Vegan Superiority complex

[spartan231490]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Well said. A plant is no less alive than an animal. and recent studies have shown that they release chemicals in response to being damaged very similar to the hormones an animal releases when it's in pain. Life must consume life to live, it's very simple. All life exists by destroying other life. Even plants like trees survive by fighting over sunlight and nutrients, essentially starving out any plants that can't get enough of either. Trees stretch out their branches with murderous intent to kill anything beneath them. Many conifer trees take it one step further, decreasing the PH of the soil under them to a level intolerable to most plants. What any individual kills to eat is up to them.
Personally, I draw the line at sentience. Anything below that is fair game to cultivate and eat, anything above should be left to it's own devices as much as possible. Animals aren't sentient ergo, I eat them.

 

[Ampersand]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

 

[Sud0_x]

So I recently made a thread http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.304899-Im-a-terrible-person-sortof?page=1 and got a lot of hate from vegetarian people because I killed an animal. Getting called a terrible person for it doesn't bother me honestly I've heard worse but the fact that these select few vegetarians thought that they were better only for the fact that they don't kill animals is ridiculous. To get a few things straight
1. I know the difference between vegan and vegetarianism
2. I'm not saying every vegetarian thinks that they're better than everyone else
3. I'm not saying every person in that forum was a jerk about being a vegetarian and that some just didn't like that I killed a random animal.
But this is something that I have noticed not just on the Escapist but everywhere. Just because you decide to not eat meat doesn't make me a bad person. Animals eat animals all the time and it's a pretty normal thing. Overall it's unhealthy to do because the Human body needs more protein than what can be provided in nuts. If it's your choice to do that then it's fine but remember you aren't any better than anyone else just because you choose not to eat animals.
*rant over*

On topic:
I've got vegan mates who certainly don't have a superiority complex
(I know you said you weren't making a generalisation, I'm just sayin')

I dunno what to tell you, some people just don't like seeing/hearing about a defenseless animal suffering like that.

I read that thread of yours earlier and you, yourself, were queasy at the little bunny's pain.
People are always going to say stuff and whatnot and blah blah blah, seriously, don't take it so hard mate.

On your rabbit problem:
Maybe take other people's suggestions and find some other way to deter them, whether it be putting up an impassable barrier or whatever.
(I know they'll dig under a fence but lay down a sheet of iron or something just under the surface at the perimeter and BAM! youshallnotpass.jpg)

I love meat and I couldn't kill an animal, there are a lot of people who would take issue with that but I won't lose sleep over it.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Hmm, what was that? Sorry, I'm having trouble hearing reason with all this pretentious bullshit being thrown around. Don't condemn a person for their lifestyle vegans. Excuse me while I go eat a box of Kentucky Fried Chicken.

If you need vitamin supplements to your diet, you're doing it wrong.

Anybody else notice that 98% of all vegans live in a city?
Go figure.

As I live on a farm where we sell vegetables as part of my brother's job, I agree with you, and I'll just repost this from the other thread.

The whole lot of you condemning the guy for shooting the rabbit: shut your fucking faces. Rabbits are pests. They breed like crazy, destroy crops, and can attract predators. Vegetarians who think that it is immoral to shoot a pest, grow your own fucking crops. If I don't look after my vegetables, then you can grow your own shit, because you're just trying to survive. Oh, now doesn't that sound familiar?

If I'm not allowed to protect my source of income that happens to be your only food source, then you only have yourself to blame for not letting me deal with the pests. You want your veggies? Let me do my goddamn job the way I see fit. I don't want weasels or ferrets or wolves or any other rabbit and chicken eating predator on my farm. Rabbits need to learn that this is my property, it is not theirs, it is not their food, it is not their right. If they are too stupid to clear off after being shot at, it's their own fault.

The guy already feels terrible, and now you're telling him he is terrible because he chose the best response in the situation. He dealt with it as best he could, but no, he's an evil person because he let the cute wittle bunny wunny die.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Double Post

 

[Aspergo]

The first thing to know is, there are Vegans that do that cuz of their ethnical choice and those who do it "cuz its rad and different" - the angry Vegans are mostly from the second group, while the first one wont be dicks until you are to them, since they feel comfortable and assured in their choice, unlike the group that does it "cuz its cool".
People usualy bash at Vegans, bringing up the death of infants that occured due to their Parents feeding em Tofu and Apple juice instead of Meat and Milk - but these are plain Idiots and Idiots are to be found in any Subculture, so basching at whole Subculture for it is plain stupid.
I never had problems with Vegans/vegetarians and mostly had a nice time with them, since we avoided bringing up any conversation bout our Diets. Surely, Humans are Omnivores and neglecting a Part of our diet is against our instincts and natural presidposition, but Humans always liked to defy that ;3

 

[fenrizz]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Since when is eating meat cruel?

When I hunt, I take care so that my first shoot kills the animal I am hunting.
How on earth is that cruel?

 

[Ampersand]

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Which one? Psychovegephilia?

Incidentally:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=grill

All food involves dead animals, even organic farming kills insects.

There are close to 7 billion people on earth, if we're going to produce enough resources for all of them there are going to be accidents which is shit,(human lives are lost as well, why didn't you mention those?). However needless killing is still wrong.

 

[Ampersand]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Since when is eating meat cruel?

When I hunt, I take care so that my first shoot kills the animal I am hunting.
How on earth is that cruel?

Dude, seriously? If you're that well trained with a rifle you could kill a man without him even knowing he's been shot, I mean as long as you find someone who's kind of a loner and doesn't have many friends it's open season, right?
Yes taking a life needlessly is cruel.

 

[fenrizz]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Since when is eating meat cruel?

When I hunt, I take care so that my first shoot kills the animal I am hunting.
How on earth is that cruel?

Dude, seriously? If you're that well trained with a rifle you could kill a man without him even knowing he's been shot, I mean as long as you find someone who's kind of a loner and doesn't have many friends it's open season, right?
Yes taking a life needlessly is cruel.

Actually I am required by law to be 100% certain that the first shot will kill the animal I am hunting.
If I am not, I don't take the shot.

And what does any of this have to do with murdering people?
Are you implying that it is the same to kill and animal and a human?

And I don't take the life of an animal needlessly, I intend to eat it.

 

[Kinokohatake]

While it's certainly annoying to have someone claim the moral high ground for a completely subjective and arbitrary reason, it's hardly restricted to vegans/vegetarians. Anybody that wants to be smug will find a reason to do so, usually by gravitating towards a practice that they believe makes them superior to others; the result is supremely twattish people adopting vegan practices, as opposed to a normal person becoming vegan and adopting a twattish attitude as a result.

This is also very evident in religion, as well. Your average believer will usually just be a normal person that has accepted a certain explanation for life's big questions so they can focus on more productive things; they won't tell you that you're going to hell if they see you eating meat on Friday, or see you violating some other harmless tenet of their religion, because religion doesn't intrinsically transform people into twats. Now, the assholes you see picketing a soldier's funeral, or standing on a college campus shouting that all non-believers will burn in the flames of hell? They weren't nice, polite people before they heard a sermon that convinced them that the world must be purged of heretics... they were always twats, and when given an excuse to gush their twattiness all over the place (the right to religious expression, in this example), they took it and ran with it, twatting it up for all it was worth, using "their cause" as a shield against criticism for twattiness and tarnishing its reputation severely in the process.

Basically, your grievance seems to be with a particular excuse that some twats use to be openly twattish, as opposed to the twats themselves. A paradigm shift may be in order, here.

This is the smartest thing I've ever heard anyone say ever. Seriously! I agree with this so hard it hurts. I dated a vegetarian, and she wasn't a super ***** about it. One of my friends is a vegetarian but isn't a super ***** about it. I have an atheist friend who is a super ***** about it. The funny thing is, if any of these people switched their stances, they would still be the same person. My friends who aren't super bitches would still not be super bitches and the super ***** atheist would become a psychotic holy roller.

Captcha - axes, indsmall (Axes, in this mall) STOP TELLING ME TO GO ON AN AX KILLING SPREE!

 

[Grospoliner]

1) Anyone who acts superior or self-righteous over "not eating meat" or "not using products containing animals, can go f-k their self since there isn't a single damn object that doesn't use animal products and not a single human who has never consumed another previously living creature. They are not instantly endowed with the right to criticize another human being for natural behavior. Life exists because of competition, conflict, and consumption of weaker dumber species. Bacteria kill and consume other bacteria, plants invade the habitats of other plants, herbivores devour plants, carnivores devour herbivores, and viruses prey upon the greater multi-celled organisms. That's the way life works, and treating any living organism differently, plant or animal, is childish. All food should be revered and appreciated for its sacrifice.

2) If you (general) feel no remorse at killing another animal then that is your problem alone. I would consider it pitiable if you (general) feel little compassion for any other species and only on that would I criticize you (general).

3) I personally have never killed an animal. I have wounded some with bb guns, chasing them off for being general annoyances (crop destruction, home destruction, things along those lines) but personally I would never kill an animal unless I planned to clean and cook it, and only when I had no other option. I abhor death to the extent that I will go out of my way to ensure an animal doesn't die needlessly or uselessly.

I have however born witness to the death of animals, deaths who were, at the least, partly my responsibility. They are unfortunate events that I would, given the chance, have spared myself from.

 

[Asti]

Aw dear, what's it with the stereotypes today?

Anyway, I know lots of Vegetarians who don't make a fuss over it. I mean, the rabbit-killing was a bit harsh but my brother once had to kill a fox by breaking its spine because he ran it over and it didn't die from the impact. (But you should have tried to find a repellant or a dog/cat or something...)

Personally, I eat meat only once in a while (I think you call it "Weekday-Vegetrainism") because most of the time, the life of a creature is more precious than my luxury. Meat should be considered a luxury and contrary to popular belief, it was for a long time and even is today in hunter-gatherer-societies. A hunt is something very exhausting if you don't have firearms and when you're already rather hungry, nuts, grains and vegetables make for a more secure source of energy. Therefore meat should be something that should be eaten with a lot of respect and on special occasions.

I'm not against eating animals, I'm against industrially raising them. The human body doesn't need (and in fact can't really handle) the amount of meat the average person in any western country consumes.

 

[HandsomeJack]

Way to twist words there buttercup.

An argument against eating meat twisted into an illegal act of forced sex, yep I see a similarity ..... oh wait...

Now does your comment make my argument look weak or does it make you look like a sick jackass for thinking it up.

Swings and roundabouts my friend.

See I aimed my post to be a bit light hearted and you twist it in your little perverse mind. Seek help, seek it soon.

Are the two comparable? No, not really, rape is far worse than killing animals. Was my example applying the exact same logic as yours to a different topic? Absolutely. The point of my post was that the argument you were using simply didn't work, and since you've not managed to come up with any rebuttal other than ad hominem I'll assume that you agree.

By the way, I mentioned rape because it's one of the few things that very nearly nobody supports and even fewer people will admit to supporting - I considered murder instead, but decided against it on a whim.

I.E. you made a strawman that you can easily beat up.

Your argument is -the- definition of a strawman argument.

Sqeek wasnt making a strawman argument, squeek was showing that the squence of logic used could be used by Rawne to validate any action without any merit other than selfish induldgence. Rawne's points had to intellectual merit, however, I am fairly certain that Rawne was not playing it strait-faced, but going for the LOLs. If any argument was a strawman it would have been Rawne's, as it was set up with outragious assertion and no susbstance. Whether Rawne did this because they supports veganism/vegetarianism and is trying to make the argument of meat-eating seem shallow or if Rawne did this as a meat-eater mocking this whole debate is uncertain to me.

I am a happy omnivore, as intended. I am the brother of a very self-rightious vegetarian who had to walk away with her tail between her legs because she tried to impose a vegan diet on her children (Both under the age of 5 at the time) and was admonished by a doctor who told her it was extremely unhealthy for children so young. She now raises her own chickens for eggs and buys dairy to supplement thier (and her) diet. Whenever the kids are around me they merrily enjoy whatever meat I enjoy while in thier company (thier choice, they have options).

All vegetarians I know (all 7 + 3 "recovering vegetarians" who have since become omnivores again) did so for moral reasons, but justified it to others by citing health benefits (which to me is intellectually dishonest, to do for one reason, but use another reason to justify).

The truth is that beef and pountry are very healthy for you if they were raised and fed properly. Look at the Masai in Africa, almost a total diet derived from cattle and they do not have cholesterole or blood pressure issues. This is because thier beef is grazed and not fed corn (which cows are allergic to, but given drugs to make them tollerate it) as well as well exercised. Poultry that is grazed and eats mostly worms/insects/etc. is likewise very good for you.

If you are vegetarian/vegan for moral reasons, please dont impose your morals on others the same way bad practices of other moral backgrounds do (Westboro Baptist Church, I am looking at you), it wins over no hearts and does no good to your cause. If you are vegetarian/vegan for health reasons (one of my girlfriends cousins is, she has so many allergies that meat quite literally will kill her if she eats much of it) then please realize the options that may exist for you so that you may make fully informed decisions (if you want to stay vegetarian/vegan anyway more power and respect too you for it).

This choice is most like religion, it is personal, noone has a place to tell you your answer is "wrong", and if you let it be your justification for acting like an asshole to others than be prepared to be attacked for them and dont come crying to momma.

 

[Ampersand]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Since when is eating meat cruel?

When I hunt, I take care so that my first shoot kills the animal I am hunting.
How on earth is that cruel?

Dude, seriously? If you're that well trained with a rifle you could kill a man without him even knowing he's been shot, I mean as long as you find someone who's kind of a loner and doesn't have many friends it's open season, right?
Yes taking a life needlessly is cruel.

That's pretty much a straw man argument. I don't want anything to get killed but realistically accidents happen. That doesn't mean it's ok to kill things on purpose. I wont swerve my car into another one to avoid hitting a mouse that's on the road but i'd be a prick to actually go looking for ones to squash..... unless there was a massive pest control problem I guess...pests that were only vulnerable to cars. this thought has gotten away from me.

 

[Roybot]

Simple question: why can't we choose to eat each other, even if we're consenting? Did you know that technically is how vegans could eat meat, or use animal byproduct? By having the animal accept the terms of the exchange, the vegan way hasn't been broken.

I'm vegetarian (it would take some extreme discipline to ever be vegan)for moral reasons, but I don't feel it morally reprehensible for someone to eat meat. It's not like THEY were the ones who killed the animal, and if the animal or them had the chance to make things right for the family of the animal, then I'm pretty sure most of the people I associate with would. There is a balance to this world, and some of that comes from the balanced consumption of assets, some of those being other lives. My only concern with "hardcore" meat eaters, is what's the deal with cannibalism? We're animals, we serve almost the same biological purpose, and use the same biological constructs to run our daily lives as the mammalia, birds, and fish we eat.

What's the difference?

 

[Ampersand]

At least us meat-eaters do the humane thing and kill the animal before we eat it.

See that carrot you're chewing on? You're eating it alive.

That just seems like a really weird thing to say. I get that you're trying to sound clever but in reality equating killing animals to picking vegetables can be a warning sign of a sever personality disorder. 8/

Call me psycopathic then, because you're not actually disagreeing with the statement. What is the Vegan beef with eating animals? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption. What's a vegetable garden? The cultivation of life forms for the sole purpose of consumption.

The ethics behind the consumption of one type of life over another isn't anything beyond an arbitrary choice in what they kill to consume. If it really was about not killing anything for the sake of morality, you'd eat nothing but fruit because trees and plants shed it without them dying for it (and similar food).

Is it because you don't have to look vegetables in the eyes when you chew on them? Is it because they can't scream when you rip them from the ground? How is irreversable damage to something any less equivilent to causing it temporary pain?

Vegans and vegeterians can spare me their righteous indignations. I am no worse than any other animal that consumers another for sustenance. And I find them always morally superior to us.

hello mood swings, there's another one.

I find it sad that I have to explain this but the reason plants don't scream when you "rip them from the ground" isn't because they don't have vocal cords it's be cause they don't feel pain (duuuh!) they don't have consciousness or a nervous system....animals do.
Seriously did you give that argument any thought at all?

I'm sorry but saying that people who eat meat are no worse then wolves and lions is kind of insulting to their intelligence don't you think. I mean predators arn't smart enough to understand cruelty, and you really should be.

Since when is eating meat cruel?

When I hunt, I take care so that my first shoot kills the animal I am hunting.
How on earth is that cruel?

Dude, seriously? If you're that well trained with a rifle you could kill a man without him even knowing he's been shot, I mean as long as you find someone who's kind of a loner and doesn't have many friends it's open season, right?
Yes taking a life needlessly is cruel.

Actually I am required by law to be 100% certain that the first shot will kill the animal I am hunting.
If I am not, I don't take the shot.

And what does any of this have to do with murdering people?
Are you implying that it is the same to kill and animal and a human?

And I don't take the life of an animal needlessly, I intend to eat it.

I would put the life of a human well above the life of an animal in terms of my priorities. I'd kill an animal if it tried to kill me and I'd probably kill one to feed my family if there was absolutely no other food available. However you don't need to eat an animal to survive, unless you're currently lost in the wilderness with nothing but your rifle and a lap-top. You can feed yourself very well without having to hurt anything.
Why do people act as though that's such an unreasonable thing to say?

 

[Ampersand]

Well morality is subjective isn't it. If he does something that I don't do because I think it's morally objectionable(at the best of times) then obviously I'm gonna think i'm a better person then he is.

No I've never needed any kind of supplement, and neither have any of the vegetarians I know (who ,i've said before, are all very fit people.) so I don't really know where that assumption comes from.

So basically when confronted with being politely asked to explain yourself you pull out "because I say so!" excuse?

Actually I corrected a misconception about my lifestyle and I explained my moral stand point in a calm and polite manner after being called a bigot for no reason beyond saying that it's not alright to hurt animals.
Of course I can see that i've hurt your feelings by not instantly conforming to your lifestyle.... so sorry I guess : /

 

[Togs]

Actually I corrected a misconception about my lifestyle and I explained my moral stand point in a calm and polite manner after being called a bigot for no reason beyond saying that it's not alright to hurt animals.
Of course I can see that i've hurt your feelings by not instantly conforming to your lifestyle.... so sorry I guess : /

My feelings are decidedly unhurt, I was commenting on the quality of your reasoning.

No i'm better then you because I choose not to kill animals. Deal with it.

And yes you are a bigot, this sentence is all the proof required.

Attempting to lord over people based on some imagined superiority is the widely used definition of the term.

For my counter- death is a part of life and a part of nature, animals kill each other for food and the human race is no different.
We have evolved over millenia to require meat in our diets- you may attempt to retort here with "but I know veggies who are perfectly healthy!"- the fact is they maybe so but they are not as healthy as a meat eater at a similar level of fitness, eat as many pulses as you need you are still missing out on a number of vital trace chemicals that can only be found in meat, meat protein itself is of a superior quality to vegetable protein- its faster metabolised and utilised within the human body.
This something I have learnt after a half decade spent in scientific academia- if you so require I will hunt down the data that proves what im saying, although it may take me a few hours to remember where the journal articles are stored.

EDIT= And on a further note the first aspect of health to be compromised is normally the immune system, whilst your reported level of fitness may inoculate mildly against illness it is common for vegetarians to bexcome infected much quicker.

 

[Ickorus]

You mean vegetarians and vegans actually managed to muster up enough energy to form an argument?

I personally love the whole "ahhh can't eat meat it's wrong" argument.

We've been doing it since man picked up his first beat stick and took it to the face of a big lizard to get steak for the family BBQ.

And lets face it folks, if eating animals was so wrong they wouldn't taste so right.

To be fair to vegetarians and vegans we don't actually need to eat meat anymore since we do indeed have adequate substitutes now.

That said there really isn't a reason why we should stop it, meat tastes good and naturally gives us all the nutrients we need, not doing so is like flipping off mother nature.