Valve: Everything We Do Competes Against Half-Life 2
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I always use it as an example of almost pitch-perfect pacing. The vehicle sections are quite a way off (they're too long), but everything else is right where it should be.KCL said:
If you want a lesson in 'how not to pace a game' play GTA IV, RDR or Bioshock.
Well, Half-Life is extremely successful for two reasons: It's been out longer and its in the Orange Box.
I'm sure with time games like Team Fortress 2 or Counter-Strike: Source can beat Half-Life 2's sales.
[sub]And pigs will fly out of my ass.[/sub]
I'm sure with time games like Team Fortress 2 or Counter-Strike: Source can beat Half-Life 2's sales.
[sub]And pigs will fly out of my ass.[/sub]
Actually I know of one game that can potentially beat Half Life 2 if it ever releases... +1 Awesomeness to whoever guesses it!Z of the Na said:
No doubt, but I think it's reaching the point where hype is going to backfire on them. It's the same thing that will happen if "Duke Nukem Forever" ever gets released - it's been so hyped and so anticipated that whatever comes out can't do anything but disappoint.Monicro said:
I don't think it's there yet - and certainly I'd rank Valve head and shoulders above 3D Realms in terms of development talent - but there's a point where hype and anticipation give way, and with sequels to Left 4 Dead and Portal taking priority Valve isn't giving a lot of indication their prime intellectual property is their focal point. Which makes statements like Lombardi's ring a little hollow to me.
Half Life 2 is damn good, but Portal blew my goddamn socks right off. That is a gaming experience that nothing can match so far.
Watching Harry Potter much?nick_knack said:
And this fanboyism needs to stop. I don't mind if you don't like a game, but back up your statements. Saying "It's as overrated as FF7" is a statement, not an opinion. If the person had said "I feel it's as overrated as FF7" it would be an opinion, and a much less viable target for bashing.
Now you are doing the same thing. Your comments were used to bash you for making statments rather than facts, his did the same. He stated that Bioshock had bad pacing, you stated that HL2 is overrated.Jiraiya72 said:
Make opinions, not statements, and more people will be inclined to leave them as such, instead of using them as trollbait.
I like that philosophy, more companies should adopt it. Like maybe...Activision? CoD might have some hope of surviving if Black Ops threw away the book and made the new better book. Here's hoping.
And I quite enjoy Half Life 2. It is very immersive, with strong characters throughout and a powerful storyline. Those who can't see that can go play Guitar Hero.
And I quite enjoy Half Life 2. It is very immersive, with strong characters throughout and a powerful storyline. Those who can't see that can go play Guitar Hero.
Left 4 Dead isn't that demanding, less so than Half Life 2 which is available for Mac. I wouldn't be surprised if Valve is planning to release it for Mac the same time as the DLC for L4D1.Ironman126 said:
Actually HL2 (and technically anything on that engine) still has the best facial expression/animation setup out there. Not exactly something for an FPS game to base itself on, but when the story is that much of a part of the game, it's pretty important for Half-Life.Danzaivar said:
As another poster said, you're mainly talking about a console shooter - and while I'll probably never shake my belief that FPS games are better with a keyboard/mouse - I'll respect most of the changes they've brought (QT moments however are still crap). I'll also admit that HL2 isn't much of a pure shooter, it's definitely a slower paced game than most, but then again - the original Half-Life was no exception to the rule (but yet an exception to the rule at the time). People that like Half-Life enjoy the the series for that reason.
Personally, I'd really like to see a modernized run & gunner again. I like the emergence of realism in FPS games, but I still miss the endurance and quick thinking that was the embodiment of Doom and it's sequel (there are only two Doom games!)
Yes. Case in point:Jiraiya72 said:
I'm about to meet Andrew Ryan, and am now approaching his office door. This is a big moment - even without knowing about the twist - and then when I reach the door I'm told to fuck off for an hour just to get it open.
They do this "blue key for the blue door" thing like 4 times, except there's always 3 bloody "keys" each time. It wrecked all the suspense and anticipation.
The gameplay loop is also a mess if you play with the vita-chambers on.
Valve shouldn't be surprised. Once you've created what many consider to be/ will be your magnum opus, you will spend the rest of your creative life chasing it. Everything Welles ever did was compared to Citizen Kane; everything Ricky Gervais ever does is compared to The Office.
Simply because as an 'artist' you should be able to better yourself. Really, Valve should just be grateful they created a work of such accolade.
Simply because as an 'artist' you should be able to better yourself. Really, Valve should just be grateful they created a work of such accolade.
Game designers do fine, by and large, when it comes to pacing game play, but they're clueless about pacing narrative. Very rarely is any thought given to the intersection between the two. But hey, at least Valve knows how to tell a story through actual play. Tried Starcraft 2 yet? It should've been subtitled "Wrath of the Cutscenes."Woodsey said:
I really wish I had more time to actually sit down and play HL2. Every time I start, I end up having to rebuild my PC before I can finish it and I lose all my save data. Still love what I've seen of it though.