Valve Reveals SteamOS

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Valve Reveals SteamOS


SteamOS promises to combine "the rock-solid architecture of Linux with a gaming experience built for the big screen."

The big Steam countdown has hit zero and amazingly, what greeted its hungry audience was not a server crash but SteamOS, a new, Linux-based operating system that will soon be available for "living room machines." Valve claims its new OS offers "significant performance increases in graphics processing," and says it is also working on improving audio performance and input latency.

Valve says "SteamOS machines" will offer a number of new features that have a focus on living room-based gaming. The biggest is probably the ability to stream Windows and Mac games from your standard PC to your SteamOS device, effectively bringing all your games to the big screen. Popular media services offering music, movies and television will also be accessible through the OS, and "Family Sharing" and other options will allow for easy sharing of games and more.

The SteamOS page also spends a good chunk of time talking about it as a "cooperating system," describing it as "a collaborative many-to-many entertainment platform, in which each participant is a multiplier of the experience for everyone else."

"With SteamOS, 'openness' means that the hardware industry can iterate in the living room at a much faster pace than they've been able to," it states. "Content creators can connect directly to their customers. Users can alter or replace any part of the software or hardware they want. Gamers are empowered to join in the creation of the games they love. SteamOS will continue to evolve, but will remain an environment designed to foster these kinds of innovation."

It's long on vague, jargon-y promises and short on detail, but there's no question that this is a big move. It's also worth pointing out, in case there's any question, that this isn't meant to muscle Windows (or whatever) off your PC, but to power separate, stand-alone "living room machines." In other words, in case there was any question, this all but guarantees that an announcement of a Steam box - the "SteamOS machine," as Valve puts it - will follow soon.

SteamOS is the first of three big announcements coming out of Valve this week - the countdown for the second [http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/] has already started, and will hit zero in just under 48 hours, which means 1 pm EST on Wednesday.

Source: Steam [http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/]


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Interesting, I just might do a dual boot with my new PC if this turns out to be half decent.

I certainly know my brother will be begging for this to go on the family computer.
 

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And there was me saying you'd never get everyone to jump over to Linux. GabeN, you magnificent bastard! D=
 

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Seeing as I bought a rig specifically for gaming... I may have to set up a dual boot if it turns out well.
 

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The one obstacle I saw in front of Gabe's vision - convincing everyone to use a Linux distro over their Windows installation, may be moving out of the way. There's no better way to handle that than to create their own distro with the "Steam" monicker and promise better graphics power. Now to find that middle market who wants a PC, doesn't want to build/buy their own, and essentially want a box similar to one of their consoles to get their feet wet. I'm excited to see how this all turns out.
 

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Daverson said:
And there was me saying you'd never get everyone to jump over to Linux. GabeN, you magnificent bastard! D=
This is no Linux tough, and by that I mean it's not meant to be a Windows alternative for PCs. It seems to be however a Linux based OS, but if that is what you meant, "everyone" already jumped over to Linux with Android.

Anyway if they deliver on the performance increases I am in.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
In other words, in case there was any question, this all but guarantees that an announcement of a Steam box - the "SteamOS machine," as Valve puts it - will follow soon.
That's kinda what I figure is going to happen as well, but who knows. All I know is that the announcement confused me greatly, because those vague, jargon-y promises pretty quickly make my eyes glaze over in boredom.

Also, I can't take credit for this, but "SteamOS" should totally be called "GladOS" instead.

[sub][sub]Hurr hurr, Andy Shandy, I'm in the threads, stealing your jokes![/sub][/sub]
 

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I'm disappointed that Valve didn't call it GladOS. It was the perfect opportunity!

shrekfan246 said:
Andy Chalk said:
In other words, in case there was any question, this all but guarantees that an announcement of a Steam box - the "SteamOS machine," as Valve puts it - will follow soon.
That's kinda what I figure is going to happen as well, but who knows. All I know is that the announcement confused me greatly, because those vague, jargon-y promises pretty quickly make my eyes glaze over in boredom.

Also, I can't take credit for this, but "SteamOS" should totally be called "GladOS" instead.

[sub][sub]Hurr hurr, Andy Shandy, I'm in the threads, stealing your jokes![/sub][/sub]
Not only do you steal them, you ninja me as well!
 

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DrunkOnEstus said:
The one obstacle I saw in front of Gabe's vision - convincing everyone to use a Linux distro over their Windows installation, may be moving out of the way. There's no better way to handle that than to create their own distro with the "Steam" monicker and promise better graphics power. Now to find that middle market who wants a PC, doesn't want to build/buy their own, and essentially want a box similar to one of their consoles to get their feet wet. I'm excited to see how this all turns out.
If valve can get a version of linux thats as user friendly and stable as windows 7 then they could take over PC gaming.
 

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The only thing I have to ask is... why? The console can't really stand alone, considering its Linux library is bare bones to say the least. So, in order to play any games worth their salt, it will require a running a high end gaming PC somewhere else in the house running Windows or MacOS.

Then, on top of that, you'll have to have another piece of gaming hardware sitting in the living room.

At that point, what's the lure? Why strip your PC Of all the other features that you'd want/need just for this OS? Why not just run Steam on said Living Room rig in Big Picture Mode running Windows?

It seems like reinventing the wheel, and unnecessarily. A great idea hampered by the fact that it's relying on a complicated home-network setup to function with everything on Steam's Library. Either that, or you get stuck with the limited Linux-based stuff.
 

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So, no one caught the "first of three big announcements" part of the article?

allow me, HL3, Confirmed to not be confirmed as the third announcement.

OT, now they have their own OS, just how long until we see PC's that are purpose built for SteamOS? As long as it doesn't need a second OS for launching or support, this might be a great addition to PC gamers OS choices.
 

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Ugh if it can eventually work as a good OS overall (as in do my work, play all my games and generally be like my Windows 7, BUT WITH more gaming capabilities).
 

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Doesn't seem like something I would use because I would still need to have a Windows machine running elsewhere to stream my Windows games off of.
 

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I'm not certain why it is really needed, and I am REALLY unconvinced about the need for a dedicated Steam Box.

But you know what would be crazy?

If by "living room machines" with steam streaming support, they are actually talking about one of the next gen consoles. That would throw everything on its head. In a good way.
 

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Andy Shandy said:
Not only do you steal them, you ninja me as well!
I think my avatar sums up my reaction to this turn of events.

Couldn't have gone better if I had planned it ahead of time!
 

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Andy Chalk said:
SteamOS is the first of three big announcements coming out of Valve this week - the countdown for the second [http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/] has already started, and will hit zero in just under 48 hours, which means 1 pm EST on Wednesday.
Who's willing to bet that we'll be waiting for the third announcement for years to come?
 

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So it enables... chromecast for steam?

I'd be in on that; chromecast was brilliant so being able to seamlessly stream gaming to a television from another room would be a huge step forward.
 

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I'm a bit underwhelmed that this is meant just for streaming from the PC and for music, videos etc...
It sounds kinda like a Xbone without the games.

But I hope this will work out fine, they might just inspire developers to port to their system and then getting rid of Windows would actually be an option.
 

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I'm a little concerned with the amount of control Valve would be able to exert. I like Steam, but it's near monopolistic position is worrying. Having a Valve OS would be sure to lock everyone into Steam being the only outlet for purchasing/playing games.

Also, who wants to bet HL3 is going to be a SteamOS exclusive?
This would explain the crazy development time.
 

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DrunkOnEstus said:
Now to find that middle market who wants a PC, doesn't want to build/buy their own, and essentially want a box similar to one of their consoles to get their feet wet. I'm excited to see how this all turns out.
I am absolutely that middle market haha. My steam library is huge but I mainly have to use a Mac for work, so I can only play a few of the titles. I've been waiting to see what moves Valve makes in this regard before setting out on buying a PC of my own because, as someone who doesn't really have the time to dedicate to staying on top of the research and tech necessary to ensure the best of the best, the task just seems so daunting.

The power of and adaptability of a PC with the combined convenience of Steam and a living room console... that sounds like a dream come true to me. Price be damned.

Off topic... Cap'cha... "$1.29 Hot N Spicy McChicken" This is getting a little silly.
 

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Oh great, yet another Linux variant. Not like we already have an established operating system pretty much all games are being made for...
 

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Nocturnus said:
The only thing I have to ask is... why? The console can't really stand alone, considering its Linux library is bare bones to say the least. So, in order to play any games worth their salt, it will require a running a high end gaming PC somewhere else in the house running Windows or MacOS.

Then, on top of that, you'll have to have another piece of gaming hardware sitting in the living room.

At that point, what's the lure? Why strip your PC Of all the other features that you'd want/need just for this OS? Why not just run Steam on said Living Room rig in Big Picture Mode running Windows?

It seems like reinventing the wheel, and unnecessarily. A great idea hampered by the fact that it's relying on a complicated home-network setup to function with everything on Steam's Library. Either that, or you get stuck with the limited Linux-based stuff.
Shhhh, the Valve fanboys will hear your dissension.

OT: I couldn't care less. I don't game in my living room, I don't have the money to get a new OS, I don't care about big picture and I'm not gonna buy another machine just so I can use my TV (Xbox and PS is a thing for this).

I just don't care.
 

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We?re working with many of the media services you know and love. Soon we will begin bringing them online, allowing you to access your favorite music and video with Steam and SteamOS.
If this means I can have a native Netflix client right in Steam, I'll be super happy. PCs have always gotten the short end of the stick with Netflix in terms of UI, getting only the browser experience and nothing else.

P.S. Thanks
 

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Lord Gaben has not forsaken us!

Wow, that really sounded dumb on my part. Still, excited to see how SteamOS shapes up.
 

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Chaosritter said:
Oh great, yet another Linux variant. Not like we already have an established operating system pretty much all games are being made for...
Valve hates where that OS is going. Making their own is a pretty interesting way of getting around that.

sirjeffofshort said:
that sounds like a dream come true to me. Price be damned.
Saviordd1 said:
I don't have the money to get a new OS, I don't care about big picture and I'm not gonna buy another machine just so I can use my TV
It's free, and OSs can be dual booted.

Just saying.
 

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rofltehcat said:
I'm a bit underwhelmed that this is meant just for streaming from the PC and for music, videos etc...
It sounds kinda like a Xbone without the games.

But I hope this will work out fine, they might just inspire developers to port to their system and then getting rid of Windows would actually be an option.
It streams games as well. And everything else about Steam. Go and read the full release info: http://store.steampowered.com/livingroom/SteamOS/

Captcha: Are you ready?
 

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lacktheknack said:
Chaosritter said:
Oh great, yet another Linux variant. Not like we already have an established operating system pretty much all games are being made for...
Valve hates where that OS is going. Making their own is a pretty interesting way of getting around that.

sirjeffofshort said:
that sounds like a dream come true to me. Price be damned.
Saviordd1 said:
I don't have the money to get a new OS, I don't care about big picture and I'm not gonna buy another machine just so I can use my TV
It's free, and OSs can be dual booted.

Just saying.
They can hate where it's going all they want to, but the fact of the matter is that most people are still going to run it, and with that, most games are going to be made for it. on top of that, their native Linux Platform is still going to require a machine with a good set of hardware running that "operating system that they don't like" in order to access the grand majority of their library.
 

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If they get a good amount of games running and released natively for it then people will likely ditch windows in a heartbeat. Well played Valve well played.
 

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Could be interesting. A stripped-down OS that will be able to do anything Windows can currently do[1], but intrinsically safer[2], and without the bloat[3].

[1] It's Linux. It will be hacked so that we can install any linux software on it, if it isn't open anyway on release.
[2] MS are getting better at security, but Linux has a lot more security features built in as standard.
[3] Windows cruft, forcing you to reinstall every 6 months or so to ensure proper efficiency.

The only reason I'm still using Windows as my main OS is because I have about 150 games on Steam.
 

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I, for one, welcome our new Linux overlords.

As to this being redundant, have people actually stepped back and looked where Microsoft is heading with Windows 8? It's away from the home PC/game PC environment - that's why the XBox is the "One" - you have a tablet for office work, and an XBox One for games and TV. They don't see a future for traditional desktop PCs (their stupidity).

And that's before you even look at the store restrictions they are trying to force with the like of Windows RT.
 

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Nocturnus said:
lacktheknack said:
Chaosritter said:
Oh great, yet another Linux variant. Not like we already have an established operating system pretty much all games are being made for...
Valve hates where that OS is going. Making their own is a pretty interesting way of getting around that.

sirjeffofshort said:
that sounds like a dream come true to me. Price be damned.
Saviordd1 said:
I don't have the money to get a new OS, I don't care about big picture and I'm not gonna buy another machine just so I can use my TV
It's free, and OSs can be dual booted.

Just saying.
They can hate where it's going all they want to, but the fact of the matter is that most people are still going to run it, and with that, most games are going to be made for it. Their native Linux Platform, to a large extent, is still going to require a machine with a good set of hardware running that "operating system that they don't like" in order to access the grand majority of their library.
Hilarious. I challenge you in <link=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.828906-Valve-Teases-Steam-Box-With-Countdown-Timer?page=3#20191446>the other thread and you don't even grace me with a reply, but bring up the exact same things I tried to answer fifteen minutes later in this thread... and then reply to me in this one to take me to task on a different issue.

Blinded by single-mindedness? Never!

Anyways, no one said that it wasn't going to need good hardware. Also, you're not a soothsayer. SteamOS is much more game-oriented than Windows, and it's fully possible it'll eclipse Windows in use by gamers.
 

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Nocturnus said:
lacktheknack said:
Chaosritter said:
Oh great, yet another Linux variant. Not like we already have an established operating system pretty much all games are being made for...
Valve hates where that OS is going. Making their own is a pretty interesting way of getting around that.

sirjeffofshort said:
that sounds like a dream come true to me. Price be damned.
Saviordd1 said:
I don't have the money to get a new OS, I don't care about big picture and I'm not gonna buy another machine just so I can use my TV
It's free, and OSs can be dual booted.

Just saying.
They can hate where it's going all they want to, but the fact of the matter is that most people are still going to run it, and with that, most games are going to be made for it. on top of that, their native Linux Platform is still going to require a machine with a good set of hardware running that "operating system that they don't like" in order to access the grand majority of their library.
You never know, Valve may have worked out to make a decent Windows VM for SteamOS. The OS may be Linux, but the games would think it was Windows. Similar to how GoG have managed to get all their pre-XP games to run on modern machines.
 

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Weaver said:
I'm a little concerned with the amount of control Valve would be able to exert. I like Steam, but it's near monopolistic position is worrying. Having a Valve OS would be sure to lock everyone into Steam being the only outlet for purchasing/playing games.
I think your concerns are completely unfounded. Firstly, Valve isn't even close to being in a monopolistic position. In fact, so long as other OS's continue to exist (which they will) and the PC platform stays open (which it pretty much will), they'll never be able to abuse their position in the way a company like Microsoft used to try and do because there are always going to be other companies and competitors ready to stick the knife in and give it a good twist should Valve ever betray their customers trust to any large degree.

Second, there's absolutely no reason to believe that releasing on SteamOS would require people to use Steam as their distribution platform. Valve has been extremely vocal about the need to keep the PC platform open, and is one of the biggest criticisms they had of Windows 8. Is it possible that they could make it a closed system with Steam required? Sure. Would it work? Not in a million years. They're not going to get this OS on millions of machines by making it closed off.
 

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I think this is just to get the "screw Linux, it won't run all my games" elephant out of the room. A lot of the page is dedicated to assuring you everything carries over, like your games and friends and the Workshop and everything.

So it's not like consoles where you grab a new piece of hardware and lose all your own functionality. Here you get all the old functionality from the start - if the streaming turns out fine.
The openness and hardware power potential sound like vague promises tho, they'll need to show some good hardware and launch titles to truly convince everyone, but they've already hinted at "living room machines" and "upcoming AAA titles", so I wouldn't worry about that. For now a few people might already be interested in grabbing a cheap PC to make their own SteamBox since the SteamOS itself will be free.

I'd definitely say getting the elephant out of the room first was the right decision. Any shiny features they could have shown would have been overshadowed by a big dark "b-but Linux" cloud. Lots of people were scared that Linux would mean less functionality.
 

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There are like hundreds of technical questions here that I feel that people should be asking, but aren't asking.

What about driver support? Is it going to be just as "open" as Ubuntu or this basically just Steam? Can I still download whatever programs I want, customize the experience and do everything else which makes Linux more "open" than Windows? Is streaming really the only viable supplement for Dirext X incompatibility or will there be a vine platform so that any of my existing games would actually work on this thing?

Gabe has given me some neat photoshopart and a few optimistic tagline, but he hasn't given me any real reason why Steam OS would actually solve the problems of existing Linux distros- the kind of problems Linux as a platform has to overcome to even be an option.
 

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Weaver said:
I'm a little concerned with the amount of control Valve would be able to exert. I like Steam, but it's near monopolistic position is worrying. Having a Valve OS would be sure to lock everyone into Steam being the only outlet for purchasing/playing games.

Also, who wants to bet HL3 is going to be a SteamOS exclusive?
This would explain the crazy development time.
We don't know anything yet about Valve tying things to Steam and considering they're putting emphasis on SteamOS being free, open, collaborative etc., I kinda doubt they will lock it down as much as they've feared from Microsoft. Having such an open console capable of competing with the very much locked-down PS4 and XBone could turn into a feature of its own that they shouldn't be interested in losing.
 

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If anything, I hope people will be running SteamOS and play any natively supported games on it just to piss off Microsoft. This seems like the first step on the long road to end our dependency on Windows. Plus, if enough people start gaming on a Linux distro, wine could improve much quicker than it has so far. If I could get rid of Windows without also getting rid of 90% of my games, I'd do it in an instant and I'm guessing most PC gamers would as well and that seems to be Valve's end goal with this.
 

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Marik Bentusi said:
Weaver said:
I'm a little concerned with the amount of control Valve would be able to exert. I like Steam, but it's near monopolistic position is worrying. Having a Valve OS would be sure to lock everyone into Steam being the only outlet for purchasing/playing games.

Also, who wants to bet HL3 is going to be a SteamOS exclusive?
This would explain the crazy development time.
We don't know anything yet about Valve tying things to Steam and considering they're putting emphasis on SteamOS being free, open, collaborative etc., I kinda doubt they will lock it down as much as they've feared from Microsoft. Having such an open console capable of competing with the very much locked-down PS4 and XBone could turn into a feature of its own that they shouldn't be interested in losing.
They haven't given us any reason to believe that talk is anymore than buzzwords.

Valve likes to talk open but their entire business plan is about locking down and sucking revenue out of a closed, tightly controlled platform.
 

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WTF is a 'living room machine'? The info from Valve is so completely vague it tells you pretty much nothing. It seems like all this really does is stream your PC to the living room TV and they have just re-branded the idea of a 'Steam Box' to call it an OS.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Nocturnus said:
lacktheknack said:
Chaosritter said:
Oh great, yet another Linux variant. Not like we already have an established operating system pretty much all games are being made for...
Valve hates where that OS is going. Making their own is a pretty interesting way of getting around that.

sirjeffofshort said:
that sounds like a dream come true to me. Price be damned.
Saviordd1 said:
I don't have the money to get a new OS, I don't care about big picture and I'm not gonna buy another machine just so I can use my TV
It's free, and OSs can be dual booted.

Just saying.
They can hate where it's going all they want to, but the fact of the matter is that most people are still going to run it, and with that, most games are going to be made for it. Their native Linux Platform, to a large extent, is still going to require a machine with a good set of hardware running that "operating system that they don't like" in order to access the grand majority of their library.
Hilarious. I challenge you in <link=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.828906-Valve-Teases-Steam-Box-With-Countdown-Timer?page=3#20191446>the other thread and you don't even grace me with a reply, but bring up the exact same things I tried to answer fifteen minutes later in this thread... and then reply to me in this one to take me to task on a different issue.

Blinded by single-mindedness? Never!

Anyways, no one said that it wasn't going to need good hardware. Also, you're not a soothsayer. SteamOS is much more game-oriented than Windows, and it's fully possible it'll eclipse Windows in use by gamers.
I never checked on that other thread. Sorry :p

And, maybe. We'll have to see. Valve is saying that they have some publishers on board, so if they can actually make it a next-gen compatible OS with a comparable console, and it has all those games ready to go? You never know.

I don't see it eclipsing the current Console market, though. The "All Digital" route was tried by XBoxOne, and we saw how well that went with console gamers. PC Gamers wanting a living room alternative? Maybe. But it HAS to have the library to back it up, and that will require a lot of time. It won't be until that time is over until they can completely cut ties from Microsoft or Apple and call it their own deal.
 

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Really, how is GNU (which Linux is basically part of), i.e. the idea and implementation of free software, compatible with closed-source, DRM-ridden, propriate spyware bullshit that is Steam and Steamworks?

Sigh.

Couldn't they just throw some support at Wine? They won't get the respect of Linux people this way.
 

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Daverson said:
And there was me saying you'd never get everyone to jump over to Linux. GabeN, you magnificent bastard! D=
This is no Linux tough, and by that I mean it's not meant to be a Windows alternative for PCs. It seems to be however a Linux based OS, but if that is what you meant, "everyone" already jumped over to Linux with Android.

Anyway if they deliver on the performance increases I am in.
I call all Unix-y OS "Linux", because I'm an ass like that. =p

You can bet your arse valve'll port this over to PC. When you think about it, it'd be pretty foolish not to.
 

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so its linux with a shinny new user interface.

i am not really impressed by this.
 

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I never checked on that other thread. Sorry :p

Ah. Pretend I said nothing.

And, maybe. We'll have to see. Valve is saying that they have some publishers on board, so if they can actually make it a next-gen compatible OS with a comparable console, and it has all those games ready to go? You never know.

I don't see it eclipsing the current Console market, though. The "All Digital" route was tried by XBoxOne, and we saw how well that went with console gamers. PC Gamers wanting a living room alternative? Maybe. But it HAS to have the library to back it up, and that will require a lot of time. It won't be until that time is over until they can completely cut ties from Microsoft or Apple and call it their own deal.
If Valve built the OS from the kernel up, it's totally possible that they've programmed basic compatibility that works for a large chunk of the library.

Or maybe they'll hire CD Projekt to do it. :p
 

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If game performance is better on the SteamOS than Windows then I'm all for it.

Odds are dual-booting a PC with SteamOS and Windows would essentially be a "gaming mode" for the computer. Frankly, I'm surprised this hasn't happened already. Consoles like Xbox and PlayStation are essentially computers with a dedicated gaming OS.

A computer running SteamOS is essentially a console except that the hardware can be customized.
 

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So the two remaining announcements are steambox and game sharing feature they've talked about? yay? I guess...
 

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Really, how is GNU (which Linux is basically part of), i.e. the idea and implementation of free software, compatible with closed-source, DRM-ridden, propriate spyware bullshit that is Steam and Steamworks?

Sigh.

Couldn't they just throw some support at Wine? They won't get the respect of Linux people this way.
They're not trying to impress Linux users, they're trying to impress PC/console crossover-ers.
 

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I call all Unix-y OS "Linux", because I'm an ass like that. =p

You can bet your arse valve'll port this over to PC. When you think about it, it'd be pretty foolish not to.
I really hope so, personally i have no intention of buying a steambox but might use steamOS on my PC if it offer even the slightest advantage over windows. But... I don't think this will make Linux based OS more popular among the general public, for one PCs are reducing it's market share, but mainly because I don't see steamOS being a general use OS (like Ubuntu or Windows) but a very niche OS (more akin to a console OS).

But what do I know, might be wrong.
 

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If game performance is better on the SteamOS than Windows then I'm all for it.
I would...If it was worth it. Most native Linux games would struggle to tax my PC, including nearly all Valve games and the demos which used the SDK Source 2013.

Besides, they've still got a lot to explain before I even care. If it's going to look like Win 8, Valve can fuck right off.
 

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Need more details obviously but not everything I want to play is on Steam. Not every good deal is on Steam. I just broke out of my ridiculous 5 year long "I'll only buy it if it registers on Steam" trance and I don't plan on falling back into it ever again.
 

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And yeah, we're talking about Valve. The company that found a way to monetize profile customization by introducing trading cards.

PROFILE CUSTOMIZATION.
 

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They're not trying to impress Linux users, they're trying to impress PC/console crossover-ers.
As a Linux user I am impressed, most of us are if you bother to read more techy oriented sites like this article http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/09/23/177246/valve-announces-linux-based-steamos (yeah, yeah, slashdot being mainstream nowdays, whatever). But I get what you say, there are hardcore GNU purist that will take an affront, good thing no one cares about that and they will just throw a fit on a dark corner of the internet.
 

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So this is why Gaben has been saying Linux will be the future of gaming. Whether or not that pans out remains to be seen. Doesn't seem likely when you still need a Windows machine on your network to run your huge backlog of existing games to stream over the network. Are they also putting effort into polishing wine's Direct3D support? This will be necessary if Linux is to ever truly take over. That's going to be quite a bit of work. There are so many bugs in it, both major and minor. Very few major Windows games on wine are a totally smooth experience right now.
 

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Still unconvinced.

And will remain so until I see a strategy on how they're going to deal with DirectX.

Most PC games are still being build based on that instead of OpenGL ( and other APIs for sound, input etc. ). Older games are for a very large part build on DirectX. And DirectX is fully owned by Microsoft and only available on Windows.

I don't really see the use for an OS that's only going to be able to stream the vast majority of games because it itself doesn't have the supporting libraries to run them.

Are they going to do a push in the games industry at large for OpenGL along with OpenAL for sound and something else for Input? Maybe SDL instead? Are they going to make a deal with Microsoft to get some form of DirectX running on SteamOS?

Until I know whether or not SteamOS is going to be able to play all the games I own that require DirectX and, if not, if Valve's going to ensure that no future PC game ever is going to use DirectX SteamOS will just be a second choice that technical people install as a dual-boot. Why use an OS that can only run OpenGL games when there's an OS that runs both OpenGL and DirectX games?

There are enough great games I'm missing out on already due to exclusive status to the consoles. I don't want to massively increase that list by adding games using DirectX on top of it.
 

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So - it'll be a box that'll let you play console games via your PC, on your TV.

Not a bad idea - it might be like an Ouya that actually sort of works as intended.

I doubt I'll get one any time soon - seeing as the closest thing I have to TV is my PC, but I can tell that this could very much allow console game manufacturers to to develop for a single platform (PC) which would allow them to constantly scale the hardware requirements, completely abolishing the idea of "console hardware generations"
 

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lacktheknack said:
They're not trying to impress Linux users, they're trying to impress PC/console crossover-ers.
As a Linux user I am impressed, most of us are if you bother to read more techy oriented sites like this article http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/09/23/177246/valve-announces-linux-based-steamos (yeah, yeah, slashdot being mainstream nowdays, whatever). But I get what you say, there are hardcore GNU purist that will take an affront, good thing no one cares about that and they will just throw a fit on a dark corner of the internet.
I can't wait to hear Richard Stallman's response to this! I can hear the weeping and voodoo-stabbing already! :D
 

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So - it'll be a box that'll let you play console games via your PC, on your TV.

Not a bad idea - it might be like an Ouya that actually sort of works as intended.

I doubt I'll get one any time soon - seeing as the closest thing I have to TV is my PC, but I can tell that this could very much allow console game manufacturers to to develop for a single platform (PC) which would allow them to constantly scale the hardware requirements, completely abolishing the idea of "console hardware generations"
No, there's no box. It's an OS, like Windows.
 

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not sure if i got this right but is this supposed to be a new and improved linux operating system for those who don't want to learn linux

or is it trying simply trying to imitate a console of some kind

either way it looks quite interesting, wouldn't replace my current OS but that's only because i spent 50 quid for windows 8 -.-
 

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At first I was thinking this was kind of lame, and it really is. Not really any point, it won't replace the Windows PC for those who desire one yet those are the games it's dealing with. And it won't replace the current living room gaming consoles as those are different games. It's too much of an extra expense to merit getting an extra machine, so.. pointless.

But then I got to thinking. With the rumours of a 'Steam Box', could we be about to see a gaming pc from Steam with the same model as the consoles?

As with the PS3,360 and upcoming gen, will Steam sell it's box at a loss? Will it rely on SteamOS integration and a practical monopoly on PC digital game sales to make up for it?

In other words, with the SteamOS / SteamBox combo, will we be seeing what may be the first cheap, manufacturer subsidized high-end gaming PC on the market? If that is where they're going with this it could be an amazing development for PC gaming.

Although , they should stop throwing Linux around as if it's a buzzword, it just makes non-nerds nervous when they need to be doing the opposite, selling it on the Steam integration and simplicity of getting games and drawing in the traditionally non-PC folk.
 

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The only thing I have to ask is... why? The console can't really stand alone, considering its Linux library is bare bones to say the least. So, in order to play any games worth their salt, it will require a running a high end gaming PC somewhere else in the house running Windows or MacOS.

Then, on top of that, you'll have to have another piece of gaming hardware sitting in the living room.

At that point, what's the lure? Why strip your PC Of all the other features that you'd want/need just for this OS? Why not just run Steam on said Living Room rig in Big Picture Mode running Windows?

It seems like reinventing the wheel, and unnecessarily. A great idea hampered by the fact that it's relying on a complicated home-network setup to function with everything on Steam's Library. Either that, or you get stuck with the limited Linux-based stuff.
And you are making a mistake right here, yes you would still need proper gaming hardware for the steam server, the but streaming client, could actually be pretty much be anything with a screen or that connect into a screen, if the streaming client software is release under free license. Basically you would just need a smart TV or an Apple TV box for example to connect to a Windows steam server. SteamOS is just Linux solution for HTPC (and possibly desktop, either through official and unofficial support, it mostly just a matter of knowing if Valve will support desktop software through official package repository, has I am certain someone will create package to make steamOS into a desktop OS, if they don't provide official support)
 

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not sure if i got this right but is this supposed to be a new and improved linux operating system for those who don't want to learn linux

or is it trying simply trying to imitate a console of some kind

either way it looks quite interesting, wouldn't replace my current OS but that's only because i spent 50 quid for windows 8 -.-
The second one. Linux distros already have the "User Friendly" scale covered (Ubuntu for n00bs, ARCH for masochists, and everything in between).
 

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GabeN is a fuckin' deity. This sounds really good. Open source gaming OS. What's not to like...in theory. Now let's see about that Half-Life 3 announcement.
 

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webkilla said:
So - it'll be a box that'll let you play console games via your PC, on your TV.

Not a bad idea - it might be like an Ouya that actually sort of works as intended.

I doubt I'll get one any time soon - seeing as the closest thing I have to TV is my PC, but I can tell that this could very much allow console game manufacturers to to develop for a single platform (PC) which would allow them to constantly scale the hardware requirements, completely abolishing the idea of "console hardware generations"
No box has been announced yet. So far this is just a Linux-Based OS that is Steam branded. We have no clues as to what they are talking about, however so far nothing all that interesting.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
In other words, in case there was any question, this all but guarantees that an announcement of a Steam box - the "SteamOS machine," as Valve puts it - will follow soon.
That's kinda what I figure is going to happen as well, but who knows. All I know is that the announcement confused me greatly, because those vague, jargon-y promises pretty quickly make my eyes glaze over in boredom.

Also, I can't take credit for this, but "SteamOS" should totally be called "GladOS" instead.

[sub][sub]Hurr hurr, Andy Shandy, I'm in the threads, stealing your jokes![/sub][/sub]
I think the steam box should give all notifications as Glados.... Like when you boot to desktop "Oh it is you... again..."


I think I need to dual boot my Gaming laptop also. I said to myself- nei! I promised that I will never go linux until I need to (Because my expensive applications for work aren't supported or support any form of linux).
Also the idea of using command line to find things took my taste away. (I know they have desktops but all the linux freaks say that the command line is better)
But if this turns out well and 80% of steam games work on it then I will go for it properly on gaming laptop and just get myself a better and newer workhorse.
 

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The in-home streaming sounds great (if works as advertised). I tried to set something similar myself, but without much success. If Steam will finally allow me to do this, it'll change the way I play games.
 

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Also, you're not a soothsayer. SteamOS is much more game-oriented than Windows, and it's fully possible it'll eclipse Windows in use by gamers.
The only way it would eclipse Windows is if developers start creating games for it, their seems to be a fallacy amongst the majority that if Valve makes it they will come, variants of Linux and it's ilk that can run games have been about for a good amount of time and their are still hardly any major developers using it or for that matter dual releasing on Windows alongside Linux.

MS don't charge for developers to create games on their OS, the tools and development kits for DX are out there, free to download and use and more importantly they are well developed, so given that the vast majority of the titles that use Steam will still require a Windows powered PC running to work, alongside the fact that which ever way you slice it the OS Steam will be releasing will still be new and subject to all the issues and development that goes with a new OS combined with the fact that after ten years Steam itself is still one of the slowest, bloat filled nonsense gaming clients that you can get, where exactly in all this is the proven skill set that Valve have got the chops to take on the Windows gaming market yet alone making it so big that they will force developers away from Windows to their own OS?

The real question is now that Valve have announced this, what are the reactions from the people who actually develop games? Have any big names come forward and expressed even the slightest interest? I haven't found anything yet.
 

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In SteamOS, we have achieved significant performance increases in graphics processing, and we?re now targeting audio performance and reductions in input latency at the operating system level. Game developers are already taking advantage of these gains as they target SteamOS for their new releases.
If this is legit then my body is ready. THE FUTURE IS HERE!

It'll be nice when I don't have to pay the Windows tax a few years from now just to run some programs and games that are only on Windows. And this is beautiful timing given Steve Balmer's recent comment that "Google is a monopoly" even though 90% of computers sold run Windows and come stock with Microsoft programs and services that users have to actively choose to replace all that garbage with Google products. Its just plain poetic that Balmer is one of the first big names to basically admit that Microsoft is on their way out
 

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The in-home streaming sounds great (if works as advertised). I tried to set something similar myself, but without much success. If Steam will finally allow me to do this, it'll change the way I play games.
I imagine it would work pretty well over ethernet, maybe not so much with wireless. No doubt they will not be using something inefficient like the VNC method of remote display. I'm sure they will use the same technique programs like FRAPS and Dxtory use to capture game output - hooking the D3D present function directly, then intercepting the rendered output straight to a framebuffer. At this point it can be compressed in real-time (no problem for modern PCs even at 1080p if using the right codec) and tunneled out over the LAN. This could work pretty well.

That also opens up the possibility to use weaker laptops as a client as well, in case you don't feel like sitting at your PC desk to play something. Hell, even dinky little netbooks with a single core Atom could handle this easily. (Not that I'd have a lot of fun gaming on my netbook)

I was actually writing my own software to do this recently to play modern games on an old Pentium 4 I currently use to play movies on my TV. I never finished and polished it, but the basics were functional. (Not remote input, I only had the output streaming going) It was actually relatively easy to do.
 

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Also, you're not a soothsayer. SteamOS is much more game-oriented than Windows, and it's fully possible it'll eclipse Windows in use by gamers.
The only way it would eclipse Windows is if developers start creating games for it, their seems to be a fallacy amongst the majority that if Valve makes it they will come, variants of Linux and it's ilk that can run games have been about for a good amount of time and their are still hardly any major developers using it or for that matter dual releasing on Windows alongside Linux.

MS don't charge for developers to create games on their OS, the tools and development kits for DX are out there, free to download and use and more importantly they are well developed, so given that the vast majority of the titles that use Steam will still require a Windows powered PC running to work, alongside the fact that which ever way you slice it the OS Steam will be releasing will still be new and subject to all the issues and development that goes with a new OS combined with the fact that after ten years Steam itself is still one of the slowest, bloat filled nonsense gaming clients that you can get, where exactly in all this is the proven skill set that Valve have got the chops to take on the Windows gaming market yet alone making it so big that they will force developers away from Windows to their own OS?

The real question is now that Valve have announced this, what are the reactions from the people who actually develop games? Have any big names come forward and expressed even the slightest interest? I haven't found anything yet.
Well, they announced it less than three hours ago. Give them a minute.

Also, if this OS has the VM capacity to run the majority of its Steam library, as it promises, then all your reservations are kind of moot, because Valve does all the work.
 

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People here don't know how to fuckin' read. To all those skeptics asking if they'll be able to run their DirectX games, read this part:

In-home Streaming

You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!
That sounds pretty straightforward to me.
 

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heh my current setup is a home theater pc with a pretty case in the living room, and a ginormous full tower game box in the next room with cables going through the wall to the TV (and a usb hub an an adapted ethernet cable next to the couch for controllers, wireless sucks)

with this I could i could connect both devices to the same "start" screen rather than behind different TV inputs

the future is awesome!
 

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Also, if this OS has the VM capacity to run the majority of its Steam library, as it promises, then all your reservations are kind of moot, because Valve does all the work.
There's nothing relating to VM. You still need a Windows system on the LAN to actually run and render the games.
 

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lacktheknack said:
Also, if this OS has the VM capacity to run the majority of its Steam library, as it promises, then all your reservations are kind of moot, because Valve does all the work.
There's nothing relating to VM. You still need a Windows system on the LAN to actually run and render the games.
You're right, I got completely mixed up. :D

Streaming is a good first step, if nothing else. It could lead to more.
 

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I can't wait to hear Richard Stallman's response to this! I can hear the weeping and voodoo-stabbing already! :D
RMS! That magnificent bastard. He's like a cross between the best of Molyneux, some Gandhi, a tad of your craziest uncle drunk in new year's eve and too much flower power. Batshit crazy, reaching for unattainable goals and almost always losing, but fighting the good fight.

I would buy him a drink but would first try to count the grains of sand in the desert than join his crusade.
 

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I think your concerns are completely unfounded. Firstly, Valve isn't even close to being in a monopolistic position. In fact, so long as other OS's continue to exist (which they will) and the PC platform stays open (which it pretty much will), they'll never be able to abuse their position in the way a company like Microsoft used to try and do because there are always going to be other companies and competitors ready to stick the knife in and give it a good twist should Valve ever betray their customers trust to any large degree.

Second, there's absolutely no reason to believe that releasing on SteamOS would require people to use Steam as their distribution platform. Valve has been extremely vocal about the need to keep the PC platform open, and is one of the biggest criticisms they had of Windows 8. Is it possible that they could make it a closed system with Steam required? Sure. Would it work? Not in a million years. They're not going to get this OS on millions of machines by making it closed off.
Now see...stop that. Just stop.

You're using logic and making sense. The two biggest hurdles between us (the forum users) and a good Valve bashing.

Stop ruining our witch hunt, damn it! If you keep pointing out the obvious and punching holes in our irrational concerns how are we ever going to continue berating Valve and it's fans?

You're just mean...
 

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Adam Jensen said:
People here don't know how to fuckin' read. To all those skeptics asking if they'll be able to run their DirectX games, read this part:

In-home Streaming

You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!
That sounds pretty straightforward to me.
Didn't seem all that clear to me, mainly because they say "existing computer" and then "your SteamOS machine" as if they're different pieces of hardware. Reading it again 3 different times I understood it but at first it sounded like something else.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
People here don't know how to fuckin' read. To all those skeptics asking if they'll be able to run their DirectX games, read this part:

In-home Streaming

You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!
That sounds pretty straightforward to me.
And, not only that (and one wonders if the SteamOS can stream over VPNs as well) but it's a straightforward, open (and free) OS. So, should push come to shove, you can just dual boot on your machine. A process that is as easy as it gets with PCs.
 

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I think one of the most interesting parts is their announcement all the way near the bottom in which they tease that some AAA titles in 2014 will be released on it. At least this is how I understand it.

They might go for the streaming thing first, then slowly hemorrhage players away from Windows to somewhen be an actual stand alone alternative.
 

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Wait, why would I ever want a second machine to stream my games to for my tv? Can't I just stream directly to the tv these days? Or push come to shove, use an HDMI cable and the tv as a monitor?

I'm not saying the OS doesn't have other appealing aspects, but wouldn't mind if someone could explain the point of that particular aspect.
 

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I'm surprised. And impressed! If they manage to get the delay down enough for the streaming, this is the kind of product I would buy. Being able to have my PC standing in my room, while also being able to play it on a livingroom TV sounds really tempting.
 

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Yea i'm not seeing any benefits that I benefit from.
If one of the best "new features" is streaming your games to our TVs...I have n HDMI cable for a reason, I can already do that.
 

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And as simply as that, Linux graphic driver problem has been solved.
 

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I'm a little disappointed. Was hoping for a real, standalone Linux distribution...not this sort of "hijack Windows" parasite.
 

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This has potential. The SteamOS gives devs a fixed target when developing for linux and so will likely make releasing linux versions of games easier.

I think MS is now starting to sweat a little that their dominance is cracking.
 

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I trust Valve will get most of my games library working in the first version, my primary worry is my steadily expanding GOG library remaining compatible. I know I sound ungrateful for a free OS and complete compatibility perfection in the same package is asking for way too much.

Thus I'll await for some people to post a youtube video on how to do a good Win7 to SteamOS migration.
 

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It sounds kinda like a Xbone without the games.
Actually, it sounds more like the PS4's streaming service without the PS4. Which is a little less absurd, but still not my first choice.

But I hope this will work out fine, they might just inspire developers to port to their system and then getting rid of Windows would actually be an option.
It'd be nice to see an option come to rival Windows. Not sure how likely that is, but still.
 

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If this means you can stream Steam to your big screen television, commonly in the living room. This means the Steam lovers will either have to buy a special table to rest their keyboard and mouse on while they sit on the couch or use... *GASP* a controller!

Wait problem solved.
 

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It's a bit putting the cart before the horse here.

If Valve wants PC gaming to shift off Windows and on to Linux then it needs to lead the charge and provide incentives for doing so. It most certainly isn't going to be an overnight ordeal and could take at least an entire generation of gaming to finally see come to light.

The only question is what do developers get out of designing games to be Linux compatible?
 

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WTF is a 'living room machine'? The info from Valve is so completely vague it tells you pretty much nothing. It seems like all this really does is stream your PC to the living room TV and they have just re-branded the idea of a 'Steam Box' to call it an OS.
...a living room machine is just a home theater PC. Everyone I know who has a big-screen TV in their living room has one, usually a micro-ATX or mini-ITX tower running a low-end desktop APU... and usually built by me (usually for around $300). They're a lot better for putting internet video on your TV than some locked-architecture PowerPC processor-running POS (they also function as a replacement for a blu-ray player... and they play basic games, store and display photos, et cetera), and this way you don't need to take your dedicated gaming rig out of its traditional desk-borne habitat (also, you don't need to make room for a gigantic PC tower in your entertainment center).

Pretty sure the Steam Box thing is forthcoming. They just announced the OS so we know we can put it on our existing machines.
 

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I fail to see why i'd use this, windows is too critical to everything, and generally innocuous in its operation, so i'm not gonna dual boot just to play games on linux. So that leaves steam os as a htpc os and streaming device for my windows tower.
Again i don't think anyone would run or dualboot a crippled OS on their main tower, so steam os becomes this sort of sideshowthing where its only useful if you have an htpc and want to stream a game to your TV.. it seems very niche. I'd rather they just to an app to mirror my pc on my tv with little latency
 

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As long as Steam doesn't become exclusive to this, then cool. More options for people is a good thing, not like they have the monopoly on PC and this doesn't change that like some people seem to think, as a PC can whatever OS you want on it etc.
 

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Wait, why would I ever want a second machine to stream my games to for my tv? Can't I just stream directly to the tv these days? Or push come to shove, use an HDMI cable and the tv as a monitor?

I'm not saying the OS doesn't have other appealing aspects, but wouldn't mind if someone could explain the point of that particular aspect.
Because, depending on your setup, doing that can be more trouble than it's worth. For one, I don't think most people have TVs that you can do the direct streaming thing, and trying to move a big desktop over so that I can hook my 5 foot HDMI cable to it is a huge pain in the ass. Plus, from my understanding, most wireless controllers take some finnicking to get working right on PC, and trying to use most wired PC controllers, which generally have fairly short cables, when you're trying to play games on a tv just sucks.

I understand that some people have setups that work really well for playing PC games on a TV, but I would be willing to bet that most people don't.

Anyway, I think that early 2014 would probably be the best time to launch some sort of Steambox thing (which is definitely happening at this point, and the SteamOS announcement is basically a prelude to that) if they want to compete with the console market. Most people aren't going to want to get consoles from this generation for a variety of reasons, so they just have to compete with the next gen consoles. The fact that the PS4 and Xbone are going to be pretty expensive means that pricing themselves out of the competition is going to be less of an issue. And the biggest weakness of new consoles is that they have a very limited library of games, which Valve seems to be addressing (although we don't yet know if it will be enough).

Of course, for this to actually compete with the console market in any serious way, Valve needs to do a lot to market this thing, especially to people that don't pay that much attention to the gaming scene, and they need to have a lot of games running natively on the thing, not just streaming. Both of which are things that we have no idea if they're going to happen or not.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
People here don't know how to fuckin' read. To all those skeptics asking if they'll be able to run their DirectX games, read this part:

In-home Streaming

You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!
That sounds pretty straightforward to me.
It still looks to me like a workaround rather than a proper solution to the problem. It's still a great first step, but I really hope the the SteamBox won't need a powerhouse middleman to play the majority of my games forever. Then again, the announcement pretty much admits that they haven't got some details sussed and they're working on it, so hopefully they'll let the Box work standalone in the future.
 

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Well, they announced it less than three hours ago. Give them a minute.
Yes you're right, the reality is this won't change a thing. End of the day it will just become another Linux Distro used by a minor number of people who will continue to dual boot with whatever version of Windows they choose to use. You'll have the die hards who will talk it up like it's the best thing they have ever used, you'll have their opposite number who think it's just a pointless waste of time (I guess I sit in that camp) and then you'll have the vast majority who will just want whatever is the easiest thing to use and end of the day that will be the Windows powered system.

As for the Steambox itself, well to be honest having the VP of one company spend several months moaning about a rival and then have them release a piece of hardware that fundamentally requires the services of the company that he has just spent all this time complaining about to work fully, it's not what wins respect.
 

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I am very interested to see how the "SteamBox" and "SteamOS" compete with the coming generation of console gaming. The freedom of both the OS and hardware could mean a more flexible and affordable way for you to game in your living room. I know there are already PC builds out there that accomplish this, but having a dedicated OS in place could simplify the process and really compete with Microsoft and Sony.
 

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So, basically it's Linux, associated with Steam, and made for public consumption of every-day people?
 

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Ok, maybe I'm extremely thick, but I'm not following what it's supposed to do. Can anyone explain it?
 

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SinisterGehe said:
I think the steam box should give all notifications as Glados.... Like when you boot to desktop "Oh it is you... again..."


I think I need to dual boot my Gaming laptop also. I said to myself- nei! I promised that I will never go linux until I need to (Because my expensive applications for work aren't supported or support any form of linux).
Also the idea of using command line to find things took my taste away. (I know they have desktops but all the linux freaks say that the command line is better)
But if this turns out well and 80% of steam games work on it then I will go for it properly on gaming laptop and just get myself a better and newer workhorse.
Just to inform you regarding the command line issue. To say you don't like it because of command line and because "it's better" as an excuse means you should stop using windows because using it's command line (cmd) is better too. That is to say, they like to just type commands weather its Linux or Windows. As far as using it with GUI like normal windows Linux can do it just as well as OSX and Windows, if not better.

aattss said:
So, basically it's Linux, associated with Steam, and made for public consumption of every-day people?
Thats what it looks like, we need more information to say much beyond that.
 

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Well, they announced it less than three hours ago. Give them a minute.
Yes you're right, the reality is this won't change a thing. End of the day it will just become another Linux Distro used by a minor number of people who will continue to dual boot with whatever version of Windows they choose to use. You'll have the die hards who will talk it up like it's the best thing they have ever used, you'll have their opposite number who think it's just a pointless waste of time (I guess I sit in that camp) and then you'll have the vast majority who will just want whatever is the easiest thing to use and end of the day that will be the Windows powered system.

As for the Steambox itself, well to be honest having the VP of one company spend several months moaning about a rival and then have them release a piece of hardware that fundamentally requires the services of the company that he has just spent all this time complaining about to work fully, it's not what wins respect.
A free boost in performance, framerate, graphics, loading times and input response time is never a waste of time. Windows is not a gaming-dedicated OS.
 

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I am very interested to see how the "SteamBox" and "SteamOS" compete with the coming generation of console gaming. The freedom of both the OS and hardware could mean a more flexible and affordable way for you to game in your living room. I know there are already PC builds out there that accomplish this, but having a dedicated OS in place could simplify the process and really compete with Microsoft and Sony.
What I am really curious about is what market is really going to adapt to something like a SteamBox/SteamOS for I remember the outcry against Microsoft with the features they were talking about with the Xbox One with requiring online handshakes every 24 hours, the ability not to resell games, unable to give a friend your copy of a game, less emphasis on disk based content making it more digital. All those concerns are what Steam is about and I can't see a person who has a console is going to be interested in those features when they were abandoning Microsoft when they mentioned they were included. Maybe I am reading it wrong.

Personally I have a HTPC setup using a desktop case already so I don't have any need to stream my games from my Windows PC to a box sitting under my TV so something like this isn't for me. If they are able to solve the DirectX/OpenGL limitations of Linux and getting more developers to make their games compatible with Linux I will have more interest in giving it a try for really gaming is the reason why I use a Windows based PC right now.
 

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I wonder if its going to see a 3.0 version before it goes to ground for 7 years.

My opinion is it looks good if they can deliver all the features promised now i got to see if i want to invest in one for my new place next year.
 

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Valve tend to be very consumer-friendly with these things, so provided it's as good as Windows and can run plenty of games, this will be a very good thing for us.

Plus, I'm happy seeing that I might not have to switch to the ugly Windows 8 mobile interface eventually.
 

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Sanunes said:
ReleGamer said:
I am very interested to see how the "SteamBox" and "SteamOS" compete with the coming generation of console gaming. The freedom of both the OS and hardware could mean a more flexible and affordable way for you to game in your living room. I know there are already PC builds out there that accomplish this, but having a dedicated OS in place could simplify the process and really compete with Microsoft and Sony.
What I am really curious about is what market is really going to adapt to something like a SteamBox/SteamOS for I remember the outcry against Microsoft with the features they were talking about with the Xbox One with requiring online handshakes every 24 hours, the ability not to resell games, unable to give a friend your copy of a game, less emphasis on disk based content making it more digital. All those concerns are what Steam is about and I can't see a person who has a console is going to be interested in those features when they were abandoning Microsoft when they mentioned they were included. Maybe I am reading it wrong.

Personally I have a HTPC setup using a desktop case already so I don't have any need to stream my games from my Windows PC to a box sitting under my TV so something like this isn't for me. If they are able to solve the DirectX/OpenGL limitations of Linux and getting more developers to make their games compatible with Linux I will have more interest in giving it a try for really gaming is the reason why I use a Windows based PC right now.
The comparison in attitudes towards DRM is interesting. I think it would sit easier with the consumers though. From what i am seeing the SteamBox could be a piece of kit that compliments your existing system and Steam Library. Also the possibility of third party hardware/configurations using SteamOS could bring a high fidelity, plug n' play gaming console that is cost effective (whilst also sharing games across your account). I'm interested to see how it develops as it is certainly early days.
 

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And here this may get me to try yet another linux based product. Already loving android, and while i hated the regular linux system ,this sounds promising.
BUt they have to really do well to make us jump ship and not just dualboot. But then, HL3 as launch title and the world will stop spinnign for a day.


Nocturnus said:
The only thing I have to ask is... why?
Because windows 8. Notch hates windows 8 with a passion. So what he does? he creates his own OS.

Deathlyphil said:
[3] Windows cruft, forcing you to reinstall every 6 months or so to ensure proper efficiency.

The only reason I'm still using Windows as my main OS is because I have about 150 games on Steam.
To be honest they got a lot better about it. I reinstall my Win7 only once 1.5 years or so and not because it trashes itself either. While it does have some bloat its way less than XP and previuos versions.
As for steam games, im not sure you aware but those games that have a linux version, you can install linux version from steam even if you bought windows version.

Lilani said:
Hm, I was really hoping for a separate console that can run Steam games, so I wouldn't have to worry about my PC outdating so soon. But maybe more will come in the second announcement.
BUy new console every... 7 years?
or
buy new PC every 5 years and have a lot more control.
I think thats a fair trade-off. you dont ahve to update PC every year you know.

sirjeffofshort said:
I am absolutely that middle market haha. My steam library is huge but I mainly have to use a Mac for work, so I can only play a few of the titles. I've been waiting to see what moves Valve makes in this regard before setting out on buying a PC of my own because, as someone who doesn't really have the time to dedicate to staying on top of the research and tech necessary to ensure the best of the best, the task just seems so daunting.
but do you have to be best of the best? or would a adequate off-the-shelf pre-built PC that works for 5 years without problems as lnog as you dont decide to "boost" it and has enough power to plow though the next generation games be enough? Building PCs is like collecting stamps. some people like to do it, but you dont have to. you can use stamps without being a collector.
 

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Valve says "SteamOS machines" will offer a number of new features that have a focus on living room-based gaming. The biggest is probably the ability to stream Windows and Mac games from your standard PC to your SteamOS device
I was excited until I read this. You will still need Windows or Mac to run the games. Was I wrong in hoping it would be an entirely new OS?
 

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008Zulu said:
Andy Chalk said:
Valve says "SteamOS machines" will offer a number of new features that have a focus on living room-based gaming. The biggest is probably the ability to stream Windows and Mac games from your standard PC to your SteamOS device
I was excited until I read this. You will still need Windows or Mac to run the games. Was I wrong in hoping it would be an entirely new OS?
Well, this box will be able to natively run any game that can run on Linux. And by "any", I mean both of them.

Interesting idea, but basically flawed. If enough things could run on Linux, then maybe. But after the results of my previous attempt to use Linux went badly, and the fact that I need my PC for things other than games, I still wouldn't go for it.
I just think that there's too much impetus behind Windows for developers to want to switch. On top of that, the streaming functionality doesn't need the hardware it has.
 

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Right now I trust Value and Steam, so I will buy a steambox with a GladOS and see what experience they deliver.
 

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008Zulu said:
You will still need Windows or Mac to run the games. Was I wrong in hoping it would be an entirely new OS?
You only need Windows or a Mac to run the games if they don't run natively on Linux. It's a workaround until more games are available natively.

9thRequiem said:
Well, this box will be able to natively run any game that can run on Linux. And by "any", I mean both of them.
Linux has 184 games at the moment (based on searching steampowered.com for games + linux), including DOTA2, Team Fortress 2, Trine 2, Amnesia: A Machine for Pigs, and Serious Sam 3. Compared to the Windows library of well over 2000 games, it's not that much, but Steam was only released for Linux about 7 months ago.

The Mac version of steam has just over 500 games and has been around for years, so whilst the Linux version doesn't have as many games as most people would like, it's come quite a long way very quickly. This is to say nothing of the larger companies that are openly advertising for linux developers and the notice on the page that bigger games will be coming next year.
 

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My PC is directly connected to my TV via HDMI. Why would I need your stuff valve?
Ah right I don't...
 

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Given the progression their company is taking with building more gaming friendly options for people to make use of, I definitely see this potentially becoming an Operating system for console like PCs and getting a good sized audience. With windows becoming a closed garden bit by bit, I don't doubt that we will need something like this.
 

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Nice work Valve!

As a Linux gamer, I've been appreciating the growing Steam library in recent months*, and this can only further the cause.

*To the 'hardly-any-games-run-on-Linux' sayers: of my modest library of 123 games, 60 now run under Linux. And these were purchased mostly before Steam for Linux came out, previously run either under WINE or on windows. I think I've only bought two knowing they worked on Linux)
 

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RicoADF said:
SinisterGehe said:
I think the steam box should give all notifications as Glados.... Like when you boot to desktop "Oh it is you... again..."


I think I need to dual boot my Gaming laptop also. I said to myself- nei! I promised that I will never go linux until I need to (Because my expensive applications for work aren't supported or support any form of linux).
Also the idea of using command line to find things took my taste away. (I know they have desktops but all the linux freaks say that the command line is better)
But if this turns out well and 80% of steam games work on it then I will go for it properly on gaming laptop and just get myself a better and newer workhorse.
Just to inform you regarding the command line issue. To say you don't like it because of command line and because "it's better" as an excuse means you should stop using windows because using it's command line (cmd) is better too. That is to say, they like to just type commands weather its Linux or Windows. As far as using it with GUI like normal windows Linux can do it just as well as OSX and Windows, if not better.
Dude... I worked with 10 linux nerds - and when I mean nerds - imagine those people who dress in linux gear and have it on their tablets and phones.
They tried to convert me and said the best way to use it is with the command line... But being dyslexic I prefer visual interface. And yes they said visual interfaces are available as an "addon" (Note I know there are fuck ton of different linuxs OS with variety to rival coral reefs)

I just don't like the idea of launching programs, findings files and doing other task that can be done with a click of an mouse - by typing a line of code to a small console at the bottom of the screen.

I know there are better linuxes for certain use. Like my rendering computer runs on linux because then I can allocate 99% of the computer to rendering cutting hours.

Also saying Linux does GUI better than MAC or W is stupid... Because I hate W8 and am totally fucking lost when using MACs. I prefer WXP interface even to 7.
It is like saying that you like the blue drawers with silver handles and I the black ones with gold plated ones.
 

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No matter who Valve is competing with, this is huge. They're clearly doing something that cause major change in the industry.

I had reservations that Valve would actually go this far. But now that this is announced, they clearly have.
Anyone who isn't a GNU purist should at least rejoice that Linux is getting better.

There's... way too much software for Windows that I can't abandon. But I can't be against Valve for going into such territory. From the look of things, they're competing against both consoles and Windows. And no one has yet been able to defeat Windows.

I just don't what Valve are going to do to be able to get significant support for their platform without DirectX. I know there is streaming, but SteamOS won't take off with just streaming alone. And just how many Steam games work on Linux as of right now and aren't developed specifically for DirectX?
 

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Ishigami said:
My PC is directly connected to my TV via HDMI. Why would I need your stuff valve?
Ah right I don't...
I thought it was very clear: "Valve claims its new OS offers "significant performance increases in graphics processing," and says it is also working on improving audio performance and input latency."

If this is true, you don't need it, but games will perform better on it, the same with any incremental upgrade ever. I for one am very curious to see how it performs on the wild.
 

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SinisterGehe said:
Dude... I worked with 10 linux nerds - and when I mean nerds - imagine those people who dress in linux gear and have it on their tablets and phones.
They tried to convert me and said the best way to use it is with the command line... But being dyslexic I prefer visual interface. And yes they said visual interfaces are available as an "addon" (Note I know there are fuck ton of different linuxs OS with variety to rival coral reefs)

I just don't like the idea of launching programs, findings files and doing other task that can be done with a click of an mouse - by typing a line of code to a small console at the bottom of the screen.

I know there are better linuxes for certain use. Like my rendering computer runs on linux because then I can allocate 99% of the computer to rendering cutting hours.

Also saying Linux does GUI better than MAC or W is stupid... Because I hate W8 and am totally fucking lost when using MACs. I prefer WXP interface even to 7.
It is like saying that you like the blue drawers with silver handles and I the black ones with gold plated ones.
As I said, you don't need to touch command lines at all, you can install and use 100% via mouse and keyboard like windows and mac. It's been years since Ive typed any command lines, it works 100% in GUI now (on desktop linux distros).
Sounds like you do use linux at times atleast. For desktop might I suggest linux mint, best alternate for windows imo.

EDIT: To clarify does GUI better than Windows comment, I wasn't refering to looks/colour, but rather than its simple to use and you can even get programs with a few clicks. No stuffing around with 3rd party clients or install discs.
 

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RicoADF said:
SinisterGehe said:
Dude... I worked with 10 linux nerds - and when I mean nerds - imagine those people who dress in linux gear and have it on their tablets and phones.
They tried to convert me and said the best way to use it is with the command line... But being dyslexic I prefer visual interface. And yes they said visual interfaces are available as an "addon" (Note I know there are fuck ton of different linuxs OS with variety to rival coral reefs)

I just don't like the idea of launching programs, findings files and doing other task that can be done with a click of an mouse - by typing a line of code to a small console at the bottom of the screen.

I know there are better linuxes for certain use. Like my rendering computer runs on linux because then I can allocate 99% of the computer to rendering cutting hours.

Also saying Linux does GUI better than MAC or W is stupid... Because I hate W8 and am totally fucking lost when using MACs. I prefer WXP interface even to 7.
It is like saying that you like the blue drawers with silver handles and I the black ones with gold plated ones.
As I said, you don't need to touch command lines at all, you can install and use 100% via mouse and keyboard like windows and mac. It's been years since Ive typed any command lines, it works 100% in GUI now (on desktop linux distros).
Sounds like you do use linux at times atleast. For desktop might I suggest linux mint, best alternate for windows imo.

EDIT: To clarify does GUI better than Windows comment, I wasn't refering to looks/colour, but rather than its simple to use and you can even get programs with a few clicks. No stuffing around with 3rd party clients or install discs.
Issue is that the expensive programs I use for work and other tasks. Hobbies music system and hardware are not supported on linux. I am happy with the render's linux, but until the programs get support I can't "afford" to change. But if steam gets majority of my almost 400 games to work on their OS then I will swap the laptop to it.
 

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So it's basically just a Linux OS with a Steam logo tacked on?

Seems kinda useless when only a fraction of games today can run on Linux anyway.
 

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Tanakh said:
I thought it was very clear: "Valve claims its new OS offers "significant performance increases in graphics processing," and says it is also working on improving audio performance and input latency."

If this is true, you don't need it, but games will perform better on it, the same with any incremental upgrade ever. I for one am very curious to see how it performs on the wild.
As long as the games don't require Microsoft proprietary components (read: DirectX) then sure.
But that's excluding a LOT of games on the market; pretty much everything ported from the Xbox 360 for sure.

Long term, I'm thinking Gabe Newell's strategy is to pressure the market into moving away from MS dependent kits and handlers like DirectX. But that's a brutal uphill battle given the huge install base DirectX has. (over 15 years now)
That's brutal even for an entity as big as Steam.
 

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I think this all comes down to how well Valve can market SteamOS computers as open consoles. I can't see PC gamers jumping straight to this OS, but many console gamers (including myself) would love to play PC games in a more console-like setting, without giving up the advantages of the PC. That's what SteamOS and Steam Machines seem to be doing. Then if it catches on we'll get more and more games for the operating system and PC gamers can start to jump ship

I'm just hoping Valve doesn't restrict SteamOS releases to Steam itself. It sounds like they're letting the consumer do whatever they want, but will they let publishers/developers do the same?
 

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If I've bought the windows version of loads of games am I going to have re-purchase them to run them on the steam OS (or just reconfigure the box as soon as I get it)
 

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If I've bought the windows version of loads of games am I going to have re-purchase them to run them on the steam OS (or just reconfigure the box as soon as I get it)
No, Steam has cross-buy. If you buy a game that has Mac and Linux versions, you get all three for one purchase. The SteamOS is Linux-based, so yeah.