Valve, why are they loved?
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Steam is good but not awesome or Revolutional. Steam is still DRM and DRM is bad because of the problems and potential problems that come with DRM. In a nutshell, it's Apple of all DRM which in itself is a kinda good and bad thing. simplification may seem good but it removes options.Vkmies said:
More often than not, you need to be on-line to go off-line. Origin can at least go off-line without having to go on-line.
Whether or not this is down to poor shitty coding is still up in air but it does raise questions why it hasn't been fixed.
Actually, Steam was revolutionary, before Steam, video game digital distribution was practically non-existent and if it did exist then it did a very poor job.mad825 said:
And the only DRM I have ever encountered using steam is that i'm required to input a 5 digit code that they e-mail to me every time I install Steam which is roughly once to twice a year; which isn't a a problem at all.
So let me get this straight, you're criticizing Valve for giving modders and small indie teams the chance to have their hardwork turned into a full fledged, top quality product?Orks da best said:
This thing you're complaining about is one of the reasons people love Valve. Valve tirelessly supports their modding community, and rightfully their community supports them back.
As for DotA2. Valve allowed Icefrog to retain full control over it. This is why Icefrog chose Valve instead of the dozen or so other game studios trying to hire him.
Valve tends to hire small teams or unestablished developers. EA doesn't "allow" companies to keep their logo on the games, EA exploits the name of once acclaimed studios, eg. Westwood.Orks da best said:
HL3 is nothing like Duke Forever. First of all, Valve has remained active and hasn't been draining funds from investors as 3D Realms did. Secondly, it really hasn't been that long since HL2E2.Orks da best said:
I don't know if you noticed but a ton of developers love Valve. Many indie devs have found incredible success thanks to Steam.Orks da best said:
The only example of "losing their titles to the valve beast" might be Turtle Rock Studios (l4d). Who are on good terms with Valve, were offer the opportunity to stay, they simply chose not to.
So here's the thing. You seem like you have absolutely no clue what you're talking -- this is why you'll get flamed. You seem to be doing little more than trying your best to go against the grain, all while being terribly uninformed on the issues you present.Orks da best said:
Another thread that fits the template: I don't like X, therefore nobody has any reason to like X!
I do have my opinion on VALVe and Steam (very positive ones), but I just don't want to contribute to discussion like this.
I do have my opinion on VALVe and Steam (very positive ones), but I just don't want to contribute to discussion like this.
I don't give a damn about motives
I do not see Valve as the Messiahs of the gaming industry, but I find them reliable. Good story, lack of cut-scenes, cheap prices. What's there not to like about them?
And when they brought the games in, Valve added their fantastic humour, made a great story and polished till it was awesome. They did not invent the idea, thats for sure, but they brought the ideas much further, than they would have gotten on their own.Rednog said:
I do not see Valve as the Messiahs of the gaming industry, but I find them reliable. Good story, lack of cut-scenes, cheap prices. What's there not to like about them?
The only company that may rival Valve for releasing their games in a better state and doing patch support for years, is Blizzard and Blizzard/activision make different problems to push them away from the top spot.
You may not like the type of games Valve make, but if other companies did half as much quality control as Valve, gamers had much less to complain about (except maybe the release dates for the terribly impatient).
Final consideration: loyalty. Most Escpapist members play games primarilly on the PC. While companies like Epic have openly abandoned the PC at one time or another and studios like Bioware have begun to cater to a different audience than the old D&D-loving fans, Valve may have branched out, but they also stuck with their FPS fans on the PC.
You may not like the type of games Valve make, but if other companies did half as much quality control as Valve, gamers had much less to complain about (except maybe the release dates for the terribly impatient).
Final consideration: loyalty. Most Escpapist members play games primarilly on the PC. While companies like Epic have openly abandoned the PC at one time or another and studios like Bioware have begun to cater to a different audience than the old D&D-loving fans, Valve may have branched out, but they also stuck with their FPS fans on the PC.
Good business savvy and strong PR. Easy as.
They appear approachable and friendly, and seem to genuinely mean it, and they take criticism in board and react to it, I mean look at their playtesting practices.
I would however take issue with anyone calling Half Life a "great story" - it's not finished yet. We don't have much of a story arc and we really have no idea what the hell is going on. But the games are fun and the characters are pretty compelling.
They appear approachable and friendly, and seem to genuinely mean it, and they take criticism in board and react to it, I mean look at their playtesting practices.
I would however take issue with anyone calling Half Life a "great story" - it's not finished yet. We don't have much of a story arc and we really have no idea what the hell is going on. But the games are fun and the characters are pretty compelling.
I'm not a Valve fan per se, I don't even like the Half-Life games, but I know they all are good games with great creative elements and near-flawless game design/craftsmanship.
because they use the carrot instead of the stick.
Honestly, seems to be the gist of it. Instead of blaming gamers for their own faults, forcing unwanted drm, deadlines and sales figures, destroying ip with mandates and asshattery, valve just rewards people. You want to support them because they reward you. Games for cheap. Convenient networking and friend storage. Being treated like a customer instead of a criminal.
The answer is simple. Why does valve get so much more love compared to companies like EA? because they are a better company. They aren't mired with outdated ideas of what they should get. They don't try to screw you out of every cent. And they support smaller guys too instead of eating them up and shitting out the bones.
Honestly, seems to be the gist of it. Instead of blaming gamers for their own faults, forcing unwanted drm, deadlines and sales figures, destroying ip with mandates and asshattery, valve just rewards people. You want to support them because they reward you. Games for cheap. Convenient networking and friend storage. Being treated like a customer instead of a criminal.
The answer is simple. Why does valve get so much more love compared to companies like EA? because they are a better company. They aren't mired with outdated ideas of what they should get. They don't try to screw you out of every cent. And they support smaller guys too instead of eating them up and shitting out the bones.
I love how incredibly vague your reason is here "Steam is still DRM and DRM is bad because of the problems and potential problems that come with DRM,". How about mentioning some of those problems?mad825 said:
Steam's DRM isn't the draconian sort we've seen Ubisoft and EA implement in the past.
Publisher's want DRM, Steam offers DRM that is relatively painless to user, the alternative is much worse. Moreover Valve has done one step better and used its DRM to implement features that players do want in their game.
I see what you're trying to do with the Apple comparison, but it fails pretty hard. What options exactly does Steam's DRM remove?
I own quite a few games on Steam, I've never encountered a time when I have to go online to play offline...mad825 said: