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[Silvanus]

That was revoked in March, he wasn't given a deportation order until September, and the legal appeals are still ongoing. To my knowledge, he's still here, nearly a year later.

Kevin Nieto Contreras, who entered on the tourist visa and subsequently applied for asylum, was deported to CECOT. An asylum judge never ruled on his claim and a deportation order wasn't communicated to anyone.

What evidence are you expecting that something isn't happening? Pick literally any person we know about, they will also be recent entrants not legally processed yet or people who a judge signed off on their deportation. No matter how many of those we go through, it won't constitute evidence that it's literally every case. However, I'm making the firm statement that it's every one, all it would take to dispute me is a single example. I'm not omniscient, I can't know every case, but it is a perfectly reasonable inference based on the fact that every example the news gets riled up over fits those criteria that there aren't any heinously illegal cases for them to report. That's my whole reasoning. You find one lawful permanent resident deported without going through the whole court process to be deported, you win.

Your whole reasoning is that examples you've seen in the news so far haven't counted?

Firstly, you've added the "permanent resident" stipulation again, so dispense with that. Not only permanent residents are legally allowed to be in the United States. TPS holders, refugees, parolees, work permit holders, these all constitute being in the US legally. Countless holders of such statuses never went through any court process, never received any notification of it being revoked.

Take your pick.

 

[Chimpzy]

The sanctions against the ICC judges came about because of the warrant against Benjamin Netanyahu who is is not american and thus your point about the US trying their own criminals is pointless and deflection.

The American Service-Members Protection Act, aka Hague Invasion Act, is a US law that gives the president power to use "all means necessary and appropriate to bring about the release of any U.S. or allied personnel being detained or imprisoned by, on behalf of, or at the request of the International Criminal Court". It was signed in summer 2002 by Bush Jr during the war on terror/Afghanistan. I assume this is what Gergar is alluding to. The "US tries its own war criminals" is bosh of course. ASPA is a threat to dissuade foreign interference into US war crimes.

 

[BrawlMan]

MS Now Greenland & Venezuela

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[Satinavian]

To this, and all other related posts. You can get fired for wanting ICE to deport people and saiding it on LinkedIn, you can get fired for hating Trump on Facebook, don't post under your real name, and don't state politics based views near employers, and where employers can see it.

While that advice is very sound, I can not get fired for any of those, nor for local equivalents. Just as another example how free the speech in the US actually feels in practice.

 

[thebobmaster]

While that advice is very sound, I can not get fired for any of those, nor for local equivalents. Just as another example how free the speech in the US actually feels in practice.

Makes me think of a Cold War era joke. "We have freedom of speech in the Soviet Union much like yours in the United States. In the United States, you can stand on the White House lawn, yell 'Down with Reagan', and you will not be shot. In the Soviet Union, you can stand in front of the Kremlin, shout 'Down with Reagan', and you will not be shot."

 

[Gergar12]

Ok, for sake of argument, assuming that, why do you think that Venezuela won't turn into Afghanistan? Few people are going to complain if a US intervention leads to happiness and rainbows, it's just that there's justifiably doubt that it won't.

Because there isn't hardline religious people ruling over the country, or wanting to rule over the country.

 

[Gergar12]

We were talking about BRICS. Traditional BRICS is Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. Officially it is now significantly more, but the likes of North Korea don't even belong to it.

And i said, that BRICS is worse on average. But i also said not that much and that the US might fit right in. Do you really ICE is so much better than the police in India, Brazil or Indonesia ? Sure, it is bad there compared to western Europe. But does it look significantly better in the US ? I don't think so.


Iraq got ISIS running all over it thanks to the US invasion. Yes, ending ISIS in Iraq did benefit from help by primarily the US, Iran and Russia, sure. But that is just cleaning up the mess America made.

Of course after ISIS Iraq had fighting with the Kurdish separatists, several years of violent protests, an assassination attempt on the prime minister and a government crisis that also had violence but things have finally calmed down it seems. And no, that is not thanks to the US or its money. It took two decades to recover from the US invasion.

Nothing wrong ever happened based on the reports of the WH and the executive brach. Exactly as nothing wrong happens in China based on the reports of the CCP.

The disease was worst than the cure, Saddam killed many Shias, Kurds, and dissidents.

Also your right I should have said these countries, and their allies.

CRINK - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Gergar12]

The sanctions against the ICC judges came about because of the warrant against Benjamin Netanyahu who is is not american and thus your point about the US trying their own criminals is pointless and deflection.

But they were also sanctioend for wanting to investigate US personnel that served in Afghanistan, and Israel didn't ratified it either so the point is moot.

 

[Satinavian]

Makes me think of a Cold War era joke. "We have freedom of speech in the Soviet Union much like yours in the United States. In the United States, you can stand on the White House lawn, yell 'Down with Reagan', and you will not be shot. In the Soviet Union, you can stand in front of the Kremlin, shout 'Down with Reagan', and you will not be shot."

That is why i said "or local equivalents" to make it understood that equally strong/offensive statements based on local recipients and their sensibilities are covered as well.

People here just don't get fired for political opinions.

But they were also sanctioend for wanting to investigate US personnel that served in Afghanistan, and Israel didn't ratified it either so the point is moot.

Since the Nuremberg trials it is established that war criminals can be tried even by outsiders. That is what the US helped establish. And which eventually resulted in the ICC to make it formal. American exceptions for its own service members are quite irrelevant.

 

[tstorm823]

Kevin Nieto Contreras, who entered on the tourist visa and subsequently applied for asylum, was deported to CECOT. An asylum judge never ruled on his claim and a deportation order wasn't communicated to anyone.

Fair enough. That is a case I was unaware of where the Alien Enemies Act was used to do more than accelerate already happening processes to their inevitable outcome. I am not surprised I was unaware of that, as that individual is almost certainly at least a collaborator with Tren de Aragua, and nobody wants to get upset over actual gang members being deported. But you did what I requested, he was in fact in the country on a visa without a deportation order. Kudos.

 

[Silvanus]

that individual is almost certainly at least a collaborator with Tren de Aragua

On what basis?

 

[Gergar12]

That is why i said "or local equivalents" to make it understood that equally strong/offensive statements based on local recipients and their sensibilities are covered as well.

People here just don't get fired for political opinions.

Since the Nuremberg trials it is established that war criminals can be tried even by outsiders. That is what the US helped establish. And which eventually resulted in the ICC to make it formal. American exceptions for its own service members are quite irrelevant.

The US has a good history of investigating, and trying it's own war criminals in military, and oftentimes civilian courts including foreign courts for veterans, and active duty personal. It doesn't do so for nonsense political reasons, or for a domestic game of thrones style reason like China and Russia. Does it get it right 100% of the time no, but if only US military officials, and not CRINKs officials were tried that would mean the US military would be paralysized with nonsense investigations. Is that realist yes, but it's also practical, and good in the long run.

While that advice is very sound, I can not get fired for any of those, nor for local equivalents. Just as another example how free the speech in the US actually feels in practice.

That happened in Australia too, and in the UK you can arrested by the government for expressing abnormal(racist, anti-islam, anti-muslim, anti-hindu, anti-Indian, etc.), but still poltical views. In Australia there was someone who couldn't get a job at any multi-national company because they openly protested against the Chinese government his name was Drew Pavlou, yes that X poster who posts about NATO, Ukraine, Israel, etc.

You have the freedom of speech away from government interference, not private ones. Granted I don't agree with that either, but both left, and right have used it against each other, and have used it against centrists too.

Nether is optimal, but the US is still the country with the most free speech.

 

[Gergar12]

MS Now Greenland & Venezuela

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So I am in full agreement with... Marco Rubio's position. We want to possibly buy Greenland, and while I think the logic of the Danes is solid that new land right now can't be made so their is a zero percent chance minus a miracle that the Danes will give it up, if we were to invade Greenland, and take it, I would be opposed to it, and the first thing I would want a new administration to do after undoing a few of Trump's executive orders is to give it the fuck back.

Do I want Greenland yes, but I also want a better world after we eliminate dictatorships around the world, and the EU and NATO are instrumental at that. Even with climate change no one in the US wants to live there, and I hope this Is just strongarming to get the Danes to get US troops more access, and get CRINKs out of there.

Denmark hasn't murdered their opposition, they may have immigration laws I disagree with, but capturing Greenland natural resources juice isn't worth the blowing up of NATO squeeze not to mention it makes the world that much worse. Evenutally a more rational country may come up with a wrong concussions that rationally concludes the US isn't the better partner than whatever comes after CRINKs, and while I think the US could have a few hundred more years of success like most strong super powers, eventually the wheel of empiredom must end with us with the blocs joining together to form a single state.

 

[tstorm823]

On what basis?

Actually, on further consideration, it's probably dumber than even that.

My previous claim was based on the story of being kidnapped by Tren de Aragua in Colorado, claiming he was just going out to help someone change a tire, which sounds like the sort of lie an 8-year-old would think up, hoping that claiming they were being noble will help sell their lie about what they were really doing. The ransom demanded was $2000, which is a laughably small amount to commit a crime worth like 10 years in jail. The case was solved by calling a Venezuelan police officer, which doesn't make any sense, and I can't find any record of the alleged convictions, which is surprising for an event that they say "never happened there before". That's just not remotely believable. Add in the eventual drug charges, likely scenario is that they were trying to buy or sell drugs. My mistake is suggesting they are tied specifically to Tren de Aragua, since that more likely is just another part of the lie they've crafted to cover up the drug dealing/abuse.

 

[Satinavian]

The US has a good history of investigating, and trying it's own war criminals in military, and oftentimes civilian courts including foreign courts for veterans, and active duty personal. It doesn't do so for nonsense political reasons, or for a domestic game of thrones style reason like China and Russia. Does it get it right 100% of the time no, but if only US military officials, and not CRINKs officials were tried that would mean the US military would be paralysized with nonsense investigations. Is that realist yes, but it's also practical, and good in the long run.

The ICC already has a warrant out for Putin.
They absolutely don't shy away from CRINK officials. And they should also pursue US official, e.g. Hegseth at al. for the boat stunt.

Also CRINK is not an alliance. Or even an organization. It is a bunch of pariah states without much choice in trading partners and China which is happy to exploit their predicament with unfair deals and throw political weight around by proxy. It's purely opportunistic and transactional, not based on any common values or even goals and every member sans China would take other options if it wasn't sanctioned anymore.
Basically it is an acronym some Westerners came up with about states they don't like, nothing more.

You have the freedom of speech away from government interference, not private ones.

Yes, that is how freedom of speech/freedom of opinion generally work legally.

And still, if someone tried to fire me for for my political speech/opinion, i could easily sue for wrongful termination and would automatically win.

That is why this whole "let's tell the employers what person X/Y said on their Twitter to get them fired" just doesn't exist here.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The ICC already has a warrant out for Putin.
They absolutely don't shy away from CRINK officials. And they should also pursue US official, e.g. Hegseth at al. for the boat stunt.

Also CRINK is not an alliance. Or even an organization. It is a bunch of pariah states without much choice in trading partners and China which is happy to exploit their predicament with unfair deals and throw political weight around by proxy. It's purely opportunistic and transactional, not based on any common values or even goals and every member sans China would take other options if it wasn't sanctioned anymore.
Basically it is an acronym some Westerners came up with about states they don't like, nothing more.

Yes, that is how freedom of speech/freedom of opinion generally work legally.

And still, if someone tried to fire me for for my political speech/opinion, i could easily sue for wrongful termination and would automatically win.

That is why this whole "let's tell the employers what person X/Y said on their Twitter to get them fired" just doesn't exist here.

Funny to bring up freedom from government interference.

 

[Silvanus]

Actually, on further consideration, it's probably dumber than even that.

My previous claim was based on the story of being kidnapped by Tren de Aragua in Colorado, claiming he was just going out to help someone change a tire, which sounds like the sort of lie an 8-year-old would think up, hoping that claiming they were being noble will help sell their lie about what they were really doing. The ransom demanded was $2000, which is a laughably small amount to commit a crime worth like 10 years in jail. The case was solved by calling a Venezuelan police officer, which doesn't make any sense, and I can't find any record of the alleged convictions, which is surprising for an event that they say "never happened there before". That's just not remotely believable.

So incredulity, then, and an assumption that the source I provided is lying.

Add in the eventual drug charges, likely scenario is that they were trying to buy or sell drugs. My mistake is suggesting they are tied specifically to Tren de Aragua, since that more likely is just another part of the lie they've crafted to cover up the drug dealing/abuse.

Possession of a small amount of a prohibited substance in a nightclub, to which he pled guilty and didn't lead to jail time = must be a drug dealer?

 

[XsjadoBlaydette]

now trump has been saying all the quiet parts loud, would hope people can be less prone to dismiss the brutal reality of American (and western in many ways) neolcolonial empire and maybe question their own exceptionalism and where it comes from. Patriotism is a state-mandated mental illness nurtured to throttle critical thinking.

Julian, Travis, and Jake ring in the new year by chatting about the deluge of disinformation and AI slop created in the wake of the brazen U.S. abduction of Venezuelan leader Nicolás Maduro. We interview The Empire Files journalist Abby Martin about her on-the-ground reporting in Venezuela. Plus, Julian reveals the darkest secret of his family line.

Abby Martin https://x.com/AbbyMartin

The Empire Files / @empirefiles

Earth’s Greatest Enemy: A Film by Abby Martin https://earthsgreatestenemy.com/

 

[Chimpzy]

U.S. Senate rejects Trump’s military threats against Venezuela with war powers vote

The U.S. Senate advanced a resolution Thursday that would limit President Donald Trump’s ability to conduct further attacks against Venezuela, sounding a note of disapproval for his expanding ambitions in the Western Hemisphere.

www.ctvnews.ca

"Considers" doing a lot of heavy lifting in that headline

 

[tstorm823]

Possession of a small amount of a prohibited substance in a nightclub, to which he pled guilty and didn't lead to jail time = must be a drug dealer?

Or addict, one of the two.