Vegetarians - why?
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I hate the whole human superiority thing. What we do isn't natural.
If a human kills an animal it's acceptable, but if an animal kills a human IT'S EVIL AND DESERVES TO DIE!
We hoard animals up in fields and never allow them to live their whole lives, taking them out and slaughtering them before they get the chance to. And this is perfectly fine. Yet if an alien race came to Earth and started doing this or if an animal reached human intelligence and started doing it or something, THEY'RE EVIL AND HAVE TO BE DESTROYED!
To those people who always use the "WELL, ANIMALS WHO KILL OTHER ANIMALS IN THE WILD DO IT MUCH WORSE THAN WE DO" crap, think about it. Would you rather have every single human in the world hoarded into small areas their entire lives, and before any of them reach anywhere near the end of their lives, they're taken and slaughtered, or for humans to carry on living out their lives, passing away as normal, but every now and then a human's picked off?
Animals are living things too. I know for a lot of people it's near impossible for them to understand that, but they are. And they have every right to live as fully as we do. Nothing gives humans more right to live than them.
If a human kills an animal it's acceptable, but if an animal kills a human IT'S EVIL AND DESERVES TO DIE!
We hoard animals up in fields and never allow them to live their whole lives, taking them out and slaughtering them before they get the chance to. And this is perfectly fine. Yet if an alien race came to Earth and started doing this or if an animal reached human intelligence and started doing it or something, THEY'RE EVIL AND HAVE TO BE DESTROYED!
To those people who always use the "WELL, ANIMALS WHO KILL OTHER ANIMALS IN THE WILD DO IT MUCH WORSE THAN WE DO" crap, think about it. Would you rather have every single human in the world hoarded into small areas their entire lives, and before any of them reach anywhere near the end of their lives, they're taken and slaughtered, or for humans to carry on living out their lives, passing away as normal, but every now and then a human's picked off?
Animals are living things too. I know for a lot of people it's near impossible for them to understand that, but they are. And they have every right to live as fully as we do. Nothing gives humans more right to live than them.
No. I refuse to let you equate humans with mere farm animals, there is no equivalence.uro vii said:
It is insulting to all the humans in history who HAVE been treated like animals to be enslaved and murdered en-mass, and no just in history but continuing.
Just because a chicken has some semblance of a consciousness (unlike a plant) doesn't make their consciousness as valuable as a person. Animals don't just have a simple consciousness they have an alien consciousness, with virtually no common concepts or thought processes.
Yes, it's species-ism, just like eating plants is species-ism because we have yet to find a species with even a fraction of the cognitive worth of a human. Don't get me started on dolphins, they're playful and clever but they can't even talk, and chips, horrible creatures with an unbreakable instinct for violence and harming their loved ones.
And before you go as low as "but what about babies and brain injured people", babies grow up, people can recover from brain injuries.
It's worth spending millions of dollars sustaining a brain injured person if there is just the remotest chance they will recover some of their consciousness from brain-plasticity as even then it's more valuable than a chimpanzee.
I would only object to killing an animal for food it it was indicated it may have some consciousness of worth or may come to something.
The whole carbon footprint idea is rather silly IMO. Its like they are trying to say "Because I do this I am a better person than you". In fact, the whole going green thing seems to be based on that.
The preventing cruelty to animals thing is a bit of a pointless statement too. Combine harvesters blenderize millions of small animals every year harvesting non-meat foods.
The other ideas I understand though.
The preventing cruelty to animals thing is a bit of a pointless statement too. Combine harvesters blenderize millions of small animals every year harvesting non-meat foods.
The other ideas I understand though.
And we can/do kill and eat them more easily I don't see your point.E-mantheseeker said:
OT: I have no idea. I love bacon and I don't think I could ever give it up for any reason.
I really love animals and hate to see them hurt but I can't be a vegetarian due to illness. 
I have alot of respect those that are though for that reason. I try not to eat any meat outside of farm meats at least. But it's not enough really
There is alot of people who think it's more healthy to be a vegetarian. I think they are wrong becuase humans are essentially omnivores. Unfortunately meat suffers alot more from being cheap or processing than veggies do. I think that's why it come out as more unhealthy on a working class /blue collar wage.
I have alot of respect those that are though for that reason. I try not to eat any meat outside of farm meats at least. But it's not enough really There is alot of people who think it's more healthy to be a vegetarian. I think they are wrong becuase humans are essentially omnivores. Unfortunately meat suffers alot more from being cheap or processing than veggies do. I think that's why it come out as more unhealthy on a working class /blue collar wage.
Long time lurker. I dont add to a debate if I have nothing to add. There is enough "ZOMG this is "insert x" !!!oneone" to go around.
Why? Because they have a nicer web page? because they are a million dollar company that relies on advertisement income from companies that makes drugs such as statins? I see their claims, but I see no data or reference to back them up. What gives? Since "that guy" have no problems providing these things and his webpage doesnt look as good?The Gnome King said:
The newer studies are comming out in Atkins favour. So I wouldnt be holding my breath if I were you. (http://www.ajcn.org/content/91/3/502.abstract) Qi Sun, has been involved with a lot of interresting studies on sat.fat and diet, one of the largests of its kind and there was no link found. Yes Atkins is dead, you can read more about it here;
http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/atkinsdiet/a/dratkinsdeath.htm
(protip: it wasnt his diet)
very!
Its not just the protein.
LOL, didnt I say it? better shits! Why would I need laxitives if I dont eat stuff my body cannot digest. I am interrested to learn about the mechanics you think is present.
If this was true. I would like to hear about any vegan tribe found. We know virtually no 3rd generation vegans. We can live on plants for a while. The large drop out from veganism isnt because people "want doing it right" or "did it wrong",. its because for most of us it is impossible to live on plants alone. For a lot its not even possible with a wash of different supplements.
One last word on cholesterol:
PCRM is a notoriously misleading bunch of vegan cooks. I wont take their word for anything, because I have seen enough times how they torture data and make studies nobody can seem to duplicate to know better than doing so.
So what does America eat a lot of besides meat. wheat flour, sugar, Soy, acesulfam K, uppers, downers, high fructose corn sirup, Monosodium glutamte...hmm. i think there is a character limit on posts here, because I can go on for hours like that before meat or fat becomes even slightly relevant in the overall health calculation.
and ok...I admit. I work for the meat industry. We spend millions on going on gamers forum to spread propaganda to people who are allready majority fanboys of us. Got me.
It's really quite simple. People just have their own reasons for it. Some people just don't like the fact that their eating something that was once living and breathing. Other people will do it for relgious reasons, while others will do it because they don't like the taste.
In a way i do respect certain vegetarians for not eating meat, but i just couldn't do it, being a predator is in our nature after all, and it's the healthiest thing to be in my opinion (also my life would be pointless without ever of trying a bacon sandwich, or a chicken sandwich, or actually any meat sandwich).
Now if your thread was vegans - why? it would probably be a better question, but even they will have valid reasons.
In a way i do respect certain vegetarians for not eating meat, but i just couldn't do it, being a predator is in our nature after all, and it's the healthiest thing to be in my opinion (also my life would be pointless without ever of trying a bacon sandwich, or a chicken sandwich, or actually any meat sandwich).
Now if your thread was vegans - why? it would probably be a better question, but even they will have valid reasons.
Can I be bothered to get involved in this? *Ponders*
No, not really because it is inevitable when someone asks why are you vegetarian and you answer because you've been asked it becomes a protracted debate which becomes not 'why are you?', but 'justify yourself, Oh, freak of nature' and then devolves into... 'Those f*cking vegetarians are trying to force their views on me again..' and endless quote pyramids as to why we are wrong and meat eaters are right. Majority rules, right?
Anyway, FWIW, since I am now involved..... *is annoyed with self for being dragged in*
I am vegetarian because I prefer animals to meat. It is just as simple as that... I like them alive *shrugs* anything beyond that and you might as well ask me why I don't smack my kids, why I like brown eyed men, and why I play RPGs and not FPSs. It is simply the way I am wired up. It is my choice for me and your choices for you are yours and yours alone
No, not really because it is inevitable when someone asks why are you vegetarian and you answer because you've been asked it becomes a protracted debate which becomes not 'why are you?', but 'justify yourself, Oh, freak of nature' and then devolves into... 'Those f*cking vegetarians are trying to force their views on me again..' and endless quote pyramids as to why we are wrong and meat eaters are right. Majority rules, right?
Anyway, FWIW, since I am now involved..... *is annoyed with self for being dragged in*
I am vegetarian because I prefer animals to meat. It is just as simple as that... I like them alive *shrugs* anything beyond that and you might as well ask me why I don't smack my kids, why I like brown eyed men, and why I play RPGs and not FPSs. It is simply the way I am wired up. It is my choice for me and your choices for you are yours and yours alone
Right on dude! A lot of the more cognitively dissonant people in this thread probably read your post and muttered something about bleeding heart liberals, but I agree with you all the way. Fuck those selfish assholes that would torture and end lives for a sandwich.JasonKaotic said:
The reason most people believe themselves to be superior to animals is simple. If natural selection said we were not superior, we would just let animals eat us.psyks said:
So yes, I consider the survival of my own species to be more important than the survival of other species.
There are several reasons, some of which I will mention below:
Animal suffering , obviously. If you, like me, acknowledge the fact that in suffering animals are our equals, knowing that millions of animals are slaughtered simply because we want to enjoy the luxury of eating meat is quite terrible.
The environment. That's right, the meat industry is extremely, preposterously bad for the environment. Pullulating, destruction of nature, the waste of huge masses of water and so forth.
And lastly, the industry itself is obsolete. This subject has been debated over the years. But in the end, there is plenty of evidence to support that a vegetarian lifestyle can be just as healthy, in many cases more healthy, than meat eating. And you can get by perfectly well on it. Really, people who still claim that vegans or vegetarians can't get enough protein only prove how out of touch with the scientific community they have become.
No, a more relevant question would be: Why are vegetarians met with so much criticism from society?
Some of the comments on this thread are just shocking. I wouldn't dream of forcing people to be vegetarians, or value the life of animals simply because there are scientific evidence to prove that the mammal brain is very similar when it comes to physical and psychological suffering. But at least have the decency in you not to joke about this subject.
Animal suffering , obviously. If you, like me, acknowledge the fact that in suffering animals are our equals, knowing that millions of animals are slaughtered simply because we want to enjoy the luxury of eating meat is quite terrible.
The environment. That's right, the meat industry is extremely, preposterously bad for the environment. Pullulating, destruction of nature, the waste of huge masses of water and so forth.
And lastly, the industry itself is obsolete. This subject has been debated over the years. But in the end, there is plenty of evidence to support that a vegetarian lifestyle can be just as healthy, in many cases more healthy, than meat eating. And you can get by perfectly well on it. Really, people who still claim that vegans or vegetarians can't get enough protein only prove how out of touch with the scientific community they have become.
No, a more relevant question would be: Why are vegetarians met with so much criticism from society?
Some of the comments on this thread are just shocking. I wouldn't dream of forcing people to be vegetarians, or value the life of animals simply because there are scientific evidence to prove that the mammal brain is very similar when it comes to physical and psychological suffering. But at least have the decency in you not to joke about this subject.
Agreed on both accounts! Well, I don't quite hold feelings THAT strong for chocolate ice cream, but I prefer not to eat it. Bananas on the other hand...Bobbity said:Some people dislike the taste of meat, and some find the thought of eating what was once a living creature abhorrent.
I'm a proud eater of meat, but I can kind of see where they're coming from. Or I could, if meat wasn't so bloody delicious
Don't worry, you're not aloneOnyx Oblivion said:
My sister is a veggie because she needs to get her teeth fixed but it's to late to fix then, so as a result chewing meal makes her gums hurt. She ended up just going all out veggie.
Another reason why you might not eat meat is because you are a member of PETA, just to mention that one.
Another reason why you might not eat meat is because you are a member of PETA, just to mention that one.
As a wise man once said: "Bacon strip. Bacon strip. Bacon strip." - Epic Mealtimepsyks said:
Also whoever calls animals evil for killing humans is a retard, that's what animals do, they kills things to survive, btw according to evolution intelligence gives us more right to live, we are adapted to living better so we win, haha suck it animal kingdom.
Oh no! The cows are herded up now they cant....urm...eat grass...and urm...shit everywhere....what a fulfilling life? Yeah...doesn't seem like that big of a loss, cows, pigs, chickens and sheep aren't interesting animals imo so I don't care if they die.
Finally stop assigning human values to everything, just because we wouldn't do that to humans doesn't mean it isn't okay to do to animals, the only reason we have a system in place like that is because THEY ARE OTHER HUMANS! Most predators won't eat each other but have no problem tearing apart other species
The majority of vegetables (to me) are disgusting (except for corn!).
Meat is delicious. Especially steak and chicken.
Meat is delicious. Especially steak and chicken.