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Fat Man Spoon said:
HK_01 said:
I think they would have left the vault if things became too crazy down there.
You have to remember, there had just been a nuclear war. You couldn't just waltz out.
Good point....

But they had all kinds of crazy armor and such, wouldn't power armor also help against radiation? And why wouldn't they just have a couple of people guard the weapons and craft their own lock for it?
 

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Good point....

But they had all kinds of crazy armor and such, wouldn't power armor also help against radiation? And why wouldn't they just have a couple of people guard the weapons and craft their own lock for it?
It would, but they would have to take it off at some point.

And would you trust someone else with the entire stock of weapons?
 

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...the lone wanderer WAS pure...
Sadly not. Being born to wasteland parents means he would have had tiny mutations.
yes. realistically its most likely he would, but NOT everyone in the wasteland has genetic damage. The lone wanderer is supposed to be a-okay, and even if he wasnt, the enclave doesnt actually know he isnt from the vault. besides, the Wasteland Survival guide mutates you and yet eden STILL offers you a command.
 

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Totalitarian regime.

Overseer puts guards at the door to the weapons, and anyone who steps out of line is shot dead immediately.
 

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Fat Man Spoon said:
8-Bit_Jack said:
... the Wasteland Survival guide mutates you and yet eden STILL offers you a command.
Suggesting he doesn't care whether you're mutated or not.

Or just lazy devs.
I think Eden was just lying, as even if you didn't get any perks from mutation in the game you would still be the child of wastelanders, thus making you impure from the start.

Of course we will never know because the Brotherhood blew up Raven Rock. I miss the radio.
 

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Everyone dies...idiots with guns would kill everyone then themselves making the expierement to see what humans do with stockpiles of weapons complete
 

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least of all if you happened to fix teh reactor yerself before the DLC game out ,saw the pile of ash you became, and the ndownloaded broken steel later only to find you were A-Okay?
 

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People seem to assume that just cause it had enough armour and weapons to equip a small army that they would of all shot themselves. Nice assumption there, just assume that guns being available means everyone would turn into blood thirsty maniacs. The thing had no locking mechanism what so ever! That is the key why it failed. I envision either two things happening, both based on more sound logic then 'guns = mass murder:'

A) the vault was overwhelmed by numbers of refuges fleeing to the vaults. The lock is all that kept most of these hordes out after all and this one didn't have a lock. No matter how much ammo was stored in this vault it is far more likely they ran out trying to 'repel' the horde of refuges then the remanding survivors would swarm in, beat them to death with clubs and rocks and then be in the same boat the now dead vault dwellers where, having to defend a very limited supply of shelter and resources against outsiders.

B) Successful in holding back the horde there was nothing keeping people in, as the lock also provided that mechanism. This means many would of decided it was easy for them to just leave the vault, using the suits and arms to become some of the most dangerous men in the wastelands. Over time they where absorbed by groups such as the BOS, Enclave and other high tech organisations that survive out in the wilds. Groups whom could both interest them to join up as part of a more powerful society or been eliminated as these groups had enough arms to fight back against a handful of lone wolf, high tech, raiders.

Assuming they just sat around on their arses and shot at each other is pretty flawed reasoning.
 

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Fat Man Spoon said:
8-Bit_Jack said:
...the lone wanderer WAS pure...
Sadly not. Being born to wasteland parents means he would have had tiny mutations.
The Mutantions happen after birth and sense he was put in a vault ...
 

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Jinx_Dragon said:
People seem to assume that just cause it had enough armour and weapons to equip a small army that they would of all shot themselves. Nice assumption there, just assume that guns being available means everyone would turn into blood thirsty maniacs. The thing had no locking mechanism what so ever! That is the key why it failed. I envision either two things happening, both based on more sound logic then 'guns = mass murder:'

A) the vault was overwhelmed by numbers of refuges fleeing to the vaults. The lock is all that kept most of these hordes out after all and this one didn't have a lock. No matter how much ammo was stored in this vault it is far more likely they ran out trying to 'repel' the horde of refuges then the remanding survivors would swarm in, beat them to death with clubs and rocks and then be in the same boat the now dead vault dwellers where, having to defend a very limited supply of shelter and resources against outsiders.

B) Successful in holding back the horde there was nothing keeping people in, as the lock also provided that mechanism. This means many would of decided it was easy for them to just leave the vault, using the suits and arms to become some of the most dangerous men in the wastelands. Over time they where absorbed by groups such as the BOS, Enclave and other high tech organisations that survive out in the wilds. Groups whom could both interest them to join up as part of a more powerful society or been eliminated as these groups had enough arms to fight back against a handful of lone wolf, high tech, raiders.

Assuming they just sat around on their arses and shot at each other is pretty flawed reasoning.
The Armoury does not have a lock not the door !
 

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Fat Man Spoon said:
yaik7a said:
Fat Man Spoon said:
8-Bit_Jack said:
...the lone wanderer WAS pure...
Sadly not. Being born to wasteland parents means he would have had tiny mutations.
The Mutantions happen after birth and sense he was put in a vault ...
Yes, after a year in the wastes.
A couple mouths then purity failed so they toke him to vault 101 so that not enough time for
mutations
 

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Dazza5897922 said:
yaik7a said:
What Do think happen to vault 34 ? Heres a link from the vault http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_34
I think that that the Vault would have had a nice start in the wasteland .
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/9.131658#2917512
I know why they were made
 

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Judging from the fact that everyone in the fallout world seems like a homicidal idiot, they would have probably all killed each other except for a few survivors who would escape out into the wastes and proceed to kill everyone and everything they saw and then die from radiation and lack of water. Classic vault behavior.
 

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yaik7a said:
The Armoury does not have a lock not the door !
Ok, I see where I misread and still think they would need to clarify the issue a little Better. To me not being supplied with a lock on the armoury would be a minor inconvenience. What with robotic security drones, other lockable chambers and of course a little wielding here, a bar there....

Even if some group struggled and came to power through armed re-vault (damn typo led to a pun was too good to pass up) it would still leave survivors. The only way there wouldn't be survivors is if there was a large nuclear weapon as part of the stockpile, with a massive button that could so inconveniently be pressed. AE: 'alien vs monsters.'

The second still stands though, seeing the vault main lock can be opened from the inside easily if it did have one. Very likely they just took what arms they had and left to become 'kings of the wasteland.' Over time these lone wolf raiders, so sure of their armour and weapons, where either eliminated or absorbed by larger equally armed groups.
 

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Jinx_Dragon said:
yaik7a said:
The Armoury does not have a lock not the door !
Ok, I see where I misread and still think they would need to clarify the issue a little Better. To me not being supplied with a lock on the armoury would be a minor inconvenience. What with robotic security drones, other lockable chambers and of course a little wielding here, a bar there....

Even if some group struggled and came to power through armed re-vault (damn typo led to a pun was too good to pass up) it would still leave survivors. The only way there wouldn't be survivors is if there was a large nuclear weapon as part of the stockpile, with a massive button that could so inconveniently be pressed. AE: 'alien vs monsters.'

The second still stands though, seeing the vault main lock can be opened from the inside easily if it did have one. Very likely they just took what arms they had and left to become 'kings of the wasteland.' Over time these lone wolf raiders, so sure of their armour and weapons, where either eliminated or absorbed by larger equally armed groups.
I know . Why does everyone think that automaticly everyone dies ?
 

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yaik7a said:
Yes, after a year in the wastes.
I disagree. Mutations caused by Radiation tend to happen the heaviest while your in the womb. This is because it is where the cells are undergoing the most change and are replicating the most rapidly. Cells that are dividing are vastly more susceptible to damage via radiation then non-dividing cells and dividing is all cells do in the womb.

As for the 'hero' of fallout 3. He/She was born to a research facility specialising in radiation prevention. Very likely, being one of the heads of the project, her/his mother was able to consume less radiation via food and drink. Also they had a wide range of anti-radiation medication (who knows the side effects of to unborn but moot point) that could ensure a radiation free pregnancy. Given that his parents would of been able to reduce and eliminate their own radiation damage it is interesting to ponder if a person born of said parents would carry damaged DNA or be 'pure.'

Not enough evidence, typical in computer games, exist to make a conclusive evaluation. We don't know what damage the parents DNA might of suffered prior to His/Her's conception. We can easily assume they where radiation free at the time but what damage was already done to them prior to that moment?

We will never know....