i presume we are both talking about solid state memory, and usb ports don't provide a high enough data transfer rate in my mind300lb. Samoan said:
Valve Says PS3 Complexity Hinders Game Development
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Agreed. These guys are being stupid, They have no idea what their talking about. When have they ever coded a console game?D_987 said:
I doubt they honestly as much about code as they make out.
and the ones who really hate valve seem to be Ps3 fanboys, and to them I just say: Your typing from a computer right? Buy a valve game and install it on your Computer if its a PC. THERE. PROBLEM SOLVED. Hooray, you get valve games.
But anywa, valve focus on gameplay, not shiny graphics, so I guess they should be able to make something for the PS3, becuase, y'know, if it was really that hard other companies wouldnt be able to do it as they all, well, Suck compared to valve.
Although very recently theyve pulled some risky moved with the new TF2 weapon-acheiving system (World of warc-I mean TF2, anyone?) announcing LFD2 fairly early (Even though im eager for it, some ungrateful whiners are not) and announcing they dont like PS3 (Although I can relate.) But they are still a great company, just going through some rocky terrain right now.
I dont even see a difference between Blu-ray and Xbox's HDDVD, and 'blu-ray' is the Ps3's selling point, so the no-difference worries me. But I guess that wand thing they announced at E3 was meant to be a selling point also, but its kinda overruled by NATAL announced at the same time...Xbowhyena said:
Since Blu-ray can store more, can take more damage, and sounds cooler than HD-DVD, It was a bit of an easy win (especially the name part).Ashbax said:
Another reason why the PS3 did as well as it has was because it is cheaper than the directed blu-ray players out there, and thus people have bought it as such in the past few years.
Sorry if someone already answered this for you (probably).ElArabDeMagnifico said:
But it's different.
They don't own 'pc architecture' but there OS, is based on the architecture. Or rather in some cases, the architecture, is based around the OS. Microsoft makes 360, Microsoft owns Windows. They are a software company, they MAKE OPERATING SYSTEMS, obviously they have experience with the first game developers on PC's MAKING games for there OS! But they also own alot of other things that Aid in making games for windows, And other 'software' or things like Physx, were developed On and FOR windows. So there 360 IS going to have an EASY transition from pc to 360! A standard PC and a 360 nearly have the same architecture. The only real main difference between them, is that PC's have different 'hardware', where as the 360s are all nearly identicle in terms of hardware. (varrying sizes of the CPU 45vs60nm, HDD, ect)hermes200 said:
The PS3 is owned by Sony, Sony is a hardware company. They make everything. TV's dvd players, DVRs, cd players. They know hardware. They know what they are doing. This is why the ps3 had such a low 'failure rate' compared to any other console. But, they aren't an OS company. They can't use a 'windows like' operating system, because then they'd owe Microsoft money. And considering code is based on the operating system, they can't use the same type of coding that they use on windows. (well not entirely true but its basically the same premise)
They also have to assign resources to be used in specific areas, somethig PC developers don't do. (except during the hyperthreading days)
Anyways it has been proven that games that were developed on the PS3 first, (or in conjunction with the 360) take less time to port over to other systems, Going to the PS3 is like translating Russian to Latin To French To English. Where as Ps3 to 360 is Russian to Latin To English. Doing them together, theres hardly any translation. Use the same assets, story/phyx, they just gotta fiddle around with how each system handels it.
God I hate console wars.
The coding for the Xbox is extremely similar to PC. The coding for PS3 is standalone. I just think that Vavle's a bit lazy. I know when I really got into coding for IRC, I started with learning Python for one client and another client had a standalone coding style. Knowing nothing about coding previously, the standalone coding was A LOT EASIER. My friends who already knew Python, Pearl, and a dozen other coding languages said that it was REALLY ANNOYING...just because they didn't know it and didn't feel like learning it.
I'm thinking that these devs should really just devote some time to learning how to code for the PS3. I think they're just calling it difficult because it's different.
The coding for the Xbox is extremely similar to PC. The coding for PS3 is standalone. I just think that Vavle's a bit lazy. I know when I really got into coding for IRC, I started with learning Python for one client and another client had a standalone coding style. Knowing nothing about coding previously, the standalone coding was A LOT EASIER. My friends who already knew Python, Pearl, and a dozen other coding languages said that it was REALLY ANNOYING...just because they didn't know it and didn't feel like learning it.
I'm thinking that these devs should really just devote some time to learning how to code for the PS3. I think they're just calling it difficult because it's different.
I don't get the fan-boy raging here. I personally don't plan on buying a PS3. I'm content with my 360. Only one game on the PS3 has really caught my attention, & that's inFAMOUS. Versus all the games on the 360 that had my attention before I ever had it. Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Halo 3, GoW, Assassin's Creed, Left 4 Dead, Call of Duty 4, & the list goes on. Reasons I have for not getting the PS3 overall comes down to the still-hefty price tag & the lack of exclusives to catch my attention. That said, the 360 isn't flawless. To get the most out of most of the games, you need an XBL Gold account. And the system is still buggy even almost 4 years after it was launched.
Edit: And you don't need to remind me that Fallout 3 & Assassin's Creed were also on the PS3.
Edit: And you don't need to remind me that Fallout 3 & Assassin's Creed were also on the PS3.
I could have told anyone this after 2 minutes with a PS3 spec sheet.
No to mention the fact that the PS3 deisgn is only so overly complicated to hide its poor hardware choices and compensate for the outrageous price tag. If they had chosen a similar deisgn to the 360 they could have easily produce a superior machine for the same cost as the current PS3, but instead they have a machine roughly comparable to the 360 as far as performance, but way harder to code for.
1 word.. FAIL.
Biggest load of BS ive ever heard. Developers arnt going to be able to maximise potential, they are going to waste time and money getting the damn thing to work. Games are built and designed on PCs, therefore it would be logical to deisgn a console as close to PC arcitecture as possible for an easy port between the two. The 360 is close enough to make a port easy, the PS3 on the other hand is so cack handidly designed that it must triple development time.
No to mention the fact that the PS3 deisgn is only so overly complicated to hide its poor hardware choices and compensate for the outrageous price tag. If they had chosen a similar deisgn to the 360 they could have easily produce a superior machine for the same cost as the current PS3, but instead they have a machine roughly comparable to the 360 as far as performance, but way harder to code for.
1 word.. FAIL.
Indigo_Dingo said:
Christ almighty, can you please stop arguing? ALL consoles (PC included) have excellent games on them. Some people believe that other consoles have more or more excellent games than others, or that some consoles or developers are "better". To me, each console has extreme potential and there is no point arguing over any of this. I have been called a "fanboy" and an "Xbot" because I love the 360. That's my opinion, and no-one is going to change it. It's the same with you guys, you're hatin' each other because of different opinions and preferences. Each console in history has SOME kind of perk. PS3 has stronger hardware, 360... I don't know, I'm too tired to think.I would suggest that we drop all this SHIT and call a truce.
I really hate to be the one to burst both of your bubbles here but since when did a game become universally good? You both fail. You are speaking from your own opinions about what game is better but it is just your opinions. And guess what, THEY ARE LIKE ASSHOLES!!!!! Everyone has one and no one thinks thiers stinks. They play games. They all have a library to choose from. Pick the games you like, the console or PC you like and STFU already.Indigo_Dingo said:
Unless of course I missed the memo that appointed either one of you the gaming god whose sole judgement decides what games are good for all gamers and which aren't then disregard this post.
