Vegan Superiority complex

[Neverhoodian]

No i'm better then you because I choose not to kill animals. Deal with it.

Incidentally, you can get more then enough protein from a vegetarian diet, about half of the martial artist I train with are vegetarians and all of them are far stronger then most other fighters, never mind your average person.

*Gnaws on chicken leg*

Yeah, I think I can "deal with it."

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

 

[fenrizz]

If you need vitamin supplements to your diet, you're doing it wrong.

Anybody else notice that 98% of all vegans live in a city?
Go figure.

 

[renegade7]

It's because Vegans have psychic powers. Scientifically speaking, they ARE superior people

No really, it's just because when some people have an opinion, they think theirs is better (same with religion, fanboy-ism, politics, etc.) especially when it's a lifestyle choice.

Whether killing the rabbits was necessary is another story entirely. Why not try repellent next time? You can also go to any hardware/home improvement store and by a 6-8 inch fence sort of thing you can put around your garden that works surprisingly well at keeping rabbits out. They both have the added benefit of not requiring you to go out and bury a corpse, and you won't have to worry about evangelist vegetarians thinking you're a trigger happy gun nut who likes to shoot little animals.

 

[Ampersand]

No i'm better then you because I choose not to kill animals. Deal with it.

Incidentally, you can get more then enough protein from a vegetarian diet, about half of the martial artist I train with are vegetarians and all of them are far stronger then most other fighters, never mind your average person.

*Gnaws on chicken leg*

Yeah, I think I can "deal with it."

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

 

[renegade7]

No i'm better then you because I choose not to kill animals. Deal with it.

Incidentally, you can get more then enough protein from a vegetarian diet, about half of the martial artist I train with are vegetarians and all of them are far stronger then most other fighters, never mind your average person.

How exactly does that make you a better person? Sounds to me like you're being a bigot about it. And also, don't you need to take supplements for iron? It's necessary to build muscle and carry oxygen to the brain. You only get significant amounts of it from red meat (because that itself is muscle tissue) Now, I know it's against your beliefs, but personally I'd rather eat a burger or something than choke down a nutrient drink or a pill. Both of those are a LOT more expensive than meat too.

 

[Weslebear]

I don't care about Vegans or Vegetarians as long as they don't try to force their thinking onto me and my life. I could not care less what people do or don't put in their bodies but be damned I shall enjoy my life anyhow I choose thank you, and a lack of meat and dairy would certainly make my life just a little bit more bland.

I don't care about any virtues of anyway of life, if I don't enjoy it then I don't care. My golden rule is I would rather shave off 5 years of my life but enjoy it than extend a dull existence. Live your life how you want and don't you dare try to force people into the same lifestyle, show them the pros and cons and let people make their own mind up.

I shall end with this, whatever you do in your life is what defines you, it does not make you superior or inferior. And it never will.

 

[jobu59749]

The best part of this whole thread, nobody will ever win the debate. This keeps coming back to vegan/veggie eater(i'm lazy and don't want to keep spelling it) vs. meat eaters in periodic replies. Ultimately, you reacted to extremists in the mostly herbavore community. Who cares, I didn't read your original article, don't care about your original article. If it is what people are saying, then you did kill needlessly. It's called traps, simply put.

Ultimately, some of the people in the world eat meat, some prefer not to. Nobody is wrong or right, in reallity....we should just not talk about that choice as nobody will ever win the day.

Edit: Ampersand, thanks for being the example to the class of someone who shares their extreme opinion, without facts (other than martial arts people I know do it and are stronger than most other people). I perform martial arts, strength has nothing to do with success unless you guys train to "sweep the leg"...lol. Your better than me? What is that? 3rd grade retoric for a bully? Grow-up and prove your better than me...wait, you can't...food choices don't make the person.

 

[Princess Rose]

But this is something that I have noticed not just on the Escapist but everywhere. Just because you decide to not eat meat doesn't make me a bad person. Animals eat animals all the time and it's a pretty normal thing. Overall it's unhealthy to do because the Human body needs more protein than what can be provided in nuts. If it's your choice to do that then it's fine but remember you aren't any better than anyone else just because you choose not to eat animals.
*rant over*

Ah, but didn't you know, Vegans get psychic pow-

I think this thread is eventually going to turn into a debate about why some vegans act superior to non-vegans. There is a stereotype about that, (in before SCOTT PILGRIM HAS THAT VEGAN SCENE LOLZ!!!)

The Vegan Police

... oh. Never mind then. **pouts**

OT: I've met vegans who would sit with me while I ate a hamburger (and they ate a mushroom burger) and they were totally cool with it.
I've also met vegans who were total ass-hats.

It really comes down to the individual. Some people are cool, some people are ass-hats, and some people are vegan. Members of those groups are bound to overlap in both directions.

But, as happens with ass-hats, the ass-hats are usually the most vocal, particularly on the internet.

 

[Ampersand]

No i'm better then you because I choose not to kill animals. Deal with it.

Incidentally, you can get more then enough protein from a vegetarian diet, about half of the martial artist I train with are vegetarians and all of them are far stronger then most other fighters, never mind your average person.

How exactly does that make you a better person? Sounds to me like you're being a bigot about it. And also, don't you need to take supplements for iron? It's necessary to build muscle and carry oxygen to the brain. You only get significant amounts of it from red meat (because that itself is muscle tissue) Now, I know it's against your beliefs, but personally I'd rather eat a burger or something than choke down a nutrient drink or a pill. Both of those are a LOT more expensive than meat too.

Well morality is subjective isn't it. If he does something that I don't do because I think it's morally objectionable(at the best of times) then obviously I'm gonna think i'm a better person then he is.

No I've never needed any kind of supplement, and neither have any of the vegetarians I know (who ,i've said before, are all very fit people.) so I don't really know where that assumption comes from.

 

[Togs]

Ah militant vegetarians, more delusional than theists and more insufferable than MLP fanboys.

Kill cleanly and quickly, giving repsect to the animal thats giving its life to provide you with sustenance, but eat all the meat you want and ignore the mawkish little children.

 

[Togs]

Well morality is subjective isn't it. If he does something that I don't do because I think it's morally objectionable(at the best of times) then obviously I'm gonna think i'm a better person then he is.

No I've never needed any kind of supplement, and neither have any of the vegetarians I know (who ,i've said before, are all very fit people.) so I don't really know where that assumption comes from.

So basically when confronted with being politely asked to explain yourself you pull out "because I say so!" excuse?

 

[Hollock]

It's kind of annoying but you have to remember that it doesn't matter what anyone does, the loud obnoxious people of any group are the ones people think of.

 

[staika]

When I first saw this thread I thought it said "Vegetta superiority complex" that would have made this thread much more interesting.

OT: Over the great vastness of the internet there are people I like to call "Douchebags" and these people like to flame people for reasons none of us can understand and the douchebags you met just happened to be vegans.

 

[Mr Pantomime]

-snip-

Well the term isnt vegetarian or vegan, its douchebag. Being a vegetarian/vegan is simply an outlet for it. Anyone whos trying to shove their belief down your throat is a dick, doesnt matter what they believe in.

So dont take it out on the vegetarians, thats just stereotyping based on a small, stupid demographic. And that would make you a douche as well.

 

[DevilWithaHalo]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

 

[let's rock]

I will say it again like I have said to every vegan I know, If we kill no animals, they make more babies, the population grows, they eat all their food, then die out. So eigther we kill animals, or they go almost of compleatly exteenct, dying a slow painful starvation death

 

[spartan231490]

So I recently made a thread http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.304899-Im-a-terrible-person-sortof?page=1 and got a lot of hate from vegetarian people because I killed an animal. Getting called a terrible person for it doesn't bother me honestly I've heard worse but the fact that these select few vegetarians thought that they were better only for the fact that they don't kill animals is ridiculous. To get a few things straight
1. I know the difference between vegan and vegetarianism
2. I'm not saying every vegetarian thinks that they're better than everyone else
3. I'm not saying every person in that forum was a jerk about being a vegetarian and that some just didn't like that I killed a random animal.
But this is something that I have noticed not just on the Escapist but everywhere. Just because you decide to not eat meat doesn't make me a bad person. Animals eat animals all the time and it's a pretty normal thing. Overall it's unhealthy to do because the Human body needs more protein than what can be provided in nuts. If it's your choice to do that then it's fine but remember you aren't any better than anyone else just because you choose not to eat animals.
*rant over*

Well said. The only issue is that you can get enough protein from a vegetarian or even vegan diet, it's just more difficult. Although, to be fair, I'm not sure if any plant matter really has the complex proteins that the human body really needs, that you find in meat. My problem with that whole train of thought is that not eating meat doesn't really save animals. If demand for meat goes down, farmers just raise fewer animals, those animals that get raised are still slaughtered, so you're not saving animals, you're preventing them from being born. If you manage to convince everyone on the planet not to eat meat, then most species of animals that we eat would go extinct. Many livestock have been domesticated for so long that they can't go back into the wild. So, not only would you not save any animals and actually doom several species, you would also put many hard-working farmers out of a job. You monster.

Further, a lot of vegetarians claim that livestock are treated horribly and live in horrible conditions. Compared to what? Cuz in the wild, they are constantly living with the fear of being eaten by something, and their deaths are almost always, except if they would be killed by a competent hunter, long, slow, and horrifically painful. Not to mention times of famine that cause them to starve to death. So, compared to that, I'd say that not having quite as much room as they would like, is a relatively small complaint. I'd say pretty much anything is a small complaint.

Also, I just don't care. They are animals. Myself, and the farmers whose jobs would be lost if vegetarians had their way, are people. Therefore, I rate our comfort and happiness, and health as a higher priority than the animals lives. If you don't believe that and don't eat meat, more power to you, I'm not going to claim that you aren't entitled to the choice of whether to eat meat or not. I'm not going to claim that I have some godlike ability to judge the value of other human beings.

 

[Mr. Google]

BTW what I meant by "is a lesser choice" I don't mean it is a bad choice as much as an easier path that requires less of you, as ment in really not a bad or offencive way, I am truly sorry if I did offend you though.

I eat meat because
1. the obvious reason it was how I was brought up
2. I see no reason to give up meat because though it may suck for the animals they aren't really sentient so it doesn't bother me.
3. I like meat and feel that I would get bored of only eating non-meats and
4. It's an expensive and unnecessary way for me to live. If you feel like your life is better because of it then congrats to you. I on the other hand wouldn't.
And to add when I make a thread about disliking people who are jerks about being a vegan and then you say the lesser choice thing in a poorly worded way to make it seem like I'm a lesser person expect me to take offense. Now that we've cleared it up I forgive you because...well I have way more important things in my life than hating every person whose ever ticked me off a little bit.

 

[Danial]

The main diffrence between a Meat eater and a Veggy/Vegan is that Meat eaters don't fucking mention it every 10 seconds.

Actual;y, i'll let Mr Anthony Bourdain explane.

 

[captain_dalan]

You will often find that the kind of vegetarian who goes out of his way to find an argument about vegetarianism online isnt exactly your average vegetarian, theyre the kind of person that goes out of their way to find something that makes them angry so they can valliantly fight against it and feel better about it afterwards.

I am a vegetarian, I dont feel superior for it. We have differing opinions regarding animal welfare, I personally find the needless killing of an animal (as described in your post) quite offensive, but so the fuck what? Im not going to change your mind by ranting at you on the internet, no more than if we start throwing each others releigious views in each others faces.

By all means I will debate the matter where appropriate, but at the end of the day its just differing opinions.

Basically, dont just base your opinio of vegetarians on the attention-seeking minority, just in the same way that a sensible person knows that athiests are not all the millitant "ban religion!" type.

EDIT: oh, and vegetarianis/veganism is not unhealthy if done CORRECTLY. yes a lot of people are stupid and end up unhealhy, but anyone who is actually wanting to do this properly will at least have a basic sense of health and nutrition.

i am mostly live and let live, but i get seriously annoyed when people refuse to breastfeed their babies