Valve Reveals SteamOS

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If this means you can stream Steam to your big screen television, commonly in the living room. This means the Steam lovers will either have to buy a special table to rest their keyboard and mouse on while they sit on the couch or use... *GASP* a controller!

Wait problem solved.
 

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It's a bit putting the cart before the horse here.

If Valve wants PC gaming to shift off Windows and on to Linux then it needs to lead the charge and provide incentives for doing so. It most certainly isn't going to be an overnight ordeal and could take at least an entire generation of gaming to finally see come to light.

The only question is what do developers get out of designing games to be Linux compatible?
 

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Crazy Zaul said:
WTF is a 'living room machine'? The info from Valve is so completely vague it tells you pretty much nothing. It seems like all this really does is stream your PC to the living room TV and they have just re-branded the idea of a 'Steam Box' to call it an OS.
...a living room machine is just a home theater PC. Everyone I know who has a big-screen TV in their living room has one, usually a micro-ATX or mini-ITX tower running a low-end desktop APU... and usually built by me (usually for around $300). They're a lot better for putting internet video on your TV than some locked-architecture PowerPC processor-running POS (they also function as a replacement for a blu-ray player... and they play basic games, store and display photos, et cetera), and this way you don't need to take your dedicated gaming rig out of its traditional desk-borne habitat (also, you don't need to make room for a gigantic PC tower in your entertainment center).

Pretty sure the Steam Box thing is forthcoming. They just announced the OS so we know we can put it on our existing machines.
 

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I fail to see why i'd use this, windows is too critical to everything, and generally innocuous in its operation, so i'm not gonna dual boot just to play games on linux. So that leaves steam os as a htpc os and streaming device for my windows tower.
Again i don't think anyone would run or dualboot a crippled OS on their main tower, so steam os becomes this sort of sideshowthing where its only useful if you have an htpc and want to stream a game to your TV.. it seems very niche. I'd rather they just to an app to mirror my pc on my tv with little latency
 

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As long as Steam doesn't become exclusive to this, then cool. More options for people is a good thing, not like they have the monopoly on PC and this doesn't change that like some people seem to think, as a PC can whatever OS you want on it etc.
 

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Wait, why would I ever want a second machine to stream my games to for my tv? Can't I just stream directly to the tv these days? Or push come to shove, use an HDMI cable and the tv as a monitor?

I'm not saying the OS doesn't have other appealing aspects, but wouldn't mind if someone could explain the point of that particular aspect.
Because, depending on your setup, doing that can be more trouble than it's worth. For one, I don't think most people have TVs that you can do the direct streaming thing, and trying to move a big desktop over so that I can hook my 5 foot HDMI cable to it is a huge pain in the ass. Plus, from my understanding, most wireless controllers take some finnicking to get working right on PC, and trying to use most wired PC controllers, which generally have fairly short cables, when you're trying to play games on a tv just sucks.

I understand that some people have setups that work really well for playing PC games on a TV, but I would be willing to bet that most people don't.

Anyway, I think that early 2014 would probably be the best time to launch some sort of Steambox thing (which is definitely happening at this point, and the SteamOS announcement is basically a prelude to that) if they want to compete with the console market. Most people aren't going to want to get consoles from this generation for a variety of reasons, so they just have to compete with the next gen consoles. The fact that the PS4 and Xbone are going to be pretty expensive means that pricing themselves out of the competition is going to be less of an issue. And the biggest weakness of new consoles is that they have a very limited library of games, which Valve seems to be addressing (although we don't yet know if it will be enough).

Of course, for this to actually compete with the console market in any serious way, Valve needs to do a lot to market this thing, especially to people that don't pay that much attention to the gaming scene, and they need to have a lot of games running natively on the thing, not just streaming. Both of which are things that we have no idea if they're going to happen or not.
 

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Adam Jensen said:
People here don't know how to fuckin' read. To all those skeptics asking if they'll be able to run their DirectX games, read this part:

In-home Streaming

You can play all your Windows and Mac games on your SteamOS machine, too. Just turn on your existing computer and run Steam as you always have - then your SteamOS machine can stream those games over your home network straight to your TV!
That sounds pretty straightforward to me.
It still looks to me like a workaround rather than a proper solution to the problem. It's still a great first step, but I really hope the the SteamBox won't need a powerhouse middleman to play the majority of my games forever. Then again, the announcement pretty much admits that they haven't got some details sussed and they're working on it, so hopefully they'll let the Box work standalone in the future.
 

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Well, they announced it less than three hours ago. Give them a minute.
Yes you're right, the reality is this won't change a thing. End of the day it will just become another Linux Distro used by a minor number of people who will continue to dual boot with whatever version of Windows they choose to use. You'll have the die hards who will talk it up like it's the best thing they have ever used, you'll have their opposite number who think it's just a pointless waste of time (I guess I sit in that camp) and then you'll have the vast majority who will just want whatever is the easiest thing to use and end of the day that will be the Windows powered system.

As for the Steambox itself, well to be honest having the VP of one company spend several months moaning about a rival and then have them release a piece of hardware that fundamentally requires the services of the company that he has just spent all this time complaining about to work fully, it's not what wins respect.
 

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I am very interested to see how the "SteamBox" and "SteamOS" compete with the coming generation of console gaming. The freedom of both the OS and hardware could mean a more flexible and affordable way for you to game in your living room. I know there are already PC builds out there that accomplish this, but having a dedicated OS in place could simplify the process and really compete with Microsoft and Sony.
 

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So, basically it's Linux, associated with Steam, and made for public consumption of every-day people?
 

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Ok, maybe I'm extremely thick, but I'm not following what it's supposed to do. Can anyone explain it?
 

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SinisterGehe said:
I think the steam box should give all notifications as Glados.... Like when you boot to desktop "Oh it is you... again..."


I think I need to dual boot my Gaming laptop also. I said to myself- nei! I promised that I will never go linux until I need to (Because my expensive applications for work aren't supported or support any form of linux).
Also the idea of using command line to find things took my taste away. (I know they have desktops but all the linux freaks say that the command line is better)
But if this turns out well and 80% of steam games work on it then I will go for it properly on gaming laptop and just get myself a better and newer workhorse.
Just to inform you regarding the command line issue. To say you don't like it because of command line and because "it's better" as an excuse means you should stop using windows because using it's command line (cmd) is better too. That is to say, they like to just type commands weather its Linux or Windows. As far as using it with GUI like normal windows Linux can do it just as well as OSX and Windows, if not better.

aattss said:
So, basically it's Linux, associated with Steam, and made for public consumption of every-day people?
Thats what it looks like, we need more information to say much beyond that.
 

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Laughing Man said:
Well, they announced it less than three hours ago. Give them a minute.
Yes you're right, the reality is this won't change a thing. End of the day it will just become another Linux Distro used by a minor number of people who will continue to dual boot with whatever version of Windows they choose to use. You'll have the die hards who will talk it up like it's the best thing they have ever used, you'll have their opposite number who think it's just a pointless waste of time (I guess I sit in that camp) and then you'll have the vast majority who will just want whatever is the easiest thing to use and end of the day that will be the Windows powered system.

As for the Steambox itself, well to be honest having the VP of one company spend several months moaning about a rival and then have them release a piece of hardware that fundamentally requires the services of the company that he has just spent all this time complaining about to work fully, it's not what wins respect.
A free boost in performance, framerate, graphics, loading times and input response time is never a waste of time. Windows is not a gaming-dedicated OS.
 

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ReleGamer said:
I am very interested to see how the "SteamBox" and "SteamOS" compete with the coming generation of console gaming. The freedom of both the OS and hardware could mean a more flexible and affordable way for you to game in your living room. I know there are already PC builds out there that accomplish this, but having a dedicated OS in place could simplify the process and really compete with Microsoft and Sony.
What I am really curious about is what market is really going to adapt to something like a SteamBox/SteamOS for I remember the outcry against Microsoft with the features they were talking about with the Xbox One with requiring online handshakes every 24 hours, the ability not to resell games, unable to give a friend your copy of a game, less emphasis on disk based content making it more digital. All those concerns are what Steam is about and I can't see a person who has a console is going to be interested in those features when they were abandoning Microsoft when they mentioned they were included. Maybe I am reading it wrong.

Personally I have a HTPC setup using a desktop case already so I don't have any need to stream my games from my Windows PC to a box sitting under my TV so something like this isn't for me. If they are able to solve the DirectX/OpenGL limitations of Linux and getting more developers to make their games compatible with Linux I will have more interest in giving it a try for really gaming is the reason why I use a Windows based PC right now.
 

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I wonder if its going to see a 3.0 version before it goes to ground for 7 years.

My opinion is it looks good if they can deliver all the features promised now i got to see if i want to invest in one for my new place next year.
 

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Valve tend to be very consumer-friendly with these things, so provided it's as good as Windows and can run plenty of games, this will be a very good thing for us.

Plus, I'm happy seeing that I might not have to switch to the ugly Windows 8 mobile interface eventually.
 

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Sanunes said:
ReleGamer said:
I am very interested to see how the "SteamBox" and "SteamOS" compete with the coming generation of console gaming. The freedom of both the OS and hardware could mean a more flexible and affordable way for you to game in your living room. I know there are already PC builds out there that accomplish this, but having a dedicated OS in place could simplify the process and really compete with Microsoft and Sony.
What I am really curious about is what market is really going to adapt to something like a SteamBox/SteamOS for I remember the outcry against Microsoft with the features they were talking about with the Xbox One with requiring online handshakes every 24 hours, the ability not to resell games, unable to give a friend your copy of a game, less emphasis on disk based content making it more digital. All those concerns are what Steam is about and I can't see a person who has a console is going to be interested in those features when they were abandoning Microsoft when they mentioned they were included. Maybe I am reading it wrong.

Personally I have a HTPC setup using a desktop case already so I don't have any need to stream my games from my Windows PC to a box sitting under my TV so something like this isn't for me. If they are able to solve the DirectX/OpenGL limitations of Linux and getting more developers to make their games compatible with Linux I will have more interest in giving it a try for really gaming is the reason why I use a Windows based PC right now.
The comparison in attitudes towards DRM is interesting. I think it would sit easier with the consumers though. From what i am seeing the SteamBox could be a piece of kit that compliments your existing system and Steam Library. Also the possibility of third party hardware/configurations using SteamOS could bring a high fidelity, plug n' play gaming console that is cost effective (whilst also sharing games across your account). I'm interested to see how it develops as it is certainly early days.
 

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And here this may get me to try yet another linux based product. Already loving android, and while i hated the regular linux system ,this sounds promising.
BUt they have to really do well to make us jump ship and not just dualboot. But then, HL3 as launch title and the world will stop spinnign for a day.


Nocturnus said:
The only thing I have to ask is... why?
Because windows 8. Notch hates windows 8 with a passion. So what he does? he creates his own OS.

Deathlyphil said:
[3] Windows cruft, forcing you to reinstall every 6 months or so to ensure proper efficiency.

The only reason I'm still using Windows as my main OS is because I have about 150 games on Steam.
To be honest they got a lot better about it. I reinstall my Win7 only once 1.5 years or so and not because it trashes itself either. While it does have some bloat its way less than XP and previuos versions.
As for steam games, im not sure you aware but those games that have a linux version, you can install linux version from steam even if you bought windows version.

Lilani said:
Hm, I was really hoping for a separate console that can run Steam games, so I wouldn't have to worry about my PC outdating so soon. But maybe more will come in the second announcement.
BUy new console every... 7 years?
or
buy new PC every 5 years and have a lot more control.
I think thats a fair trade-off. you dont ahve to update PC every year you know.

sirjeffofshort said:
I am absolutely that middle market haha. My steam library is huge but I mainly have to use a Mac for work, so I can only play a few of the titles. I've been waiting to see what moves Valve makes in this regard before setting out on buying a PC of my own because, as someone who doesn't really have the time to dedicate to staying on top of the research and tech necessary to ensure the best of the best, the task just seems so daunting.
but do you have to be best of the best? or would a adequate off-the-shelf pre-built PC that works for 5 years without problems as lnog as you dont decide to "boost" it and has enough power to plow though the next generation games be enough? Building PCs is like collecting stamps. some people like to do it, but you dont have to. you can use stamps without being a collector.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Valve says "SteamOS machines" will offer a number of new features that have a focus on living room-based gaming. The biggest is probably the ability to stream Windows and Mac games from your standard PC to your SteamOS device
I was excited until I read this. You will still need Windows or Mac to run the games. Was I wrong in hoping it would be an entirely new OS?