Venting About Valve Again

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bigfatcarp93

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Some of you may remember me as the guy who spent the entire weekend bitching about Valve stealing my money over Steam. Well, the situation has been resolved, though I must say that the manner in which it was resolved, i.e. Valve stealing an additional $30 from me, erasing my hard work, stealing content which I had already bought from them, and basically spitting in my face every time I try to contact them or fix the situation, was less than pleasent.

I'm not asking for help, or pity, or sympathy. I just wanted the world to know that I had been betrayed by a company I once loved and respected, and that I hope Gabe Newell chokes to death on his own sweat in this hot weather.

Fuck Valve forever.

Sincerely, Jack Carpenter.
 

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Andrewtheeviscerator said:
What, wait? I have no idea what happened. Care to explain?
*listens to MoS' 'Little Sister' song to remain calm while explaining*

Alright, a few days ago I was suddenly inspired to play the Deus Ex series based on how good Human Revolution looked... and, indeed, how awesome "The New Black Gold" was. So, I had this quaint little idea to download the original over Steam and try to blast through it over the week. I was really looking forward to it.

So, I went on Steam and found the GOTY edition, even better. I had to set up a new Steam profile to buy it, because my old E-Mail was defunct. Fair enough. So, that takes about twenty minutes, and I gladly shell out $10 on the game and sit through a few minutes of download. I'm quite happy: low price, quick download, and a game I'm very optimistic about as my evening's entertainment. But, lo and behold, the game is suddenly nowhere to be found on my computer.

So, I go through the obvious checklist: check Steam Libray, check Games, check Downloads, try in vain to contact Steam for help, start thread on Escapist fuming about Valve, get tidal wave of unsolicited, yet appreciated, advice, finally get contacted by Steam, fix problem.

Ultimately, I had to uninstall Steam and reinstall it. This meant deleting the two Steam games already on my PC: Half-Life and TF2. I figured this was no huge deal if I could finally get to Deus Ex: a game I had never played before for two games I had played at nauseum. Fine. I mean, I could download TF2 again for free.

So, I did it. And now, GUESS FUCKING WHAT? Deus Ex is on my computer, but won't fucking play. And yeah, I got TF2 again, but I forgot all my items, which are now lost. Including several very rare ones. So, I am out:

-$9.99 for Deus Ex.
-$9.99 for Half-Life.
-1 copy of half-Life plus save data.
-$20.00 worth of TF2 items.
-An entire weekend of potential happiness.

Now, I also can't contact Steam. Awesome.

Captcha: gernonimo. Not fucking funny.
 

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You should have gotten Deus Ex on GOG, same GOTY edition but DRM free and includes the awesome soundtrack, along with some other things I don't care about, also they have good customer service and the community tends to be really helpful when something doesn't work, really every time you want an old game try looking there first as they tend to have cool little extras.

As for steam, it tends to not work well on my PC for some bizarre reason, also I'm without Internet very often so the fact that Steam offline didn't work [small](No idea if it works now)[/small] made me automatically hate it, and since then I refuse to buy on steam, fortunately the games I bought were on an Indie Bundle so have them DRM free, but seriously hate Steam, but I do like Valve games, and I would never wish any evil on Gabe Newell, he's a cool guy.
 

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Technically you where responsible for the loss of your Half-Life and TF2 saves.
As for Dues ex are you sure it wasn't on your hard drive. In my Steam directory all the non-source games are in a different sub folder to the source-engine games such as Half Life and TF2.

Also you should correct the title. you're venting about Steam not valve.
 

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Alternative said:
Technically you where responsible for the loss of your Half-Life and TF2 saves.
As for Dues ex are you sure it wasn't on your hard drive. In my Steam directory all the non-source games are in a different sub folder to the source-engine games such as Half Life and TF2.

Also you should correct the title. you're venting about Steam not valve.
I don't think you understand: I have the game on my computer, I can find it easily. It just doesn't play. And "venting about Steam" sounds like a bad pun. Besides, Valve made Steam so this is their fault.
 

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I don't know about TF2 items, but you are aware games you buy on steam remain on your account even if you uninstall Steam, right? I've done it multiple times, even switching from a PC to a Mac, and all my games have still been in the download section. It sounds to me like you did something wrong there.

Edit: Just did some digging online, and people seem to be saying you keep your TF2 items even if you uninstall Steam. Unless I'm missing something here.
 

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bigfatcarp93 said:
Alternative said:
Technically you where responsible for the loss of your Half-Life and TF2 saves.
As for Dues ex are you sure it wasn't on your hard drive. In my Steam directory all the non-source games are in a different sub folder to the source-engine games such as Half Life and TF2.

Also you should correct the title. you're venting about Steam not valve.
I don't think you understand: I have the game on my computer, I can find it easily. It just doesn't play. And "venting about Steam" sounds like a bad pun. Besides, Valve made Steam so this is their fault.
I meant the first time you downloaded it, also i missed the pun in "venting about steam" at first. Mostly because this being a gaming forum I associated Steam with the gaming service and not the H20 gas kind.

MasochisticAvenger said:
Just did some digging online, and people seem to be saying you keep your TF2 items even if you uninstall Steam. Unless I'm missing something here.
I think this is a mixture of Steam error and user error.
I've found steam to be a fairly buggy system but i've never had it delete games from my account.
 

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MasochisticAvenger said:
I don't know about TF2 items, but you are aware games you buy on steam remain on your account even if you uninstall Steam, right? I've done it multiple times, even switching from a PC to a Mac, and all my games have still been in the download section. It sounds to me like you did something wrong there.

Edit: Just did some digging online, and people seem to be saying you keep your TF2 items even if you uninstall Steam. Unless I'm missing something here.
I'm on a DIFFERENT account, though. That's the whole reason I had to uninstall Steam in the first place.
 

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bigfatcarp93 said:
I'm on a DIFFERENT account, though. That's the whole reason I had to uninstall Steam in the first place.
Wasn't the reason you had to create a new account your email had stopped working? In that case, what you lost really wasn't the fault of Steam at all. Depending on what caused the email to stop working, you could argue the email client is at fault.

Alternative said:
MasochisticAvenger said:
Just did some digging online, and people seem to be saying you keep your TF2 items even if you uninstall Steam. Unless I'm missing something here.
I think this is a mixture of Steam error and user error.
I've found steam to be a fairly buggy system but i've never had it delete games from my account.
The original poster had to create a new account because his email address was no longer working. I'm not sure why he cannot simply log back into his old account.
 

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And that, my dear escapists, is why most internet services ask for a backup email address.
And you can set your new email as contact address for your old Steam acc. Just saying.
 

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Bhaalspawn said:
Finally the gamer attitude of "I'm not responsible for my own stupid mistakes" comes full circle against gaming's favorite snuggle-bunny.

I want everyone to know that I called it!
People have always bitched about Valve. You just don't see it as often, since so many people love and religiously defend them.

Honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been a mass amount of comments blasting the OP for speaking negatively about Valve. I mean, aside from the Original Poster himself, the comments have been rather mature.

I think someone should do a test. Come up with two similar scenarios - one involving Steam/Valve and one involving EA/Origin - and see what the comments for each are like. It would be interesting, if nothing else.
 

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bigfatcarp93 said:
Ultimately, I had to uninstall Steam and reinstall it. This meant deleting the two Steam games already on my PC: Half-Life and TF2.
Every Steam game that you have installed is located in a folder called Steamapps. If you have to reinstall Steam, for whatever reason, you can just move the Steamapps folder somewhere else, to avoid deletion, then bring it back in place, after installation, and you're good to go.

So, I did it. And now, GUESS FUCKING WHAT? Deus Ex is on my computer, but won't fucking play.
Why? Do you receive an error message, does it crash, what exactly is going on?

And yeah, I got TF2 again, but I forgot all my items, which are now lost. Including several very rare ones. So, I am out:

-$9.99 for Deus Ex.
-$9.99 for Half-Life.
-1 copy of half-Life plus save data.
-$20.00 worth of TF2 items.
-An entire weekend of potential happiness.
You don't lose your TF2 items when you uninstall the game (except maybe for those who are playing F2P, but don't quote me on that). They're there, maybe it's just taking Steam too long to refresh your inventory.

Now, I also can't contact Steam. Awesome.
Why can't you?
 

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bigfatcarp93 said:
I had to set up a new Steam profile to buy it, because my old E-Mail was defunct.
There's your problem with the TF2, the items still exist just with your old account.

This meant deleting the two Steam games already on my PC: Half-Life and TF2.
I'm guessing you didn't back them up? There is an option for that in the Steam menu.

You are going to have to get Valve to combine your accounts together, good luck with that.

So, I go through the obvious checklist: check Steam Libray, check Games, check Downloads
Did you check any other folders in the main Steam folder? my copy of Deus Ex was located in this path C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common.

GUESS FUCKING WHAT? Deus Ex is on my computer, but won't fucking play.
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1233407

It's amazing what you can find using google, this was one of the first links to come up. Apparently 12 year old games don't run too well on modern computers.

Hope this was of some use, good luck on combining your accounts!
 

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I wouldn't bash Steam on the Escapist OP. Gaben's cock is deep in this one. People are quick to forget just how full of shit Valve is in general.
Can you tell us why valve is full of shit? I couldnt care less about gabe. I just enjoy their games and have a LOT of money saved on steam. Thats reason enough for me as a consumer to like them.

I would have copied my "steam" folder into my external hard drive before i did this. Id also keep better track of my emails, i have a single "@gmail" email that i use for all games and facebook that is utterly seperate from my personal email for this exact reason. Valve have always contacts me promptly. This is really weird.
 

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MasochisticAvenger said:
Honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been a mass amount of comments blasting the OP for speaking negatively about Valve. I mean, aside from the Original Poster himself, the comments have been rather mature.
Sorry to disappoint but I guess I'll have to be the first "immature" guy to point out that this whole thing is more on the OP's shoulders than on Steam's.

And the entire problem starts at:
bigfatcarp93 said:
So, I went on Steam and found the GOTY edition, even better. I had to set up a new Steam profile to buy it, because my old E-Mail was defunct. Fair enough.
What was "defunct" about your original profile that it literally prevented you from playing games? You can change the email attached to your existing Steam account by going through the settings, and that doesn't take long. And your email shouldn't prevent you from purchasing a game on Steam.

Your entire story hinges on the notion that you needed a brand new account to buy this game, but I'm not sure you've really explained why you needed a new account at all. And you know that in Steam's Terms of Service, they don't do account mergers, right? So now you're stuck with two separate accounts when you might not have even needed the second one.

So, that takes about twenty minutes, and I gladly shell out $10 on the game and sit through a few minutes of download. I'm quite happy: low price, quick download, and a game I'm very optimistic about as my evening's entertainment. But, lo and behold, the game is suddenly nowhere to be found on my computer.
Did you doublecheck which account you were logged into? If you were seeing options for all of your old games but not Deus Ex, then you were just on the wrong login. Remember that Steam isn't aware of multiple accounts, and will only identify games that it has in this particular account's library. So if you're logged into Account 1, you see only the games owned by Account 1, and none of the games owned by Account 2.

So, I go through the obvious checklist: check Steam Libray, check Games, check Downloads, try in vain to contact Steam for help, start thread on Escapist fuming about Valve, get tidal wave of unsolicited, yet appreciated, advice, finally get contacted by Steam, fix problem.
You started fuming at Steam/Valve this quickly? I usually wait until I've actually made sure that I've done everything correctly first. Save rage for when it's merited.

The first and most obvious course of action should have been to log out of Steam and then log back in using the new account information. Did you do this? Did you try logging in through a web browser instead and looking at your game info that way? There's a lot of things you could have tried before what you did next.

Ultimately, I had to uninstall Steam and reinstall it. This meant deleting the two Steam games already on my PC: Half-Life and TF2. I figured this was no huge deal if I could finally get to Deus Ex: a game I had never played before for two games I had played at nauseum. Fine. I mean, I could download TF2 again for free.
Why? You can copy your save-files with relative ease. Just locate where they are stored (sometimes it's in the Steam directory, and sometimes in My Documents) and copy them to another location on the computer, or to a flash drive/external HDD if you have one.

So, I did it. And now, GUESS FUCKING WHAT? Deus Ex is on my computer, but won't fucking play.
This is the first thing you've said that actually sounds like it might be a Steam problem, since this has been reported in the past. On the other hand, there's a thread on the Steam forums full of people registering this same complaint so it might not have hurt to check their forums before buying it. There's also various websites that allow you to check for your computer's compatibility with video games, so using one of those might have saved you time, too.

All the same, this part is actually Steam's fault.

And yeah, I got TF2 again, but I forgot all my items, which are now lost. Including several very rare ones.
Check your login. If you're using the new login, of course it won't remember the data from your old login. I'm fairly certain that the data is not lost or gone, you're just using the wrong login. Since you decided to make two logins instead of just fixing the problems on your old login, you'll have to switch back and forth between the accounts.

So, I am out:

-$9.99 for Deus Ex.
This much is true. The rest though?

-$9.99 for Half-Life.
No, you still own this game, it's just on your old login. If you lost access to it somehow when you created your new account, that's your fault, not Steam's.

-1 copy of half-Life plus save data.
You said this already, and as mentioned earlier, the save data could easily have been copied if you had taken the time to look up where it is stored. But you didn't.

When I moved my games to this new computer, I brought pretty much all my save files with me and had no trouble getting them working. So yeah, the lost save data is pretty much entirely on you.

-$20.00 worth of TF2 items.
Again, did you make sure you're logged into your old account when checking for your items? I'm pretty sure they're still there.

Now, I also can't contact Steam. Awesome.
Yes you can? They have an entire help service for stuff like this. Just don't expect them to be able to merge your accounts together or anything like that, because they usually don't do that sort of thing.

You really should have taken the time to fix your original account first, you probably would have avoided most of these issues. I don't want to sound insensitive or to sound like I haven't had issues with games before (I was a victim of a Steam sale on Heroes 6, but that was an Ubisoft screw-up and not a Valve/Steam one), but a lot of the stuff you're complaining about could have been avoided or solved pretty easily if you'd put in the effort to do so. I'll join in with you in complaining about things that are actually the game dev's fault (like them selling a game that isn't working), but stuff like save data? That's on you.
I was talking about people personally attacking the OP, or swearing at him for his comments... things of the nature. Not people who make well-reasoned arguments such as yourself. Other people, myself included,chave already stated the OP is the one at fault in the situation.
 

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I find it funny that not liking Steam or Valve on this site is a mortal sin and you should be burned at the stake. It really quite ridiculous. I absolutely despise Valve for the way they've been about HL3, trolling their fans, and Steam's customer support has to be the most unhelpful and condescending thing I've ever used.
 

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So... what's the problem?

Why can't you just log in to your original account? Did you forget the password?

If so, THAT'S what you should email Valve about.

Also, you didn't back up your games using the in-Steam function, you've made a new account and can't figure out why none of your stuff is there, etc etc... the error is between the chair and the keyboard.
 

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MasochisticAvenger said:
CriticKitten said:
MasochisticAvenger said:
Honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been a mass amount of comments blasting the OP for speaking negatively about Valve. I mean, aside from the Original Poster himself, the comments have been rather mature.
Sorry to disappoint but I guess I'll have to be the first "immature" guy to point out that this whole thing is more on the OP's shoulders than on Steam's.

And the entire problem starts at...
I was talking about people personally attacking the OP, or swearing at him for his comments... things of the nature. Not people who make well-reasoned arguments such as yourself. Other people, myself included,chave already stated the OP is the one at fault in the situation.
Ok ill try fill out a niche lower on the maturity spectrum.

Setting up a new Steam account-
Having to set up a new Steam account due to a defunct email on an existing account is a silly thing to do. Its not a long or hard process to change the email of an existing account, just go into your settings and under the 'account' tab theres a big friendly button marked "CHANGE CONTACT EMAIL ADRESS" in actual full caps.

Deus Ex's mysterious dissapearance-
I cant say ive ever heard of an instance where a game you bought on Steam could not be accessed through the Steam browser, in your games library. And in the event this would happen i would assume the browser is just taking its ever-loving time to update, which could be fixed with either patience or better yet restarting Steam.

If the game did not appear in your C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common then i simply do not know what to think of that, as ive never heard of it happening before.

Going through the emergency checklist-
Again i see you did not at any point so far actually restart Steam. Thats usually a good thing to have at the forefront of the emergency list, followed by asking a friend to check the account to see if theyve recieved an update concerning your purchase. Remember, Steam is a social platform too.

Uninstalling/Reinstalling Steam-
Arguably thats one of the dimmer things you could have done, ive never seen an instance of Steam needing to be reinstalled outside of a botched manual installation.

And your save files were perfectly accessible through your files browser and the Steam browser can and will back up your save files to a folder of your choice. Steam will also save your files to a cloud server with certain games that are marked as such. Team Fortress 2 is one such example.

Deus Ex being unplayable-
A 12 year old game unplayable on a modern PC? Surely not!

Seriously though, i can count on one hand the number of PC games from that era that will work on my laptop from last year without modification to the game or activating the backwards compatibility of Windows 7. This is keeping in mind that Deus Ex was not a very stable game when it launched.

And otherwise you should have gone to Good Old Games, i reckon a site that can get the original Fallout working on a modern PC can get Deus Ex into working order. And dont pretend youve never heard of it, its brought up almost too frequently by the anti-Steam crowd and frequently enough by everyone else.

And a suppose it never crossed your mind to take a quick trip to the Steampowered forums to see if there was a solution to the issue, the forums of which can be accessed through the library tab (under the links header on the right) and goes directly to the discussion and support forums for that game.

Your TF2 items gone missing-
I cant think of any reason why Steam can be held accountable for this, cloud saves for TF2 are on by default and cannot be turned off, so one of the following happened;

-Youre logged into the wrong Steam account. Obviously your TF2 profile is bound to your Steam profile, not by what system youre playing on.

-Hackers got into your old Steam account while you were mucking about with the new one. Not unheard of at all, a friend of mine was hacked for his TF2 items overnight, and yes this included his collection of unusual hats.

Your losses-
Im willing to bet money that you still own both Half-Life and Deus Ex, except you havent got a link to either of your Steam accounts anywhere so i cannot go and confirm that personally.

And if you lost your Half-Life save file, this is neither a great loss or Steams fault. If you did not back up the save file when you uninstalled Steam then you effectively deleted the save file yourself.

And again, check your old Steam accounts inventory, if the TF2 items dont appear then hackers may have swiped them under your radar.

Being unable to contact Steam support-
This is the one thing im calling outright bullshit on, unless youre doing it at midnight by telephone in your region i cant even begin to Wild Mass Guess a reason to think why theyre ignoring you, unless you were offensive in your previous communication with them in which case they may decide to consider you a lower priority case.