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[Gergar12]

To my knowledge China has a grand total of 0 warships in the Atlantic. That's not a serious concern for military strategy.

As for Cuba, they have done literally nothing other than suffer under a blockade for longer than most people have been alive. Let them trade and see if they can beat the Soviet Union, because that's what did them in. Being a tyrant yourself because you want to wank off military tech is definitely not the answer.

Havana syndrome - Wikipedia

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They attacked US diplomatic staff just like Iran.

Edit: Regarding China...

China’s Growing Influence in Latin America | Council on Foreign Relations

For more than two decades, China has developed close economic and security ties with many Latin American countries, including Brazil, Peru, and Venezuela. But Beijing’s increasing sway in the region continues to raise concerns in Washington, prompting greater U.S. engagement.

www.cfr.org

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Havana syndrome - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They attacked US diplomatic staff just like Iran.

No they didn't, that is absolutely spies in a stressful situation getting headaches and blaming the Cubans. Assuming it's not just hangovers. Absolute conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

[Gergar12]

No they didn't, that is absolutely spies in a stressful situation getting headaches and blaming the Cubans. Assuming it's not just hangovers. Absolute conspiracy theory nonsense.

It's still under investigation, and there are ways to do cause Havana syndrome with various sound based weapons. If I had you locked in a room with loud music, and told you to sleep you wouldn't be able to sleep that well vs no loud music.

Plus Cuban soldiers also fired at US troops in Venezuela, and Fidel wanted a nuclear war just like Mao in the Cold War for a period of time, the US will likely never let that go.

 

[thebobmaster]

Well to put in context the US despite threatening it to annex land hasn't done it so it's more of a threat and a you better spend more on Arctic defense or else. And also we hold elections, Zohran won in New York CIty, and the Hong Kong protesters got arrested. There is a contrast between that.

Oh, we've only THREATENED to annex land from multiple countries and launched an unsanctioned attack on Venezuela that, in your mind, was justified because it was a dictatorship that may have possibly sided with China at some point. And also Cuba must be dealt with because all dictators are bad except the ones in the good old US of A.



Your hypocrisy or lack of self-awareness, whichever the case, makes this a pointless debate to continue. I bid this debate done on my end, and hope you don't see the war you are so eager to see happen.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

It's still under investigation, and there are ways to do cause Havana syndrome with various sound based weapons. If I had you locked in a room with loud music, and told you to sleep you wouldn't be able to sleep that well vs no loud music.

Plus Cuban soldiers also fired at US troops in Venezuela, and Fidel wanted a nuclear war just like Mao in the Cold War for a period of time, the US will likely never let that go.

One of the first cases of "Havana syndrome" was a guy who went bar hopping with Russians and woke up nauseous, dizzy, and with a headache.
Gee, I wonder what could have caused that? Havana syndrome is a joke, the wikipedia article you posted is a giant list of "nobody believes this is anything". Twice the US intelligence community looked into it and find the idea that it's any sort of foreign action extremely unlikely at best.
You can't point to any good reason why America should be bombing these places. All you have is farcical paranoid wankery.

 

[Gergar12]

Oh, we've only THREATENED to annex land from multiple countries and launched an unsanctioned attack on Venezuela that, in your mind, was justified because it was a dictatorship that may have possibly sided with China at some point. And also Cuba must be dealt with because all dictators are bad except the ones in the good old US of A.

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Your hypocrisy or lack of self-awareness, whichever the case, makes this a pointless debate to continue. I bid this debate done on my end, and hope you don't see the war you are so eager to see happen.

The thing that is different about the US is that we can criticize anything and everything without being in a jail cell unlike gestures at most of BRICs, and BRIC's adjacent countries.

I am not eager to see any war, I am eager to see an end to dictatorships which this one of that has been ended.

 

[Gergar12]

One of the first cases of "Havana syndrome" was a guy who went bar hopping with Russians and woke up nauseous, dizzy, and with a headache.
Gee, I wonder what could have caused that? Havana syndrome is a joke, the wikipedia article you posted is a giant list of "nobody believes this is anything". Twice the US intelligence community looked into it and find the idea that it's any sort of foreign action extremely unlikely at best.
You can't point to any good reason why America should be bombing these places. All you have is farcical paranoid wankery.

"Plus Cuban soldiers also fired at US troops in Venezuela, and Fidel wanted a nuclear war just like Mao in the Cold War for a period of time, the US will likely never let that go."

 

[crimson5pheonix]

"Plus Cuban soldiers also fired at US troops in Venezuela, and Fidel wanted a nuclear war just like Mao in the Cold War for a period of time, the US will likely never let that go."

Fidel is dead and has been dead for years. And wanting a nuclear war still isn't anything even if true. As for shooting US troops, Israel has directly bombed US citizens and we give them money for it. Not persuasive.

 

[Gergar12]

Fidel is dead and has been dead for years. And wanting a nuclear war still isn't anything even if true. As for shooting US troops, Israel has directly bombed US citizens and we give them money for it. Not persuasive.

Israel is opposed by the left, liberals, right populists, and neo-nazis. Also the Communist Party of Cuba is still in power. And I suspect we will be bombing FIdel's grave as well, but that's just the cherry ontop of getting rid of another dictatorship whose people fled in boats just to avoid their rule.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

Israel is opposed by the left, liberals, right populists, and neo-nazis. Also the Communist Party of Cuba is still in power. And I suspect we will be bombing FIdel's grave as well, but that's just the cherry ontop of getting rid of another dictatorship whose people fled in boats just to avoid their rule.

Sure whatever, I'm just hopeful you aren't any sort of military decision maker.

 

[Seanchaidh]

Havana couple of beers

 

[Gergar12]

Sure whatever, I'm just hopeful you aren't any sort of military decision maker.

I am not. They want people who are level-headed, and reliability unbiased on this issue. Say what you want about Rubio the senate voted him in 99-0. Even Bernie Sanders voted for him. And he's proven he very good at his job. I also don't need to be power to have what I want, ultimately I am one vote, and my views are baked in to the US establishment, and here they are right.

 

[Seanchaidh]

And he's proven he very good at his job.

He's a piece of shit.

 

[Gergar12]

He's a piece of shit.

No US servicemember died in this attack, and he's advancing US interests. He's making the world better by eliminating dictatorships left, and right. With conservative, and left ideologies.

 

[Thaluikhain]

No US servicemember died in this attack,

None would have died if there wasn't an attack either.

 

[Gergar12]

None would have died if there wasn't an attack either.

Then the dictator couple would still be in power. It's like none of you guys ever lived in a dictatorship runed country. It ranges from it's brutal IE North Korea, to a state of fear, and paralysis IE PRC China. We can talk about the US being democratically held accountable for what crimes the UN thinks the US is responsible for AFTER the dictarships of the worst types of governments fall. Hell at that point I would personally be in favor of climate dividends to end climate change, rights to water, right to not be starved, and the right to healthcare, but the dictatorships come first. WIthout them anything good the US does it would be taken advantaged of, and undermined.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

None would have died if there wasn't an attack either.

Not to mention all the civilians killed in the attack. The ones we're protecting, of course.

 

[Gergar12]

Not to mention all the civilians killed in the attack. The ones we're protecting, of course.

32 Cubans died those are the bodyguards of Maduro, and while it's tragic for anyone to die they put themselves there, and were torturing venzualian military officials that were seen as being disloyal, or possibly traitorous. They were not well liked. The rest of which a majority were likely the actual military in that regime who likely fired back, again even more tragic but they were in helping Maduro ruin his country. As for the unknown number of civilians yeah that is tragic, and I wish that didn't happen, and I hope their deaths weren't in vain and that their country can be free, and prosper. That being said myself as a US voter in whatever role I can I am sorry they die, and I hope they rest in peace.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

Also I do see a world free of tyrants, we could literally see a world like the 1990s again without all the conservative social and racial crap of that era. We could see no Xi, Putin, Kim. GIven the fact that Maduro is gone, and the Mullahs are possibly about to go with them I see no reason why we can't devise a firing solution for regime change in other countries.

You mean all of the people that Trump likes, is friends with, and whose ideologies he loves?

Yeah, we're not getting rid of them.

What Trump wants most of all in his tiny putrid little heart is to be a dictator.

And what the fuck are you talking about regarding the 90s? There were absolutely dictatorships in the 90s, they aren't a new thing. Hell, Kim was a dictator in the 90s.

 

[Satinavian]

No US servicemember died in this attack, and he's advancing US interests.

Over 90 people died in the attack. But i assume those don't matter, because only US citizens are real people, right ? That Venezuelan lives are worthless has been obvious since the series of events of blowing fisherman to bits for fun.

And that is not even new. Trump bombed more countries in a year than any other president, including those in the world wars. And Biden and Obama regularly attacked without care for civillian caualties as well. I really hope the next US military action is a mass failure with hundreds of US casualties. That might hopefully finally get the US to reconsider.