Venting About Valve Again
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Yes, it's true that I made mistakes because I'm not a fucking computer genius, but isn't the point of Steam supposed to be ease-of-use? These kinds of user errors shouldn't be this easy, and the fact that I don't know the inside of my computer tower like the back of my hand shouldn't render me incapable of using such a basic service.Wolverine18 said:
Okay, wasn't it a given that you already lost your items once your email had gone defunct? That's not Steam's fault really it's yours for letting an important email address tied to money and property die.
Also i'm pretty sure most PC gamers know that while a game may not work immediately, any problem can usually be solved by a quick google search. It's pretty rare for me to have a PC game that works automatically without having to make a few tweaks. Also it's generally up to the consumer to make sure the product works on their computer, whenever you buy a retail PC game I always get asked whether I know my pc and specs are up to scratch to play the game. The same generally goes for online.
Also i'm pretty sure most PC gamers know that while a game may not work immediately, any problem can usually be solved by a quick google search. It's pretty rare for me to have a PC game that works automatically without having to make a few tweaks. Also it's generally up to the consumer to make sure the product works on their computer, whenever you buy a retail PC game I always get asked whether I know my pc and specs are up to scratch to play the game. The same generally goes for online.
Well, I've looked around the internet for a bit (i.e. I ran two searches on Google), and I've managed to come up with 3 potential solutions for this issue:bigfatcarp93 said:
1.Restart Steam (fairly obvious).
2.The complicated way [http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showpost.php?p=26798133&postcount=4].
This will solve a bug that's apparently affecting a number of older games on Steam. However, if you don't plan on playing a whole lot of those, you can ignore this, and try the next thing.
3.The easy way. [http://kentie.net/article/dxguide/index.htm#downloads]
This is a mod that is pretty much essential for running Deus Ex on a modern system, and you should install it anyway.
Hope that helps.
It really wouldn't be that interesting. Just go look at the ToS changes thread for each, where they included the clauses about no more class action suits.MasochisticAvenger said:
EA was hailed as Satan, and Valve was applauded as making a smart business move.
It's beyond cringe worthy.
In order:PercyBoleyn said:
It rewards the user by having useful properties to the app.
You dont have to buy any of your games through steam, its your choice to use this third party to save you money.
The day my legal rights are voided ill get upset, until then i have every reason to believe they wont be.
Steam does work at rather effective DRM, im gonna use anicdotal evidence but the cheapness of sales means my few very pirate-y friends actually buy games to use on steam rather than pirate them. It helps me through the many positive aspects ive already listed that i wouldnt get had i just gone to the shop and bought it on CD.
You need to be online once to validate your game for offline play. You say that doesnt count as offline but seeing as you need to download the games through steam to use steam youre gonna need internet anyway. Steam is for people with internet, internet long enough to download a game. If you dont have ANY internet you cant use steam. If you have some internet download a game, leave the internet up for a few mins after it downloads and offline play is yours. I mean saying its unfair you need internet to use an online provider is a bit silly. The constant internet isnt required to play your games, offline mode does exist.
I can choose not to use steam if i wish, the third party app is optional i can always go buy a game on CD. I can choose to use steam to download single player games, validate them once and then use offline mode forever. The internet part is optional. Honestly no one is being forced to do anything anywhere. Its always a consumers choice.
I don't like Valve, but your reasoning seems flawed. Surely you should be hating on the for repeating a tired formula, only ever making half a game (and charging you full price for it) and throwing shitty little scraps to fans to keep them sweet, while not actually bringing them anything they wanted.
Liking the games but having a bad experience of steam purchasing is not why you shouldn't like Valve.
Liking the games but having a bad experience of steam purchasing is not why you shouldn't like Valve.
I was going to say. I've done this several times with no issues.dangoball said:
Sucks to be OP I guess.
As my buddy Rich would say, this is a case of PICNIC.
Problem In Chair, Not In Computer.
Saving me money and connecting me with friends easily is a rewardPercyBoleyn said:
Havnt said it was bad when other companies do it, bit of a strawman, i have nothing against origin. Dont assume i hold an opinion no matter how common.
Well i dont live outside the EU. Thus my rights havnt been voided. Im sad for those that do. Valve could improve this. Steam is far from perfect. But its good.
Youve admited further down its DRM, lemme quote you:
"validate them in the first place? Isn't that DRM?"
You admited that its DRM. It prevents piracy because bought and registered games work while pirated games dont work on steam. People want to use steam because steam rewards you for using it by giving you good deals on games. This is better than nothing and the games are cheap and installation is handled for you. It encourages buying the game over pirating it. Pirates lose out on using the steam ap for their game to update and use as a communication device as well as having to manually install. It makes it EASIER for a real consumer by doing a lot of the work for you and making life simpler.
All of the above
Again i have no issues with other software. I just have no desire to do this. So for me subjectively steam is perfectly fine. You want install games on multiple computers thats perfectly possible. If you do it from CD you DONT have to link them to steam. Thats optional.
Who are you talking about? Is it me? I have no criticism especially for Uplay and Origin i dont have for other things. I dont mind these pieces of software. I have no idea why you assigned me with that opinion. If others show this hypocracy take it up with them. I have zero issue.
Look. To be FORCED to use steam you gotta download from steam. If you buy a CD (for example "the Ball" like i did) you DONT need to connect it to steam to play it. It can be played offline without steam. If you download it from steam it downloads, the internet runs for 5 more seconds and POOF instant validation. Then you use offline play. The answer is quite simply that you dont. You are talking about people who physically cannot exist. This issue cannot arise because its an impossible scenario. There is no way to be FORCED to use steam without having a 5 second internet connection to easily validate it for you and then allow you to use infinite offline play. Offline play can and should be improved. Valve should work on that. I find it to be a non issue because i dont need it.
Objectively steam has some issues. I can understand why some wouldnt want it. Subjectively for me and a LOT of gamers these issues just dont exist. As such we have no complaints.
1.If you have no internet and no steam you can play your CD games normally.
2.If you have no internet and steam games you downloaded can use offline mode. If you dont have internet to validate a CD game resort to 1.
3.If you have the internet and steam you can play your games.
Offline works only connected to the internet? "Googles"... seems to me a single instance of running these games only the once will enable the use of offline play. This includes if you have no internet connection right from launch. You gotta connect once, switch to offline mode while online just the once and then offline mode will be the default. I gotta admit its complicated and unnecessary. That could do with some fixing up.
I can play my games without steam? Oblivion and my Dawn of war series are available through steam but i got the CD and installed seperately. Thats very easily done. Unless what youre saying is why cant you choose not to use the steam app for games you got on steam. Offline mode basically allows this. But yeah. You download it within the steam framework and you play it on steam. Ill concede that maybe this is pointless. I dont really understand why you wouldnt wanna use the steam app but ok yeah there isnt a reason why games downloaded on steam need to be played on steam other than DRM issues. Valve realises this is a bad thing. This is why they need to improve steam to compensate by making the app a useful and cheap shop.
Games isnt me. I dont mind DRM if it isnt overly intrusive and annoying. The rewards for their DRM far outwiegh the hoops which seem to consist of:
1. Have internet one time when you install the game.
2. Use the ap.
Which to be honest is two very small hoops. Steam isnt perfect, i have no issues with origin and subjectively steam does everything i want and offers very little in the way of issues. Its perfect for me. In some scenarios it is NOT for you. Coming from that place i can imagine why you would say steam is bad. The chances of you being in this scenario are very very very low.
Dude, you've been going back and forth for a while now. Give it up. He doesn't have to justify himself to you. He enjoys the things he calls benefits, I enjoy the things he calls benefits. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean he's wrong or that you're wrong. No one is going to start or stop using Steam from this conversation.PercyBoleyn said:
Funny. If I didn't know any better I'd swear I'm currently playing a game from my Steam account...right now...after loading Steam into offline mode. (no, I didn't start in online mode then go into offline mode. that complaint has never made sense to me because I can always boot into offline mode and play.)PercyBoleyn said:
Are you sure you're not confusing Steam with that online-only shit-fest Diablo 3? I mean, I suppose I could see how one could confuse the two. They're both made by high-profile PC-centric software companies and both were designed from the ground up to function as stores.
Captcha: Ball of confusion
Yes Captcha. I do believe there is some confusion going on here.
Wait...........what? You deleted your Steam games from your computer but you're using a new Steam account so you'd have to buy them again? That's not Valve/Steams fault. That's yours. Why can't you just log into your other account? Because that email address is now defunct? Again, not their fault.