Valve Teases TF2 Demoman and Soldier Updates

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StevieWonderMk2 said:
Wait what? I remember the original reviews praising the game for it's polish and balance. So how the hell is it half finished and broken?
Have you tried playing the console version? You can still place turrets outside the map in some areas. It still has several glitches and none of the updates that the PC version got.
 

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I thought that comic was really quite good, actually!

"Talking... Friendship is even worse than I thought..."
 

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StevieWonderMk2 said:
Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait what? I remember the original reviews praising the game for it's polish and balance. So how the hell is it half finished and broken?
Did you ever play it on 360 when it came out? The netcode was awful, everything was unbearably laggy. There were so many glitches and bugs that every single game (and i mean every single one) would have someone outside the map or skywalking. People would mod it so on the off chance you founf a playable one, it would likely have zero gravity and an invincible, no clipping scout killing everything. Oh, and the demoman had 6 pipebombs in one clip that could explode on impact even after bouncing. There was no point in playing anything but demoman, unless you were skywalking in which case play engineer.

I knew I shouldn't have done this. Every single time I say anything negative about Valve on this forum people eat me. Just have a look round at some of the posts here and you'll understand.

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Rusty Bucket said:
The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free.
Valve has no interest in overcoming.
And there we have it. They don't care. Maybe I was a little harsh, but it's hard not to get frustrated after being lied to consistently and ignored very very thoroughly.
 

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man why can't valve take all their resources and stop making updates, new games and expansions and just bring out half-life ep3. i die on the inside...yup now i'm a zombie...
 

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I saw this, loved it

HOWEVER, about those sound files...

Anyone who played TF2 after the most recent update has probably noticed that ALL THEY DO is replace the standard Victory/Time/Point/Intel/Defeat Administrator sounds as they play, stuff like "5 Minutes left in the mission" turns into "5 minutes left until the Friendship ends!" and such things

At least I got that a few times while playing Payload with a Friend on the enemy team (though it was simply Payload)
 

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swaki said:
first the spy, then the demoman, why do valve hate us engineers so much?

oh well hopefully the overflow will only last a couple of weeks like the last one.
Yeah what the hell, I'm tired of all my poor sentries dying!!!
 

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I can't wait 'till I get my new computer. Damn updates causing fucking issues with my laptop (mega lag).
 

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Over_Krill said:
The Kangaroo said:
Over_Krill said:
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
Its the fact that they would basically have to host what would be thousands of players at once
Microsoft does not host games you do not Microsoft and you pay for Xbox live i do not pay for steam so i do not know what you are trying to say.
I was under the impression that Microsoft had to deal with he thousands upon thousands of people who would download and they wouldn't make any money from it
 

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Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait, whoah.

I'm not sure I've ever played a more polished and balanced, AND, quite frankly perfect online shooter in my life.

Let me encourage you to return to reality.
 

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Hiphophippo said:
Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait, whoah.

I'm not sure I've ever played a more polished and balanced, AND, quite frankly perfect online shooter in my life.

Let me encourage you to return to reality.
I would agree with the assertion that it is thoroughly broken and unfinished and Valve are a bunch of assholes for it (for the xbox) IF, AND ONLY IF, it was released alone, but hell, it was part of a FUCKING GIANT COMBO PACK that STILL would have been a great deal if it wasn't included at all, if you are that annoyed, get it for PC, and yes, blame Microsoft, because if they can release it for the PC, the only possible reason they can't just adapt most of that code over with minimal effort is because of XBL policies.
 

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The Kangaroo said:
Over_Krill said:
The Kangaroo said:
Over_Krill said:
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
Its the fact that they would basically have to host what would be thousands of players at once
Microsoft does not host games you do not Microsoft and you pay for Xbox live i do not pay for steam so i do not know what you are trying to say.
I was under the impression that Microsoft had to deal with he thousands upon thousands of people who would download and they wouldn't make any money from it
Microsoft makes you pay to play on line they would not lose any money thats for sure and valve release them for free and you do not have to pay for steam its just greed and nothing else why are you trying to defend Microsoft.
 

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danpascooch said:
Hiphophippo said:
Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait, whoah.

I'm not sure I've ever played a more polished and balanced, AND, quite frankly perfect online shooter in my life.

Let me encourage you to return to reality.
I would agree with the assertion that it is thoroughly broken and unfinished and Valve are a bunch of assholes for it (for the xbox) IF, AND ONLY IF, it was released alone, but hell, it was part of a FUCKING GIANT COMBO PACK that STILL would have been a great deal if it wasn't included at all, if you are that annoyed, get it for PC, and yes, blame Microsoft, because if they can release it for the PC, the only possible reason they can't just adapt most of that code over with minimal effort is because of XBL policies.
Oh, we're mad because of the console version of the game? Yea, I've got that too but it's such intense representation of PC's being better. (opinion of course)

Obviously I spend my time on the PC version.
 

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Wow I wish they would update the 360 version....oh and release Half-life 2 episode 3....
 

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This looks like a good update and hey maybe administrator will be the new class
 

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Over_Krill said:
Microsoft makes you pay to play on line they would not lose any money thats for sure and valve release them for free and you do not have to pay for steam its just greed and nothing else why are you trying to defend Microsoft.
All I am trying to do is to try and prevent everyone painting Microsoft with the greed brush and may I remind everyone that Valve has released paid DLC to Portal and L4D so why not TF2?
 

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The Kangaroo said:
Over_Krill said:
Microsoft makes you pay to play on line they would not lose any money thats for sure and valve release them for free and you do not have to pay for steam its just greed and nothing else why are you trying to defend Microsoft.
All I am trying to do is to try and prevent everyone painting Microsoft with the greed brush and may I remind everyone that Valve has released paid DLC to Portal and L4D so why not TF2?
Because portal is a single player game, and if you had to pay for online content that gives you advantages over other players, it's grossly unfair.

And no map packs do not offer advantages
 

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If Valve released each individual update on XBL, Microsoft would charge money for every update A la Crash Course. Meaning Valve can either release all the updates at once on the X Box, and get accused of taking forever, and not properly supporting the game in the meanwhile, or they can be forced to charge for every update, and get accused of Nickle and Dimeing its customers. There's no pleasing some people.

A lot of people also complain that they released he game on X Box without a sufficient amount of content. Oh yeah totally. You only got TF2 with a limited number of maps. And Portal. And Half Life 2. And Episode 1. And episode 2. In a single game. Yeah, that complaint doesn't really hold water. It simply means that Console buyers got great deal instead of an unbelievably fantastic deal, and when Valve tried to update it, Microsoft shut them down. Yes, TF2 is better on PC, but console players were hardly hosed. Its just that on different platforms, Valve has to play by the less consumer friendly rules of those respective platforms. Its a lesson that Valve has learned, and are trying to fix, in the meantime they still have supplied a great product. Why does every criticism, especially of things that a lot of people like, have to be a massive accusation of evil cooperation exploitation? Valve did a good job with room for improvement, and are working on it. You can't ask for any more ten that.