Suiseiseki IRL said:
Therumancer said:
I think it's best you edit that posted before people come to rip you a new one.
Your sickeningly smug, misguided, and often over-the-top posts are begining to wear on me and may others.
Welcome to the world of free speech, and yes I do promote some rather unpopular viewpoints, and I do so fully within the guidelines of the site. I have backed down every single time a "Red Guard" has questioned me. Sure, I could probably go to some forums where my views would be more... represented. However most such forums would not generally be gaming oriented, have content (like this site does) that I am interested in, etc...
Yes I *DO* expect I ruffle some feathers as the fandom community tends to be very leftist and politically correct, and I generally am not (despite having some left wing viewpoints myself). But to some extent I feel you need to have your feathers ruffled, and I sort of hope with time things will start to balance out.
As far as what I said in my post above, like many posts, I expect a lot of people here to disagree with it. I even say so myself in a lot of things I write. But that doesn't mean I am wrong, or am going to censor myself, because some people don't like it (OMG! Someone has a differant point of view!). Geez, if we were to apply that in reverse just think about how many posts would have to be edited. Or worse yet, if every post on the site had to be 100% politically or socially neutral (or non-politically). Just imagine how many posts would have to be edited for social liberalism .
However, I re-read my post just to be polite, figuring that maybe I mis-stated something. Perhaps I'm missing something, but it appears I pretty much said what I intended to. Let me summarize:
Many Posters: "Well the brits don't talk because Americans are a bunch of misinformed idiots who blather nonsense".
Me: "Well I think you've got that wrong since the brits are pretty misinformed and idiotic online as well".
That's it in brief. What am I suppose to say? Anti-Americanism is hip (especially for Americans) but that doesn't mean I agree with it. I've dealt with Brits online and as far as where I'm sitting it seems pretty accurate. My WoW-playing has been nothing if not multi-national, though we generally stay away from politics because once you start argueing about who is ignorant and who isn't it goes nowhere and just upsets everyone.
I happen to have many criticisms of America, but in general when I see people bashing my country one way or another, I snap right back, especially seeing as I feel that in the final equasion we're the best country in the world. OMG I know... I know... it's horrible, an American with national pride who generally supports what his country does. Shocking I know for people who when they hear "America Sux" expect a chorus of agreement, including from left wingers within the US.
... and yeah, the "we saved you during World War II" thing usually jumps into it when Britan starts screaming about how wonderful it is compared to America, and all the things it's done.
Truthfully that's a bit more politic than talking about the era of British nationalism and colonialism, where Britan decided to do a lot of the things America is accused of except for real, went on a multi-fronted war of conquest "for the good of all these savages", overextended itself, and wound up mor or less collapsing. For example, one of the reasons why South Africa seems like it's such a bloody mess was because of British Colonialism (even though those colonies became independant). Sure, we've made a big mess of things trying to fix things (putting Mandela in charge who was probably worse than the racist pro-white goverment that was there to begin with in absolute terms) but in general that's us playing clean up.
Then you've of course got the fact that nations like China, India, The Middle East, etc.. seem to have issues with seeing "The West" as seperate nations to an extent. It's not so much that they see everyone as Americans, but that they see Americans as simply the continuation of the British Empire that was all up in their face previously. Tomorrow if Australia or Britan became the dominant world power, I doubt much would change in their relations despite what people might think. It's sort of like when a Chinese guy calls another Chinese a "twinkie" (Yellow on the outside, white inside), they are being anti-white, not nessicarly anti-any nation because one thing people seem to not get is that not everyone in the world views us as seperatly as we are... and a lot of this goes back to things from WELL before the US even existed, or was anything more than a joke on a global scale.
Fine, people disagree with me, but honestly there is validity to my viewpoints whether anyone wants to admit it or not. To me at least pointing out to an Anti-American brit that we saved them during two world wars is a heck of a lot nicer and less offensive (despite what they might think) then say starting an arguement about how much more aggressive the British Empire was than America ever was, stuff like the Apartheid, and how much cr@p we're currently
dealing with that's rooted in origins well before our country ever existed.
What's more I'm one of those people who feels that it would be wrong for us to return to isolationism (for a lot of reasons), but on certain levels sort of wishes we'd do it. In the end the world needs the "World Police" and someone is eventually going to have to step in. Find someone else to be "Not America" and foot the bill. It's one thing to support it, it's another to walk point.... and in the end that's the root of a lot of the cr@p we get. It's easy to criticize when your not doing the job.
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