It's clever, but it can be too easily manipulated. But still, I don't think I'm a douche on TF2, so I get free games! ^_^
Valve Discusses Charging Customers Based on Popularity
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Well, since the whole point of griefing is to make people pay attention and get mad at the griefer, and they most likely would have the voting system be anonymous, there wouldn't be much point to it unless if the griefer were to admit that he was the one who did it, and that could be used as evidence that he's using the system incorrectly and could quite possibly be used to report him in some manner. Unless if he were to try to make it seem as if he had a good reason....Jandau said:
Just when I thought Valve couldn't impress me anymore. Truly they are the only video game company left that cares about the gamers themselves.
That's.. a really interesting idea, and I think I'd like for it to work given how horrible some people can be online.
But.. where does that leave those of us who often prefer to enjoy single-player content? I mean, maybe you could say 'This only applies to games with multiplayer' .. but what about those of us enjpy the single player aspects of games with multiplayer? There's an argument it could be unfair not including us somehow or..
Well, yeah, I wonder, is all.
But.. where does that leave those of us who often prefer to enjoy single-player content? I mean, maybe you could say 'This only applies to games with multiplayer' .. but what about those of us enjpy the single player aspects of games with multiplayer? There's an argument it could be unfair not including us somehow or..
Well, yeah, I wonder, is all.
Ok, Gabe is joking, right?
Am I just not in on the second joke where everyone pretends they don't get that he's joking, or am I missing something even bigger here? Is it a conspiracy? Aaaaaa....
Am I just not in on the second joke where everyone pretends they don't get that he's joking, or am I missing something even bigger here? Is it a conspiracy? Aaaaaa....
I'm rich, and I adore trolling TF2, so this system wouldn't change anything for me.
I'm surely not alone on that, so people like me would balance the scales for people like you who are all nice and shit.
This is an brilliant idea that'll either work wonders if properly implemented, or burn Valve HQ to the ground if not.
I'm surely not alone on that, so people like me would balance the scales for people like you who are all nice and shit.
This is an brilliant idea that'll either work wonders if properly implemented, or burn Valve HQ to the ground if not.
interesting... but that still doesn't solve the problem of a player having to shell out the full retail price just to find out if they like the game, or if the game is bug riddled mess, or if the game just plain sucks. They should give nice players free 5 hour passes to a number of games of their choice so we can actually see which games are worth our money.
Yay for discrimination and system abuse.
Not going to work, for one, and not going to make Valve any money, for two.
Not going to work, for one, and not going to make Valve any money, for two.
DO THIS.
I pride mself on being a nice, civil guy on TF2. if there's a noob or a kid who is polite but clueless, I'll help them as much as I can. And I would NEVER object to free games. Plus, it'd only help the community. It's like why they haven't made TF2 free; the price is the only thing keeping banned hackers and griefers from buying it again.
I pride mself on being a nice, civil guy on TF2. if there's a noob or a kid who is polite but clueless, I'll help them as much as I can. And I would NEVER object to free games. Plus, it'd only help the community. It's like why they haven't made TF2 free; the price is the only thing keeping banned hackers and griefers from buying it again.
Surely you people understand he's trolling? If he isn't trolling, he's *about* to be sectioned by the local psychiatric nurse and company.
I don't grief in games, but I'm not a very social guy. I'm a solitary player, I've got a handful of friends on Steam and we rarely speak. Am I any less nice than the most conspicuously nice, friended-up person on the service? No. If this proposal is anything but a joke, am I in line to be discriminated against because my nature is reserved? Yes.
This is a joke, people.
It must be.
I don't grief in games, but I'm not a very social guy. I'm a solitary player, I've got a handful of friends on Steam and we rarely speak. Am I any less nice than the most conspicuously nice, friended-up person on the service? No. If this proposal is anything but a joke, am I in line to be discriminated against because my nature is reserved? Yes.
This is a joke, people.
It must be.
I personally don't like this idea. Has too much potential to go wrong, and with the rewards thing, has a potential to screw over more casual or otherwise "uninteresting" players, or those who accidentally end up doing something they shouldn't. (Here I got a month ban for accidentally doing something stupid, but I can live with that tho)
With MMOs, you do tend to get longterm rewards (or ability to get items that'll never be available again), but mostly these items are a badge of honor and not gamebreaking. This is making a realworld effect, which has more chance of alienating the playerbase.
Also what happens with "controversial" players, like trade trolls in WoW? For me, I don't mind them if they're not overly spammy, but others hate the whole trade-hanging crowd. Also you get people who hate swearing, and others who don't care... so it's hard to say if muttering the odd rude word here and there suddenly it all falls apart because you were in the "touchy" crowd :/.
Also I don't consider that the hat designers as necessarily the "good" players - yeah, they did something good, but it's only something that a subsegment of the gaming population could've done (I'm bad at ideas lol).
Also I read a comment in this thread about "yeah, I'm good at getting conversations going"... if they got a reward for that, why should I be penalised for not being able to do that? I tend to be unable to start conversations (personality flaw I do try to work on), but I'll join in if one's going... so I'd be effectively made worth less for something I can't really avoid.
Also there's another side effect that I've seen in certain freemium MMOs - rich people become jerks, because they can. The money is immaterial, so they just abuse the system. (In MMOs with char-improving items, they're usually priced so that most people sit at similar levels, but there's always exceptions).
With MMOs, you do tend to get longterm rewards (or ability to get items that'll never be available again), but mostly these items are a badge of honor and not gamebreaking. This is making a realworld effect, which has more chance of alienating the playerbase.
Also what happens with "controversial" players, like trade trolls in WoW? For me, I don't mind them if they're not overly spammy, but others hate the whole trade-hanging crowd. Also you get people who hate swearing, and others who don't care... so it's hard to say if muttering the odd rude word here and there suddenly it all falls apart because you were in the "touchy" crowd :/.
Also I don't consider that the hat designers as necessarily the "good" players - yeah, they did something good, but it's only something that a subsegment of the gaming population could've done (I'm bad at ideas lol).
Also I read a comment in this thread about "yeah, I'm good at getting conversations going"... if they got a reward for that, why should I be penalised for not being able to do that? I tend to be unable to start conversations (personality flaw I do try to work on), but I'll join in if one's going... so I'd be effectively made worth less for something I can't really avoid.
Also there's another side effect that I've seen in certain freemium MMOs - rich people become jerks, because they can. The money is immaterial, so they just abuse the system. (In MMOs with char-improving items, they're usually priced so that most people sit at similar levels, but there's always exceptions).
So what happens when you're a solo-gamer buying through Steam? As well as someone who doesn't really bother with the forums.
You know, like me.
Does this mean because my 'popularity' is not likely to go anywhere that I'll still be paying full price, even though I'm not an arsehole...
Sounds like a good system for learning some mouthy pricks, also sounds like a good system for letting said mouthy prick abuse the shit out of a new system to screw over nice guys.
Also sounds like a good system for letting, good, but socially unknown, 'solo experience preferred' players eat a dick and have nothing change for them...
Slight bit more cons than pros here...
You know, like me.
Does this mean because my 'popularity' is not likely to go anywhere that I'll still be paying full price, even though I'm not an arsehole...
Sounds like a good system for learning some mouthy pricks, also sounds like a good system for letting said mouthy prick abuse the shit out of a new system to screw over nice guys.
Also sounds like a good system for letting, good, but socially unknown, 'solo experience preferred' players eat a dick and have nothing change for them...
Slight bit more cons than pros here...
Sounds like a bad idea.
Who would decide if one is nice or not nice player? What about those that aren't either? What about majority of gamers that do not troll but same time do not have skills/knowledge to create content nor really are interested in making 'friends' in the games, just wanting to play the game? Should they be charged more than a active social gamer? Would Valve implement "Like" button tied to every Steam account and those with more 'Likes' get discounts? What if the system would be abused?
Plus i like some trolls, every now and then they are funny and they are great at showing how some people treat their gaming way too seriously
Who would decide if one is nice or not nice player? What about those that aren't either? What about majority of gamers that do not troll but same time do not have skills/knowledge to create content nor really are interested in making 'friends' in the games, just wanting to play the game? Should they be charged more than a active social gamer? Would Valve implement "Like" button tied to every Steam account and those with more 'Likes' get discounts? What if the system would be abused?
Plus i like some trolls, every now and then they are funny and they are great at showing how some people treat their gaming way too seriously
SIR I THINK YOU'VE GONE MAD WITH POWER!
but I could actually see it working. funnily enough. but not in the real world tbh...
but I could actually see it working. funnily enough. but not in the real world tbh...
I have to say that this system is both one of the more interesting ideas I ever heard, and also one of the worst.
Wait... It's only really interesting in how BAD and abusable it really is. People before me mentioned how abusable it really is.
How could people not find this ... stupid?
Wait... It's only really interesting in how BAD and abusable it really is. People before me mentioned how abusable it really is.
How could people not find this ... stupid?
