can contibute to conversations because of these different beliefs.

There is a large asian comunity in my area & yes they have their fair share of arseholes but only as much as the whites blacks & whatever else. So whilst my town has changed a lot since I was a kid I'm happy for the cultural diversity that I get to see.

EDIT: I went to Prague in May 2009 for 3 days. I made a point of buying a phrase book to learn at least a tiny bit of the language. I rarely needed it because most people I tried to speak to could see I was struggling horribly, they could speak english, then stated they appreciated my effort but found it funny because I was butchering thier language

 

[Tireseas_v1legacy]

Murder, rape, robberies, domestic abuse, and disease are becoming more common.

The FBI disagrees [http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2008/about/crime_summary.html]

Washington, D.C.--According to figures released today by the FBI, the estimated number of violent crimes in the Nation declined for the second year in a row. Property crimes also declined in 2008, marking the sixth straight year the collective estimates for these offenses dropped below the previous year's total.

And, although 2009 data is still being gathered, preliminary reports suggest a similar trend.

Yeah, last I heard, life is getting harder for everyone. Still not an excuse to try and blame hispanics for it. And if you're not, then you'd better reword your damn post because that is what you are saying indirectly.

 

[Pimppeter2]

What ever happend to predictability?
The milk man, the paper boy, evening T.V
You miss your old familar friends, but
waiting just around the bend.

Everywhere you look (everywhere)
There's a heart (there's a heart)
A hand to hold on to.
Everywhere you look (everywhere)
There's a face of somebody who needs you.

When you're lost out there and your all alone
A light is waiting to carry you home
Everywhere you look.


Also, I fail to see how you blame all these things on non-English speakers based on one isolated incident. Maybe its just me, but I would expect someone with good morals and values to be more understanding of other people's and cultures.

 

[Erana]

People have been seeing moral decay around them for years; the internet and our media just makes it seem worse.

Also, the South is filled with its own kinda hostility.
You know, like how the church I used to go to was subject to a shooting for being too liberal.

Also, my stepmother's first language is Spanish, and she is a truely kind person.
I don't see at all how an international language makes someone annoying.

 

[A Weary Exile]

I'm from Modesto, CA and moral, manners, work ethic, values, and several other things are decreasing dramatically (including the amount of people who speak English). I'm hoping this is only local. You see, I used to live in the south and people respected each other, that was about 5 years ago, and I'm hoping my hometown hasn't changed as much as it has here. I want to know what it's like in your neighborhood, I'm starting to look into moving away from this shit hole.

P.S. To anyone who thinks California is a cool place to live you're thinking of bay area, anywhere else is ridiculously annoying, EX. yesterday some asshole was speaking Spanish to me, then I used what little Spanish I know to tell him I don't under stand him, then he told me I should learn, then spit in my direction. HE SHOULD LEARN ENGLISH RIGHT!!!!

Murder, rape, robberies, domestic abuse, and disease are becoming more common. Laws are being made so children cannot be disciplined correctly. Things just aren't right. So is chilvery dead where you're from?

I think I agree with you, just the way you said it you come off as racist and a hick (Coming from someone who still lives in the south).

Yes things like respect and common decency have been rather scarce in recent years, especially with kids my age. Yes there are a lot of immigrants who don't speak english but that isn't really a bad thing (Unless they act like that one guy you mentioned, he was out of line) just think of all the Italian and european immigrants we had coming here at the turn of the century, many of them spoke no english and where would we be without them? Yes immigrants should try to learn english but we shouldn't say "LEARN ENGLISH OR GTFO!!" since they are (Mostly) honest, hard-working people who just want a better life for themselves and their kids.

 

[Rancid0ffspring]

Maybe its just me, but I would expect someone with good morals and values to be more understanding of other people's and cultures.

You sir deserve a high five for a good 'ol fashioned E-bitchslap

 

[RatRace123]

Unfortunately, this is why the south gets a rap for being ignorant, and fearful of all that's different.
Good to see, you're not trying to dissaude that horrible stereotype.

 

[vento 231]

People have been seeing moral decay around them for years; the internet and our media just makes it seem worse.

Also, the South is filled with its own kinda hostility.
You know, like how the church I used to go to was subject to a shooting for being too liberal.

Also, my stepmother's first language is Spanish- there's nothing wrong with that.

I suppose that the media does making it seem more dramatic.

Just to clear things up, I don't have a problem with Spanish speakers, or anyone for there language or color. This guy just had a problem that I didn't understand Spanish and spit in my direction, but the main language is English, so He shouldn't have that problem with me speaking English, I think that is unreasonable, if everyone spoke a different language nothing would get done, so you see my point? I'm sorry if I came off prejudice.

 

[BonsaiK]

Murder, rape, robberies, domestic abuse, and disease are becoming more common. Laws are being made so children cannot be disciplined correctly. Things just aren't right.

Nonsense. People always compain about this and have been since the dawn of society. Nothing has changed significantly in the last five years. If you're going to compain about this type of thing I want to see hard data to back it up, and references to reliable third-party studies and publications.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

depends on where you live. If you live in the deep South, you'll get good morals and values. Or if you live in a rich community. But as for the whole moral drop thing i blame brittan for not listening to Mr. Bowie.

 

[rainman2203]

I don't know if values are dying so much as shifting. I also suspect that being in Cali (a place I plan to avoid if at all possible) to be a big shock to anyone from almost anywhere in the South. Its just a regional difference. I find the south and the rural areas in my own state (and anywhere with a church to house ratio of around 1:4) to be a little frightening, despite the generally friendly people and deLICIOUS food.

 

[Slaanax]

I wouldn't say dying, I would say changing. I think not knowing the native language of the country you are going to live in or live in now is a bit wrong. If I moved to another country, one of the first things I would try to do is learn said language. English became the language to know because the last few centuries English speaking countries have been one of the major influencing factors around the world.

 

[Piecewise]

The non-english speaking is a major problem which people should understand. Allow me to explain:

I have no problem with spanish or any language in fact. What I do have a problem with is how the language barrier is working to enforce a social classism. For instance, during my school days in arizona there were several classes which were taught entirely in spanish. This meant that a child could go through the learning process without being exposed to what is generally excepted as the native language of the country. This in turn means that this child is generally forced to remain within the "spanish" towns (much like china towns) that spring up in lower income areas. It basically means that, because they never assimilate into the native culture, they are forever relegated to the outside.

Now, in arizona they're basically just using the massive numbers of immigrants (many of which are illegal) to expand the "spanish" towns, creating an increased dichotomy between poorer and poorer mexicans and richer and richer whites. By refusing to try and at least meet us half way (learn some English while still retaining their culture)and outright demanding that our culture change completely to accommodate them they are basically dooming themselves to second class status. It doesn't help that many of the whites don't have what I would call a "enlightened" attitude toward their hardships.

What made this country great is the blending of culture but now it seems like both sides are completely unwilling to compromise and come together.


Personally, my significant other's family is Guatemalan and I can kind of understand why this conflict is happening like it is. Latin american culture is bizarre when viewed through the american mindset. Perhaps it's just my relations that are truly crazy (don't get me started on the lies, tall tales, bizarre superstitions or rampant paranoia)but the more I relate with latin people the more I realize the vast differences between our cultures. It tells me that this merger will be a slow and awkward one, not unlike the Irish earlier in American history

 

[lSHaDoW-FoXl]

Morals, Manners, Worth Ethic, and values are not decreasing ? They are changing just like they always have. And in the words of my self, I assure you that it's probably for the better that these things are changing simply because they're out dated and in today's world there's absolutely no place and no time for old ideals. It's because of old ideals that some kids will remain orphans simply because two women or two men aren't allowed to marry. I live in this small town that's basically dying because it ran short of resources ? it was very industrious and I have hopes in moving to Moncton so I my self am no stranger to change and I doubt anyone is. As for your encounter with that man...that has absolutely nothing to deal with the modern world, that guys an asshole and there always has been and always will be assholes. My thoughts on the matter is if I don't know someone's language and they don't know mine ? yet they insist on being rude to me ? then they can go fuck them self simply because there was no need to be hostile.

Murder, rape, robberies, domestic abuse, and disease are becoming more common because there's more people to murder, rape, rob, abuse, and harm ? and because the media is a lot more active then it has been in the past to actually document these things. Keep in mind, it's old ethics that had people tortured, burned, killed and enslaved and I'm very doubtful 'the good old days' even have half of the standards of living we do today. Or so this is just my opinion.

 

[Lullabye]

Let me see, I learned french and english and italian, so spanish shouldn't be too hard now should it?.
the damn world needs one language, fuck preserving culture and other excuses.

 

[Juven Ignus]

Let me see, I learned french and english and italian, so spanish shouldn't be too hard now should it?.
the damn world needs one language, fuck preserving culture and other excuses.

I agree with this, which is why I will beat Pimpeteer in battle and rule the world. This way, everyone can get along around the campfire while fearing me.

 

[Gadzooks]

Uhh...

If someone has the time to look up the quotes on this, it's pretty funny, I'm too lazy to find them though.

Going back to I think it was Socrates saying that the children of his day were disrespectful, rude and dressed inappropriately... etc.

And each generation says it about the next generation, and how morals are declining.

Try and look at it objectively though, we live in an increasingly civilised society. Perhaps behaviours look worse now because they contrast more with the society we have built, but in no way are people acting more appallingly than they have in the past.

EDIT: Ninja'd

It's funny how people have been saying this ever since ancient Greece. I'd say morals and values are not "disappearing", but rather, like all things in our lives, they just change and evolve, sometimes for the worse, sometimes for the better.

Yeah I meant the quotes from whichever Greek philosopher it was. I'm still guessing Socrates.

 

[MiserableOldGit]

Let me see, I learned french and english and italian, so spanish shouldn't be too hard now should it?.
the damn world needs one language, fuck preserving culture and other excuses.

Nice in theory, but look what we got last time someone had that idea- Esperanto.