Valve Teases TF2 Demoman and Soldier Updates

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Valve Teases TF2 Demoman and Soldier Updates



If this five-page comic published by Valve is any indication, the next Team Fortress 2 classes to see overhauls will be the Soldier and the Demoman - and the update will happen very, very soon.

Even the most ardent Valve fanboy in our audience can admit that there are things that the PC developer doesn't do very well, like sticking to release schedules for games that aren't Left 4 Dead 2. On the other hand, there are things that Valve does exceptionally well, like teaser announcements.

It's been the better part of a year since the last Team Fortress 2 class update - the Sniper and Spy faced off back in May - and naturally, fans of the game have been getting antsy for more, with some even "The Administrator" [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/95092-Team-Fortress-2-The-Fake-Engineer-Update] has members of the game's community all a-bustle.

In "The Administrator," we see the game's announcer - finally revealed to be playing both sides of the war - overseeing the RED and BLU teams as they fight their endless battle. Her aide interrupts her, however, with troublesome news: Having met at a projectile weapons expo, the RED Demoman and BLU Soldier have become fast friends. Worried that the two will discuss work and find out that they're both fighting for the same people, the Administrator calls in an emergency order to spark some "healthy competition" between the two to destroy their friendship once and for all.

It's pretty hard to interpret this as anything but an impending update for the Soldier and Demoman classes, and given that yesterday's reveal [http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3219] contained a link to the comic with the phrase "Friendship ends in one day," it's likely that we'll start seeing the first goodies from the update ... sometime today, actually.

Interestingly enough, fans discovered new sound files in what appeared to be an otherwise normal update to the game on Monday that have the Administrator berating both sides of the war [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9uvQ_k8gqs], suggesting that there may in fact be a new game mode coming in which RED and BLU work together to take down their mastermind overlords ... which would be strange, to say the least.

Personally, I'm a happy TF2-er, because the Soldier and Demoman are both my classes of choice. People who play the Engineer have cause to worry, though - not only is the Engineer the one remaining class without updates of his own, but an overflow of Soldiers and Demomen means that the guy's poor Sentries aren't going to have very long lifespans once the update hits.

Stay tuned.

(Thanks, Assassinator and GothmogII)

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Really? Soldier and demoman? Those are the most OP classes in TF2. Since it's only those 2 and engineer left, I think the engineer should have been done first. But I guess it's good that they're updating.
 

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Oh ho, Valve, I think I see what you're doing there. I'm thinking that only one will get the update, maybe the one that gets the most kills, or dies the most, or something like that.

Sneaky Valve, sneaky.
 
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oppp7 said:
Really? Soldier and demoman? Those are the most OP classes in TF2.
This is what a lot of us are hoping for. If Valve set the soldier and demoman against each other, the poor old Heavy and Engie are gonna get some of their life back.
 

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'Healthy competition' eh? Maybe a new projectile weapon? Well the two met at a projectile weapons expo, maybe she'll give them a nice shiny weapon to fight over.
 

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So pumped for a new demoman. TF2 is just doing to be solid explosions for about 2 weeks straight.
 

John Funk

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Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
 

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Woohoo, I'm named in a news article. I feel famous now.

Anyway, ontopic, I was really waiting for this update. Soldier kind of fell in disuse, and I just could never properly learn Demoman. Maybe this update will change that. This will also mean that the Engineer will have an update of his own. Nothing really that bad of course, but I expected Valve to come with some Destruction (Soldier + Demoman) vs Construction (Engineer, duh) update. Oh well, we'll just have to wait for a little longer for some Engineer toys, although Valve is known for their surprises.

But there is still 1 big question for me left about this update:
Will we finally see a Meet the Medic video? Or *gasp* maybe a Meet the Pyro video?
 

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This

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EPIC

I cannot wait. And yes, we all knew the Announcer looked like that, it was so inherent in her voice
 

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Finally my favourite class the DEmoman willh ave new toys, I'm tired of those jarateing snipers.
 

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Red and blu working together? Sounds awesome.

I however am crying inside because the overflow of soldiers and demomans spells doom for my sentries.
 

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Sweet.

That sound bite video makes it seem like they'll be adding a new twist to the existing gamemodes, rather than a new gametype entirely.

And now, as is customary in anything involving Valve, how 'bout that Episode 3, hm?
 

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I saw it earlier today. As for new sound files, it's probably just a joke.
 

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first the spy, then the demoman, why do valve hate us engineers so much?

oh well hopefully the overflow will only last a couple of weeks like the last one.
 

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Perhaps their new common enemy is an engineer weapon? Just throwing it out there.
Anyway, WOOOOOO UPDATE OMIGOD!!1!!!111!
ahem...
Edit: I heard the announcer say "Friendship ends in 10 seconds!" yesterday. Is that a new sound file or have I just not been paying attention?
 

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wow, that sound clip video is strange. I can't imagine what kind of gameplay innovation that's signifying, other than team cooperation. Maybe some temporary switch that will reward one of the team's soldiers/demomen points for team kills??
 

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I'm actually not so sure that this is a teaser for class updates, but rather for some new gameplay mechanic. Especially given the new Announcer sounds in the latest update.

Edit: Ooh. Should have read the article all the way through. I'm still rather sceptic about the class updates, tough.
 

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I have a different theory...

First off, with the Sniper and Spy update, I developed a theory about what Valve were doing. Instead of releasing an update and having everyone swarm the class, they released 2 class updates which directly compete with each other. So you had Snipers being taken out by Spys, Spys in the hidden places and Snipers in the open, and a general equilibrium between the 2, so other classes could actually enjoy themselves. Because of this, I think the next class update would be Engineer/Demoman. It would prevent the millions of turrets, and give the many Demomen something to keep them occupied. As for this update, well I expect a new game mode. Something that involves friendship between both sides, and fighting the administrator. That would explain why there's all those sound files in the game itself.
 

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cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Thats why I brought a PC, you should do the same!
 
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300lb. Samoan said:
wow, that sound clip video is strange.
I know it can't just be me that keeps expecting the Announcer to say something along the lines of "You've been a very naughty boy and deserve..."

That would make the announcer Anne Robinson, and that makes ALL kinds of sense.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Demoman?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/The-Escapist-Team-Fortress-2-Group-PC
We're all going haywire about it.

I call for an Escapist update event game. One side Soldiers and the other Demos?
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
300lb. Samoan said:
wow, that sound clip video is strange.
I know it can't just be me that keeps expecting the Announcer to say something along the lines of "You've been a very naughty boy and deserve..."

That would make the announcer Anne Robinson, and that makes ALL kinds of sense.
Would make even more sense if the Announcer were situated on Satellite 5.
 

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Update the Xbox version already Valve. At least to cover the glitchers to make it playable for now then maybe re-release the game with all the included class updates.

As for the PC class update I usually leech some playing time off my friends' PC and I usually play Engie... I'm gonna need that hardhat for the foreseeable future.
 

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cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
Demoman?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/The-Escapist-Team-Fortress-2-Group-PC
That's naughty.

I did lol though. And it's about bloody time too that the Demo got some love.
 

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Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
 
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Rusty Bucket said:
The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Do you even visit the real world anymore?
 

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Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
No how can this not be Microsoft's fault valve want to fix the game but Microsoft in there infinite greed want to charge people so valve can fix the game it is Microsoft's not valve fault. PC still has a strong user base 360 does not Microsoft controls the 360 no updates valve controls PC and we get updates all the time and for free.

(finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has.) It has they are called patches when a game is made that is broken you should fix it for free you are saying that we should pay for patches.
 

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Over_Krill said:
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
Its the fact that they would basically have to host what would be thousands of players at once
 

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Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait what? I remember the original reviews praising the game for it's polish and balance. So how the hell is it half finished and broken?
 

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Now we just need the Engineer and the updates will be released for 360! Only problem is, no one plays it anymore so Valve have really missed their chance there. I agree with Valve's policy of releasing all DLC at once to save people money but I would have honestly preferred it if they had released each update individually or at least released it all in 2 updates so we could've had the first 4 or 5 classes already. I really should get a gaming PC.
 

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Rusty Bucket said:
The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free.
That's the standard approach for PC game development nowadays. Although I strongly doubt that TF2 was ever "half finished and broken", it just didn't balance out all the classes PERFECTLY and had a deficiency of maps. The same game was released on PC to critical acclaim, and it only got better and better from there. Yes, Valve should've planned ahead for Microsoft's policies, but notice that where Microsoft is there's failure and where Microsoft isn't there's success. I doubt Valve is the weak link in this. Microsoft are providing a barrier that Valve has no interest in overcoming.
 

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The Kangaroo said:
Over_Krill said:
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
Its the fact that they would basically have to host what would be thousands of players at once
Microsoft does not host games you do not Microsoft and you pay for Xbox live i do not pay for steam so i do not know what you are trying to say.
 

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cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
That's why I traded in my copy for the computer version.
 

oppp7

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Wait... if they're going to team up... could that mean they're making a genuine plot for TF2?
 

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Now that would be cool. If both sides went up against a tougher enemy! And even the old employeers! I would love to see that!
 

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Wait what? I remember the original reviews praising the game for it's polish and balance. So how the hell is it half finished and broken?
Have you tried playing the console version? You can still place turrets outside the map in some areas. It still has several glitches and none of the updates that the PC version got.
 

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I thought that comic was really quite good, actually!

"Talking... Friendship is even worse than I thought..."
 

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StevieWonderMk2 said:
Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait what? I remember the original reviews praising the game for it's polish and balance. So how the hell is it half finished and broken?
Did you ever play it on 360 when it came out? The netcode was awful, everything was unbearably laggy. There were so many glitches and bugs that every single game (and i mean every single one) would have someone outside the map or skywalking. People would mod it so on the off chance you founf a playable one, it would likely have zero gravity and an invincible, no clipping scout killing everything. Oh, and the demoman had 6 pipebombs in one clip that could explode on impact even after bouncing. There was no point in playing anything but demoman, unless you were skywalking in which case play engineer.

I knew I shouldn't have done this. Every single time I say anything negative about Valve on this forum people eat me. Just have a look round at some of the posts here and you'll understand.

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BobisOnlyBob said:
Rusty Bucket said:
The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free.
Valve has no interest in overcoming.
And there we have it. They don't care. Maybe I was a little harsh, but it's hard not to get frustrated after being lied to consistently and ignored very very thoroughly.
 

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man why can't valve take all their resources and stop making updates, new games and expansions and just bring out half-life ep3. i die on the inside...yup now i'm a zombie...
 

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I saw this, loved it

HOWEVER, about those sound files...

Anyone who played TF2 after the most recent update has probably noticed that ALL THEY DO is replace the standard Victory/Time/Point/Intel/Defeat Administrator sounds as they play, stuff like "5 Minutes left in the mission" turns into "5 minutes left until the Friendship ends!" and such things

At least I got that a few times while playing Payload with a Friend on the enemy team (though it was simply Payload)
 

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swaki said:
first the spy, then the demoman, why do valve hate us engineers so much?

oh well hopefully the overflow will only last a couple of weeks like the last one.
Yeah what the hell, I'm tired of all my poor sentries dying!!!
 

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I can't wait 'till I get my new computer. Damn updates causing fucking issues with my laptop (mega lag).
 

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Over_Krill said:
The Kangaroo said:
Over_Krill said:
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
Its the fact that they would basically have to host what would be thousands of players at once
Microsoft does not host games you do not Microsoft and you pay for Xbox live i do not pay for steam so i do not know what you are trying to say.
I was under the impression that Microsoft had to deal with he thousands upon thousands of people who would download and they wouldn't make any money from it
 

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Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait, whoah.

I'm not sure I've ever played a more polished and balanced, AND, quite frankly perfect online shooter in my life.

Let me encourage you to return to reality.
 

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Hiphophippo said:
Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait, whoah.

I'm not sure I've ever played a more polished and balanced, AND, quite frankly perfect online shooter in my life.

Let me encourage you to return to reality.
I would agree with the assertion that it is thoroughly broken and unfinished and Valve are a bunch of assholes for it (for the xbox) IF, AND ONLY IF, it was released alone, but hell, it was part of a FUCKING GIANT COMBO PACK that STILL would have been a great deal if it wasn't included at all, if you are that annoyed, get it for PC, and yes, blame Microsoft, because if they can release it for the PC, the only possible reason they can't just adapt most of that code over with minimal effort is because of XBL policies.
 

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The Kangaroo said:
Over_Krill said:
The Kangaroo said:
Over_Krill said:
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
Its the fact that they would basically have to host what would be thousands of players at once
Microsoft does not host games you do not Microsoft and you pay for Xbox live i do not pay for steam so i do not know what you are trying to say.
I was under the impression that Microsoft had to deal with he thousands upon thousands of people who would download and they wouldn't make any money from it
Microsoft makes you pay to play on line they would not lose any money thats for sure and valve release them for free and you do not have to pay for steam its just greed and nothing else why are you trying to defend Microsoft.
 

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danpascooch said:
Hiphophippo said:
Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait, whoah.

I'm not sure I've ever played a more polished and balanced, AND, quite frankly perfect online shooter in my life.

Let me encourage you to return to reality.
I would agree with the assertion that it is thoroughly broken and unfinished and Valve are a bunch of assholes for it (for the xbox) IF, AND ONLY IF, it was released alone, but hell, it was part of a FUCKING GIANT COMBO PACK that STILL would have been a great deal if it wasn't included at all, if you are that annoyed, get it for PC, and yes, blame Microsoft, because if they can release it for the PC, the only possible reason they can't just adapt most of that code over with minimal effort is because of XBL policies.
Oh, we're mad because of the console version of the game? Yea, I've got that too but it's such intense representation of PC's being better. (opinion of course)

Obviously I spend my time on the PC version.
 

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Wow I wish they would update the 360 version....oh and release Half-life 2 episode 3....
 

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This looks like a good update and hey maybe administrator will be the new class
 

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Over_Krill said:
Microsoft makes you pay to play on line they would not lose any money thats for sure and valve release them for free and you do not have to pay for steam its just greed and nothing else why are you trying to defend Microsoft.
All I am trying to do is to try and prevent everyone painting Microsoft with the greed brush and may I remind everyone that Valve has released paid DLC to Portal and L4D so why not TF2?
 

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The Kangaroo said:
Over_Krill said:
Microsoft makes you pay to play on line they would not lose any money thats for sure and valve release them for free and you do not have to pay for steam its just greed and nothing else why are you trying to defend Microsoft.
All I am trying to do is to try and prevent everyone painting Microsoft with the greed brush and may I remind everyone that Valve has released paid DLC to Portal and L4D so why not TF2?
Because portal is a single player game, and if you had to pay for online content that gives you advantages over other players, it's grossly unfair.

And no map packs do not offer advantages
 

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If Valve released each individual update on XBL, Microsoft would charge money for every update A la Crash Course. Meaning Valve can either release all the updates at once on the X Box, and get accused of taking forever, and not properly supporting the game in the meanwhile, or they can be forced to charge for every update, and get accused of Nickle and Dimeing its customers. There's no pleasing some people.

A lot of people also complain that they released he game on X Box without a sufficient amount of content. Oh yeah totally. You only got TF2 with a limited number of maps. And Portal. And Half Life 2. And Episode 1. And episode 2. In a single game. Yeah, that complaint doesn't really hold water. It simply means that Console buyers got great deal instead of an unbelievably fantastic deal, and when Valve tried to update it, Microsoft shut them down. Yes, TF2 is better on PC, but console players were hardly hosed. Its just that on different platforms, Valve has to play by the less consumer friendly rules of those respective platforms. Its a lesson that Valve has learned, and are trying to fix, in the meantime they still have supplied a great product. Why does every criticism, especially of things that a lot of people like, have to be a massive accusation of evil cooperation exploitation? Valve did a good job with room for improvement, and are working on it. You can't ask for any more ten that.
 

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The Kangaroo said:
Over_Krill said:
Microsoft makes you pay to play on line they would not lose any money thats for sure and valve release them for free and you do not have to pay for steam its just greed and nothing else why are you trying to defend Microsoft.
All I am trying to do is to try and prevent everyone painting Microsoft with the greed brush and may I remind everyone that Valve has released paid DLC to Portal and L4D so why not TF2?
Becauese the updates are large and the 360 has a small hard drive and the over all weapon up dates. The updates have not finished they are more like mirco updates content wise not large ones.


I think Microsoft do a good enough effort to paint them selves with the greed brush they do not need much help in that area.

What elvor0 said is the main reason
 

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My stupid theory:

Engineer gets updated instead of Soldier and Demoman. The competition is to see who can blow up the most engineer buildings during the first few days of the update. Whoever blows up the most will be updated next. This will encourage players to keep playing as Soldier and Demoman to counter the large number of Engineers this update will create.
 

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Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Are you done pulling shit out of your ass? Valve thinks it's wrong to make the console players pay for an update. They only did it for Left 4 Dead to shut up the dipshits. Also, the game wasn't "half finished". All games have glitches. Stop whining. The game is dead because idiots who can't last 10 seconds without throwing a grenade, or using an assault rifle quit. The game never got one update on the PS3, and the PS3 still has a pretty good community. Learn before you post.
OT: I can't wait. This is gonna be an awesome update. I'm glad I bought it for the PC. The PS3 version was fun, but it never got any updates, and I think keyboard and mouse is just better for the game.
Rusty Bucket said:
StevieWonderMk2 said:
Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait what? I remember the original reviews praising the game for it's polish and balance. So how the hell is it half finished and broken?
Did you ever play it on 360 when it came out? The netcode was awful, everything was unbearably laggy. There were so many glitches and bugs that every single game (and i mean every single one) would have someone outside the map or skywalking. People would mod it so on the off chance you founf a playable one, it would likely have zero gravity and an invincible, no clipping scout killing everything. Oh, and the demoman had 6 pipebombs in one clip that could explode on impact even after bouncing. There was no point in playing anything but demoman, unless you were skywalking in which case play engineer.

I knew I shouldn't have done this. Every single time I say anything negative about Valve on this forum people eat me. Just have a look round at some of the posts here and you'll understand.

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BobisOnlyBob said:
Rusty Bucket said:
The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free.
Valve has no interest in overcoming.
And there we have it. They don't care. Maybe I was a little harsh, but it's hard not to get frustrated after being lied to consistently and ignored very very thoroughly.
... The Demoman has that on the PC. It's not just the 360. You honestly don't know what you are talking about.
 

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at one point the announcer has say "this was a triumph". it is maditory
 

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DeadlyYellow said:
I'm more interested in another "Meet the" movie.
I made a bet that if the Next Meet The Team movie is The Pyro that I would buy Modern Warfare 2 for the full 60 dollars (Instead of waiting for a sale like planned), So I'm hoping for the Medic.

Although it's probably going to be medic, because meet the pyro would be infeasible...

Right?...RIGHT?...I may have made the wrong bet.
 

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I just got my 'fro ready and groomed for this.

+ My airblast is going to be happy to throw all the nades and rockets back at you achievement whores.
 

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BOOO! Valve hates college students because they keep making this awesome game updates but my dorm's internet is too slow (30k, if you can believe it) to play online games!

(sulks)
 

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Pielikey said:
DeadlyYellow said:
I'm more interested in another "Meet the" movie.
I made a bet that if the Next Meet The Team movie is The Pyro that I would buy Modern Warfare 2 for the full 60 dollars (Instead of waiting for a sale like planned), So I'm hoping for the Medic.

Although it's probably going to be medic, because meet the pyro would be infeasible...

Right?...RIGHT?...I may have made the wrong bet.
It would be a fairly safe presumption that they would save the pyro for last. Why else would they keep playing the mystery out?
 

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I can't really see how they are going to replace the rocket launcher and both of the demoman's weapons with something that is fair and not broken. Everything else I can see getting updated.
 

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On the subject of the possible new game-mode suggested by the voice clips, I'm thinking that they may try and do something similar to the UT3 gametype betrayal. Betrayal is basically an instagib free for all, with players randomly teamed with another player: the secondary fire on their gun kills their team-mate. Each kill a member of the team makes gets added to a pot, and this pot will keep growing as long as the team keeps working together. If you kill your team-mate you get all the points in the pot. However, if your team-mate then kills you again within the next 30 seconds he gets a large number of points. The trick therefore is to wait long enough to get a good number of kills in the pot, because if you kill your team-mate too early there;s a chance you'll gift him a lot more points than you made by allowing him to get revenge.

The summary of this is basically that I think Valve may be introducing a free-for-all game in which you are randomly teamed with another player, can rack up points together, but can also betray your team-mate to gain the points you've gained together. Of course, I could be completely wrong.
 

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Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait a minute... wait a minute... just... just wait.

Are you actually saying that you would RATHER pay for updates (be they fixes, or extra content)? You're actually berating Valve for wanting to give people content for free? And defending Microsoft because they insist on finding a way to make a profit on something that Valve would rather be a free service?

Honestly, I have never seen such an asinine butt-kissing before. You may as well just lay yourself at Bill Gates' front door so he can wipe his feet on your face when he gets home.
 

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WhiteTigerShiro said:
Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait a minute... wait a minute... just... just wait.

Are you actually saying that you would RATHER pay for updates (be they fixes, or extra content)? You're actually berating Valve for wanting to give people content for free? And defending Microsoft because they insist on finding a way to make a profit on something that Valve would rather be a free service?

Honestly, I have never seen such an asinine butt-kissing before. You may as well just lay yourself at Bill Gates' front door so he can wipe his feet on your face when he gets home.
Jesus christ, do you have any idea what's happening? I don't entirely agree with Microsoft's business model, but that's tough, that's how it is. Valve have said they don't want to charge, which is great, but they have to, again, that's the way the world works. Instead, they've decided not to give them to us at all. They've lied to us more than once and have now just decided to ignore s completely. Maybe I was a bit harsh, but I'm frustrated at the entire thing, and it annoys me when people dump the entire thing at Microsoft's feet, as though they're purposefully denying us the updates, just out of spite. If the updates aren't here, it's because Valve haven't released them, not because MS are being dicks.

And fucking hell, will people stop attacking me for this? I say one negative thing about Valve and I get fucking crucified by half this damn community. This has happened before, apparently Valve are the second fucking coming of christ or something. They are not perfect. At all. But apparently you're not allowed to suggest that about this site's lord and master.
 

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Rusty Bucket said:
WhiteTigerShiro said:
Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait a minute... wait a minute... just... just wait.

Are you actually saying that you would RATHER pay for updates (be they fixes, or extra content)? You're actually berating Valve for wanting to give people content for free? And defending Microsoft because they insist on finding a way to make a profit on something that Valve would rather be a free service?

Honestly, I have never seen such an asinine butt-kissing before. You may as well just lay yourself at Bill Gates' front door so he can wipe his feet on your face when he gets home.
Jesus christ, do you have any idea what's happening? I don't entirely agree with Microsoft's business model, but that's tough, that's how it is. Valve have said they don't want to charge, which is great, but they have to, again, that's the way the world works. Instead, they've decided not to give them to us at all. They've lied to us more than once and have now just decided to ignore s completely. Maybe I was a bit harsh, but I'm frustrated at the entire thing, and it annoys me when people dump the entire thing at Microsoft's feet, as though they're purposefully denying us the updates, just out of spite. If the updates aren't here, it's because Valve haven't released them, not because MS are being dicks.

And fucking hell, will people stop attacking me for this? I say one negative thing about Valve and I get fucking crucified by half this damn community. This has happened before, apparently Valve are the second fucking coming of christ or something. They are not perfect. At all. But apparently you're not allowed to suggest that about this site's lord and master.

I can understand where this guy is coming from. It's frustrating to see PC gamers getting all of these updates while they get none. You can blame the whole thing on Microsoft, but are they really at fault? They are a business trying to make money, and providing these updates for free would result in them losing money. It's nice that Valve wants to give 360 players free content, but at this point it's clear that Microsoft won't budge. Meanwhile Valve continues to keep their 360 fans in the dark by withholding the content. I say both companies are screwing over the consumer in this situation.

WinkyTheGreat said:
I'd rather they tease Half Life 2 Episode 3...
Just because it's a topic about a Valve game doesn't mean you should bring up Episode 3. It's completely unnecessary.
 

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Internet Kraken said:
Rusty Bucket said:
WhiteTigerShiro said:
Rusty Bucket said:
Over_Krill said:
cball11 said:
Well, son of a *****. This is gonna be sweeeeeet.

Oh wait, no it won't, because XLIVE DOESN'T GET THE FUCKING UPDATES.

God DAMMIT, I hate that.
Blame Microsoft not valve. Valve want to release them for free but Microsoft does not.
Shame on you Microsoft you should give the people on xbox live the updates.
No, for the love of god no. This is not Microsoft's fault. Valve are well aware (or should be) about MS's policies about DLC and updates. No other developer had problems with it, just Valve. The fact is that Valve released a half finished and thoroughly broken game that frankly shouldn't have made it through certification, and now they want to finish it for free. It doesn't work like that, it never has. And to be honest, the game is pretty much dead thanks to Valve totally ignoring it, so there's no way to realease the updates without splitting the already tiny player base and ruining the game even more.
Wait a minute... wait a minute... just... just wait.

Are you actually saying that you would RATHER pay for updates (be they fixes, or extra content)? You're actually berating Valve for wanting to give people content for free? And defending Microsoft because they insist on finding a way to make a profit on something that Valve would rather be a free service?

Honestly, I have never seen such an asinine butt-kissing before. You may as well just lay yourself at Bill Gates' front door so he can wipe his feet on your face when he gets home.
Jesus christ, do you have any idea what's happening? I don't entirely agree with Microsoft's business model, but that's tough, that's how it is. Valve have said they don't want to charge, which is great, but they have to, again, that's the way the world works. Instead, they've decided not to give them to us at all. They've lied to us more than once and have now just decided to ignore s completely. Maybe I was a bit harsh, but I'm frustrated at the entire thing, and it annoys me when people dump the entire thing at Microsoft's feet, as though they're purposefully denying us the updates, just out of spite. If the updates aren't here, it's because Valve haven't released them, not because MS are being dicks.

And fucking hell, will people stop attacking me for this? I say one negative thing about Valve and I get fucking crucified by half this damn community. This has happened before, apparently Valve are the second fucking coming of christ or something. They are not perfect. At all. But apparently you're not allowed to suggest that about this site's lord and master.

I can understand where this guy is coming from. It's frustrating to see PC gamers getting all of these updates while they get none. You can blame the whole thing on Microsoft, but are they really at fault? They are a business trying to make money, and providing these updates for free would result in them losing money. It's nice that Valve wants to give 360 players free content, but at this point it's clear that Microsoft won't budge. Meanwhile Valve continues to keep their 360 fans in the dark by withholding the content. I say both companies are screwing over the consumer in this situation.
Holy crap, thankyou. Wasn't expecting that, I'll admit. I know I could have phrased my original post a hell of a lot more clearly, but it's difficult to stay calm in the face of this. All I (and a lot of the 360 community) want is a blog post. Just one. Even if it's just a paragraph long. All it needs to say is 'Sorry the 360 updates are taking so long, we know it's annoying, but we are working on them'. That's it. Either that or tell us they aren't coming, but please, for the love of god stop making hats and acknowledge us!
 

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Holy crap, thankyou. Wasn't expecting that, I'll admit. I know I could have phrased my original post a hell of a lot more clearly, but it's difficult to stay calm in the face of this. All I (and a lot of the 360 community) want is a blog post. Just one. Even if it's just a paragraph long. All it needs to say is 'Sorry the 360 updates are taking so long, we know it's annoying, but we are working on them'. That's it. Either that or tell us they aren't coming, but please, for the love of god stop making hats and acknowledge us!
They did acknowledge you [http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/54351]. I don't think they have to keep making an announcement saying "we're going to get this done as soon as we feel it's worth the cost", because really, if I were Valve, I would want to wait until all the class updates are finished or at the very least enough of them to justify it. Also the problem lies in TF2's main sales coming from the PC versions less-so than the console. I'm not saying they are right or wrong in what they're doing but I am saying that if they kept having to repeat "when we feel it's worth the cost", they'd probably just aggravate more 360 players. Sort of a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation.

On the other hand that was over a year ago and they didn't have any update then, so maybe they do need to answer for that.
 

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I may just have TF2 for the Xbox, but Valve do these things so well, I am really interested.
 

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SPY SAPPIN MAH UPDATE!!!

I want Engineer update, not lousy soldier and demoman, feh. Instead of the wrench I want a tazer, a dispenser that dishes out nuclear landmines, a laser turret that repairs itself, an invisible teleporter and a gun that shoots homing-sharks.

That'll be all.
 

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Whoa holy shit, and I thought their next update would be more hats!

And hey Tom, Valve did update the 360 version recently! They added the incredible class limits and the 2 week long fix to modding! Hooray! Don't forget they left in all the glitches just for funsies!
 

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Really? Soldier and demoman? Those are the most OP classes in TF2. Since it's only those 2 and engineer left, I think the engineer should have been done first. But I guess it's good that they're updating.
Overpowered?

They do what they were designed to do, blow things up.
 

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UPDATE ANNOUNCEMENT (CantFakeTheFunk, better update that article!)

More details are released! As you can read right here on the TF2 website [http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=3225], we have indeed a Demoman and Soldier update coming, but with a twist. There will be a 7th unlock, but only one class will get it. So either pick Demoman or Soldier, and kill as many of the opposite class as possible this week. Whoever gets the most kills gets the 7th unlock. I love you Valve, I really do.
 

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Lukeydoodly said:
Whoa holy shit, and I thought their next update would be more hats!

And hey Tom, Valve did update the 360 version recently! They added the incredible class limits and the 2 week long fix to modding! Hooray! Don't forget they left in all the glitches just for funsies!
Score! I love the glitches, they add to the unpredicatbility. Like crits. Apparently random chance is fun in skill based shooters these days. That's probably why the 360 netcode is so bad, it encourages that deliciously random lag.
 

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Now when I try playing as enginner my stuff is destroyed by a bunch of soilders or demos very quickly. So many explosions...so many explosions...I can still hear the cries of my sentrys...the horror the horror.