I don't need to try to make what I've said seem like factual information, it simply is to anyone with any standards whatsoever. People can admit that or they can refuse to, it doesn't change what I said from being the truth either way.Dalrien said:
Video Game Voice Actors May Go On Strike
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Whatever, I honestly can't bring myself to care.
Unions devastate anything they touch so it'll hurt professional voice acting, but on the flip of that it'll force developers who can't afford union scale wages for voice actors to go and recruit other talent...and that'll help with a lot of games these days. Maybe they'll decide to use twenty staff members for the next Elder Scrolls game instead of three unionized voice actors (down from the seven they were using before).
Unions devastate anything they touch so it'll hurt professional voice acting, but on the flip of that it'll force developers who can't afford union scale wages for voice actors to go and recruit other talent...and that'll help with a lot of games these days. Maybe they'll decide to use twenty staff members for the next Elder Scrolls game instead of three unionized voice actors (down from the seven they were using before).
I don't need to back it up, any more than I would need to back up the statement "sticking your hand in a fire will burn you" by sticking the hand of the one I'm talking to into a fire to prove it. I don't need to PROVE anything that is completely and utterly obvious to anyone with functioning senses, I should be able to just state it and people that read it should think something like "oh, okay" and MOVE ON.Dalrien said:
You people took one not even full sentence about everything I said and decided to reduce it down to ridiculousness while ignoring anything and everything else just to provoke me. I don't care if you or anyone else either are too ignorant to recognize an obvious truth when it's said or just don't want to admit that what I said is in fact true despite already knowing it is. People will agree with me or they won't, an obvious truth is still an obvious truth REGARDLESS of the willingness of anyone to agree with it.
I have given Japanese voice acting MORE than enough chances to provide actual worth, and I am through with doing that. There was a time when I'd watch a Japanese version of something with english subtitles and then an English version of something I liked enough if it existed back to back, and EVERY single time Japanese voice acting was inferior, often by an absolute ridiculous margin. Dragonball, Dragonball Z, GT, Inuyasha, Most every Gundam series, Multiple video games based on these animes, Tales of Phantasia, and that's just off the top of my head of the Japanese to English series I've done this. If that's not enough proof for any rational person I don't know what is.
*shrugs*
It's a lesser evil trying to shake down a greater evil.
On one hand, the operating structure for publishers is already quite one-sided. CEOs make millions for doing fuck-all on any given project.
On the other, any union that wants this:
Compulsory membership and (doubtless) required dues?
Call me crazy, but that isn't terribly far removed from a protection racket.
It's a lesser evil trying to shake down a greater evil.
On one hand, the operating structure for publishers is already quite one-sided. CEOs make millions for doing fuck-all on any given project.
On the other, any union that wants this:
Can fuck right off.
Compulsory membership and (doubtless) required dues?
Call me crazy, but that isn't terribly far removed from a protection racket.
Your opinion is only worth as much as others deem it to be, buddy and you've only provided your opinion on the matter without anything but that to back it up other than "I've seen things, stuff", hence people who disagree because "opinion" have as much right to say you're wrong as you have to say you're "right".immortalfrieza said:
Good luck with life.
You know, I think the problem here is that you're just watching shitty anime. Saying the voice acting for DBGT and Inuyasha is shit doesn't mean much when the entire anime is shit. Try comparing the godawful english dub of Mirai Nikki to the original japanese, or watch Panty & Stocking, just to name two examples of great nipponese VA work. Just because the popular, syndicated crap being marketed to 12-14 year olds is garbage doesn't magically invalidate everything else.immortalfrieza said:
Congrats, by the way, for getting me to log in for the first time in 3-odd years thanks to your shortsightedness.
There are some massive problems undermining everything they're demanding:
1) Voice acting isn't even necessary for most games and is largely an added novelty.
2) Amateur voice acting is completely fine in most cases.
I'm playing Freedom Planet right now. I have a very strong suspicion the voice acting was done by various people online from their homes (based on the weird variety of sound quality). But to be honest, it's completely fine. Anything better would likely be a waste of money. Ok, so I can understand that for big cinematic experiences like MGS you maybe want something more hi-tech, but that's only a tiny number of the total games out there.
To sum up. They're massively overgenralizing and overestimating their worth to the industry and I know it sounds harsh but should frankly just be glad to getting this work that doesn't actually need to exist for the most part. We could halve the number of games with voice acting tomorrow and the industry would barely care.
1) Voice acting isn't even necessary for most games and is largely an added novelty.
2) Amateur voice acting is completely fine in most cases.
I'm playing Freedom Planet right now. I have a very strong suspicion the voice acting was done by various people online from their homes (based on the weird variety of sound quality). But to be honest, it's completely fine. Anything better would likely be a waste of money. Ok, so I can understand that for big cinematic experiences like MGS you maybe want something more hi-tech, but that's only a tiny number of the total games out there.
To sum up. They're massively overgenralizing and overestimating their worth to the industry and I know it sounds harsh but should frankly just be glad to getting this work that doesn't actually need to exist for the most part. We could halve the number of games with voice acting tomorrow and the industry would barely care.
did everyone hear that the video game voice actor's Guild Authorized the strike? meaning it's closer to happening... if games do go without voice work for a time, i intend not to buy any newly made games til the strike is over.. i'll just buy older already released games instead.. and if enough gamers refuse to buy games and make it clear it's because we want voice acting in them, maybe the industry will give in and give the voice actors what they deserve.. i hope they resolve this before it happens but it's looking less and less like they will before it's too late.